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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2014.12.24 02:43:00 -
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I feel as if Commandos are the least useful and most gimmicky suit in the game. No competitive value against good players and a place that people that ran out of things to skill in go to burn their ISK. They have low HP, no EWAR despite their namesake and no speed despite their name sake. They are about as useful as a Militia Minmatar Scout with a breach Flaylock Pistol and no modules.
Am I wrong?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.24 02:47:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel as if Commandos are the least useful and most gimmicky suit in the game. No competitive value against good players and a place that people that ran out of things to skill in go to burn their ISK. They have low HP, no EWAR despite their namesake and no speed despite their name sake. They are about as useful as a Militia Minmatar Scout with a breach Flaylock Pistol and no modules.
Am I wrong?
The problem is that they are heavy suits with heavy hit boxes but with the HP of Scouts.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:00:00 -
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The Minmando is great. It's a very useful competitive suit; you provide powerful av whilst also dishing out crazy damage with a rifle. In this sence, the Minmando has advantages over forgers.
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:02:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:The Minmando is great. It's a very useful competitive suit; you provide powerful av whilst also dishing out crazy damage with a rifle. In this sence, the Minmando has advantages over forgers.
Commandos in general.
We all know the minmando is a great suit, but what about the others?
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:03:00 -
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They are great suits if you like half-arsed, borderline role-less dropsuits.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
1016
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:05:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:The Minmando is great. It's a very useful competitive suit; you provide powerful av whilst also dishing out crazy damage with a rifle. In this sence, the Minmando has advantages over forgers. Commandos in general. We all know the minmando is a great suit, but what about the others?
Oh yeah, the others suck.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
6584
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:06:00 -
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Min and Cal good.
Amarr and gal are meh, not because suit is bad or bad bonuses. It's just both races do not have weapons to complement the suit
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:07:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Min and Cal good.
Amarr and gal are meh, not because suit is bad or bad bonuses. It's just both races do not have weapons to complement the suit
As in?
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel as if Commandos are the least useful and most gimmicky suit in the game. No competitive value against good players and a place that people that ran out of things to skill in go to burn their ISK. They have low HP, no EWAR despite their namesake and no speed despite their name sake. They are about as useful as a Militia Minmatar Scout with a breach Flaylock Pistol and no modules.
Am I wrong?
Respectuflly, yes you are wrong. After the aurum respecs were made available I respecced into the Minmatar Commando and love it. I have two fits - CR/Swarm and CR/MD. High ground or LAV make this a deadly combo, able to stand my ground against all comers one on one, and often 2 or 3 on 1.
To be honest as with any suit, it's really about playing to your skill set and playing to the advantages of the suit. My suit has about 1000 HP so it sits perfectly between Sentinel and Assault suits. With an LAV, I can hunt down any HAV on the field, and stand a 50% shot at killing it before it gets away - great pilots do better, poor pilots do worse.
When I use the MD fit, I find I can dictate the engagements just fine - open fields are the challenge, but I am used to shield tanking which requires cover near by. If you stick to areas where there is cover, you can do great even against multiple hostiles. Pop your head out to take them down with the CR, if they push you back, use the MD's AOE to keep them back as your shields/armor come back up - you'll even net some kills.
In the open field it's a little harder, but as long as you are paying attention you can use the CR to control the range - at further distances you don't have to move a lot to successfully strafe - high strafe speed is needed in CQC, not mid range fights. Also, the MD shines here as well, making the reds dance to avoid the AOE.
I can't speak for the other Commando suits - I'm a Minmatar boy at heart - always will be. I will eventually get into the other suits but for now I'm happy with this one.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:14:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel as if Commandos are the least useful and most gimmicky suit in the game. No competitive value against good players and a place that people that ran out of things to skill in go to burn their ISK. They have low HP, no EWAR despite their namesake and no speed despite their name sake. They are about as useful as a Militia Minmatar Scout with a breach Flaylock Pistol and no modules.
Am I wrong? The problem is that they are heavy suits with heavy hit boxes but with the HP of Scouts.
Wrong.
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1436
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:25:00 -
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All of them are good except the Amarr Commando. I mean, who would take more damage over longer shooting; a gimmick that the Laser Rifle uses. Longer shooting on AScR and ScR is just nicer than more damage. Plus You can stack 3 damage mods to make up for damage.
Compared to other roles, they are weak due to the slots and hp. Or maybe it's kind of like the scout where it gets better at level 4 where it could actually use the cloak.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:31:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Min and Cal good.
Amarr and gal are meh, not because suit is bad or bad bonuses. It's just both races do not have weapons to complement the suit
Amarr is bad because the laser is still in CCP's nerf jail for what it did nearly a year ago...
With the SCR? and a logi at it's back? It's deadly Walk into groups of people and mow them down tanking them long enough to kill them.. Just needs that crazy long range laser and it will be a very effective niche suit.
The Gallente.... How can you explain the problems around the PLC and suit combo. the day they went over the concept of this suit was obviously a Tuesday morning after a long weekend of binge drinking.
"Hey guys I know!!!!! A Slow armored up Heavy Gallente suit with a one shot shield damage based weapon. I't makes perrrrrfect sense."
But it's fun as helll.. So i reserve that they where stoned.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:39:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Stuff about how gud Minmando is
Yes, we know, the minmando is very great.
Why?
-Powerful Light weapons
-Mass Driver-AOE
-Combat Rifle-Generally great weapon
-Swarm Launcher-WTF BOOM vehicles
-Mobility (other commandos=crap mobility)
Mobile platform and very versatile in weapon choice, this Commando is very good for general use.
Other Commandos
Amarr:
-Good light weapons (alpha/ suppresion weapons)
-Scrambler Rifle
-Regular-Good mid ranged weapon
-Assault-OK in close range, but mostly outperformed
-Laser Rifle-Strictly ranged weapon, but shines in range
In general, this guys role SHOULD be 1v1 situation specialist or mid-ranged suppression/ slaying. Not as good in close range as it is in mid-range.
Gallente:
-Good light weapons (all around versatility)
-Assault rifle+variants
-Versatile light weapon with variants to choose from. Good in its range
-Shotgun-Not so good on a heavy, but good for holding a doorway/room
-Plasma Cannon-Good AV choice, but only in CQC range unless you have 1337 skillz
-Also good against heavies/standstill targets
Typically, this guys role SHOULD be CQC master and struggles in far mid to long range. AV capabilities and possible high alpha weapons make it good if anything comes too close.
Caldari:
-Good light weapons (only in range)
-Rail Rifle
-Regular-OK ranged weapon mostly good for suppression/ open field combat
-Assault-OK in close range, better in mid range
-Sniper Rifle-Good in long range and for pinging people from afar
This commando is the long range specialist. High ground is your friend, and if caught in CQC situations, most of the time the battle will be lost.
Why is the Minmando superior?
-Best mobility
-Good regen for HP
-Rediculously great weapon versatility
-Can be used as a Super Slayer with CR+MD or a master of AV+AI at the same time with SL+CR
Self sustainability is where the Minmando is great. It's how the Commandos are supposed to be.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:42:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:All of them are good except the Amarr Commando. I mean, who would take more damage over longer shooting; a gimmick that the Laser Rifle uses. Longer shooting on AScR and ScR is just nicer than more damage. Plus You can stack 3 damage mods to make up for damage.
I think you're talking about the Amarr Assault heat buildup skill...
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:49:00 -
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But, the CalMando is Dead. :/
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:50:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Zindorak wrote:All of them are good except the Amarr Commando. I mean, who would take more damage over longer shooting; a gimmick that the Laser Rifle uses. Longer shooting on AScR and ScR is just nicer than more damage. Plus You can stack 3 damage mods to make up for damage. I think you're talking about the Amarr Assault heat buildup skill...
Yea i was mentioning that the Amarr Mando is inferior to it's assault counterpart
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:51:00 -
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#nocorenadespamsocommandosrbad
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:51:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Zindorak wrote:All of them are good except the Amarr Commando. I mean, who would take more damage over longer shooting; a gimmick that the Laser Rifle uses. Longer shooting on AScR and ScR is just nicer than more damage. Plus You can stack 3 damage mods to make up for damage. I think you're talking about the Amarr Assault heat buildup skill... Yea i was mentioning that the Amarr Mando is inferior to it's assault counterpart
Oh...
Well in that case carry on.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.24 04:13:00 -
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There more situational then anything else and that's prob what the real problem is .
I guess you could say that about logistics as well .
Like people say the Min is great , had it maxed ... along with MD's , Swarms and CR's of course .
Great suit .
Amarr is good , one could do a lot with the slots ... much like the Gal but there weapons like someone mentioned earlier , leaves them to be situational . Had Plasma Rifles maxed before along with LR and Scramblers which are all assault rifles . You could use swarms or sniper rifles along with Plasma Cannons but again , these weapons are situational and more for assaulting and with there slow speed , large hit boxes and mediocre stamina ... leaves them wanting . Can't take advantage of any e-war with any of the Commando's . I use to triple complex damp my Amarr Commando to snipe with and I think the lowest I could get is somewhere around 24 .
Can't really remember .
Caldari is like Min where it is adaptable with it's damage output but having only one low doesn't give it much room for it to play outside the box of being the damage administrator that it is by having the most highs . E-war on that would be useless .
What they need is a mixture of things to me , a grenade slot would be useful .
Might not like the idea but it would help but if not that then maybe two eq slots , could give them some flex ability but they could use greater stamina and stamina rep and lower signature's or just better e-war stats as far as seeing and not being seen but then how could one justify there hit boxes or how that would effect Assaults .
It's kind of a hard suit to help stand out without nerfing or buffing another class in some way .
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2014.12.24 04:24:00 -
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I like my Commando Gk.0. I pull it out when my team really needs some extra fire power assistance. |
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.12.24 04:40:00 -
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The only time I like the Commando is when I don't know what role will be needed. I can run a RR for long range and a CR for closer, or have swarms and still run a CR but mostly I use it with my MD.
Because, that's why.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.24 04:43:00 -
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They don't need much, just the slot layout of their scout counterparts.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.12.24 05:29:00 -
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minmatar is nice for obvious reasons.
gallente isnt bad either, you can play it as an assault with bigger hitbox (dual rep with kincat, tripple rep, or single rep with double kincats). the shotgun plus damage bonus destroys everything if you fight at objectives and chokes. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.24 06:20:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:They don't need much, just the slot layout of their scout counterparts.
They definitely don't need more slots.
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.24 06:59:00 -
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I have 3 out of 4 commandos and I can tell you without a doubt they suck. I can do more with an assault and die less. Having the same body and hit box of a heavy is asinine. The commando needs major rework. They are fun for a week then they get old. I thought it was one type, no it is all of them. Some like the Mimando but I do not even feel like trying to skill into it. I went mim assault and it is by far the best assault suit.
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.12.24 07:15:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:-Plasma Cannon-Good AV choice, but only in CQC range unless you have 1337 skillz
Mhmm. I love my Galmando with AR/PLC combo.
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:20:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:LUGMOS wrote:-Plasma Cannon-Good AV choice, but only in CQC range unless you have 1337 skillz Mhmm. I love my Galmando with AR/PLC combo. EDIT: Unfortunately, as I found out recently, it doesn't do AV as well as the Gal Assault, since the Assault can carry AV nades and stack kincats.
one of the biggest misconceptions in this game is the one that says commandos are AV gods. The average difference in damage between a commando and assault runs about 40-60 points of damage. Not enough to make any difference in Time to Kill because shots to kill is identical.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:52:00 -
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In the case of the amarr and the gallente, their respective assaults do about 1-2% more dmg if triple-stacking damage mods, this is *before* the performance buffs that the assaults get.
That said it *is* nice to carry an av weapon alongside a rifle and there's a lot of utility to be found there, but ccp screwed up hard with the ewar nerf.
Honestly I'd like to see commandos lose some base stats and get 2-3 more slots, simply because with so few slots you operate largely on what your suit has for base stats. Also swarm 'bonus' on min needs to go, that **** is really throwing av out of whack (hurr 25% extra damage on swarms before proficiency!). Gallente can keep plc bonus though.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:59:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I like my Commando Gk.0. I pull it out when my team really needs some extra fire power assistance.
keyword: assistance. Having some area effect splash weapons raining down on reds in a firefight is very useful. Otherwise, extra fire power would always be useful
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:44:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel as if Commandos are the least useful and most gimmicky suit in the game. No competitive value against good players and a place that people that ran out of things to skill in go to burn their ISK. They have low HP, no EWAR despite their namesake and no speed despite their name sake. They are about as useful as a Militia Minmatar Scout with a breach Flaylock Pistol and no modules.
Am I wrong?
Well, i was running yesterday with the Calmando them last few matches.
I did ''Ok'' (like 15-3).
But still lacking as i was usually the proto one.
Using a Proto Anything else (except logi) wouls grant me at least 25 kills against randoms.
I say, Give This to commandos:
+0.4 SPeed
+0.5 Movement speed
+1 Slot (Cal +1 Low, All the rest 1 High)
AND:
CAl : Shield recharge rate changed to 30Per sec
Min:Increased stamina Regen +15 and base stamina by 30
GAl: +2 Armor rep per sec
Amarr:+50 Armor
LOL im out before the burns...
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.24 15:00:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:The only time I like the Commando is when I don't know what role will be needed. I can run a RR for long range and a CR for closer, or have swarms and still run a CR but mostly I use it with my MD.
....so...When there is Nothing Certain?...
Badum psst!
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Dauth Jenkins
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:20:00 -
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as a vehicle user, i hate all commandos. from the air its tough to tell wether its a heavy with a light weapon, a sentinel, or a commando. Also, they work quite well as area supression suits. fit a mass driver along with another weapon. and it becomes quite a suit. same with the laser rifle. i feel that the commando suit works beat with specialty weapons, but it can also be used to take advantage of damage profiles.
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Kaughst
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
804
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:32:00 -
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The commando has always been there because heavy users wanted a way to run around with a heavy suit and a rifle and feel viable. Funny enough it's not that running around in a heavy suit with a rifle is not viable it's whether or not having a crap load of HP and a rifle is unbalanced. To that end a commando is not what anyone asked for but it's niche and like the MD it doesn't need to be touched very much, play the suit on it's strengths there enough upsides as it is.
Don't think about that, think about all the money.
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Kierkegaard Soren
THE HANDS OF DEATH
RUST415
605
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Posted - 2014.12.24 22:48:00 -
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I Galmando almost exclusively these days, just for the Plc and AR mix is lethal. But the suit itself, along with the other three types, just don't work very well. Too big, too slow, not enough slots to fulfill whatever role it was designed to do.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
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Posted - 2014.12.24 22:51:00 -
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they suck for solo but are kinda ok if your squad runs together...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1441
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Posted - 2014.12.24 22:54:00 -
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I have fun in my Amarr Commando. All it needs is just a tiny amount more speed and jump height. |
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Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.12.24 23:08:00 -
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Kierkegaard Soren wrote:I Galmando almost exclusively these days, just for the Plc and AR mix is lethal. But the suit itself, along with the other three types, just don't work very well. Too big, too slow, not enough slots to fulfill whatever role it was designed to do.
Well, My Calmando works DECENTLY as a Tower camper.
The Power the Kaalakiota RR + 2cx damage mods + prof 5 PAcks is Amazing. Able to down sentinels quite fast at longer ranges. The swarm I have as ''side arm'' keeps those pesky ADS away from me....But apart from the SWARM LAUNCHER...i really prefer sacrificing damage for regen (My cal assault with 2 cx Shield Energizers and 2 cx Shield regulators)
Its not just about damage ...its about survivability
The commando is almost as slow as a Sentinel but do not have near as much survivability (EHP difference + Resistances).
The commando has Assault level EHP without having their speed.
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
616
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Posted - 2014.12.25 02:53:00 -
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Assaults just have better stats than commandos and they can achieve their bonuses quite easy.
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