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al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 217	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:35:00 - [1] - Quote Currently it sucks. I had an overhaul of my fittings yesterday and realised I still had a stash of commando suits gathering dust in some long forgotten locker.. On attempting to create something that might challenge my Scouts and Assaults I ended up laughing at just how shash the Commando is these days. So how to improve it and make it worth using again? GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2642	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:37:00 - [2] - Quote best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 653	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:44:00 - [3] - Quote Change the suit to a light suit with sidearm weapons akimbo and take the tank away from scouts and give it to the Commando. Boycott Black Thursday!
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 217	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:46:00 - [4] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Bam Nutshot Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 48	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:49:00 - [5] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * Hell No. For the State!
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 217	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:54:00 - [6] - Quote Bam Nutshot wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * Hell No. Okay! Give it something else then... How about a bunch of equipment slots...? GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
ROMULUS H3X research lab 266	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:09:00 - [7] - Quote Bam Nutshot wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * Hell No. HELL YES, we should also have the sidearm reload speed bonus put back on the commando as well... because Commando = weapon expert, not just light weapons. They took away this bonus EVEN though it was slated to stay according to the patch notes of 1.8**? or 1.7? i dont remember but it was one of those when they removed the sidearm bonus on my commando and it was a sad saaaaaad day :( FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4830	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:11:00 - [8] - Quote Make is a light frame with grenades (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
ROMULUS H3X research lab 266	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:11:00 - [9] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * Hell No. Okay! Give it something else then... How about a bunch of equipment slots...? Commando's need more speed/ or an extra high or low slot. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2645	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:12:00 - [10] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR sounds good - but do you ever use it? The Commando is a lumbering misfit - terrible speed, less armour than assault. plus improved sidearms make the second light slot almost superfluous. The idea of a commando is pretty nice - but it has to be upgraded I reckon. Give the Commando an extra weapon. Allow a sidearm as well as the 2 light weapons. Bang, back in contention! * edit - or maybe give it a light weapon and 2 sidearms * terrible speed? 8m/s is terrible speed? and yes the minmando is god so i use it all the damn time Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost

Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1179	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:17:00 - [11] - Quote The commando could use alot of things but some extra cpu/pg, an extra high or low depending on race and a grenade slot would make me happy. The only winner of WWIII will be the cockroaches.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 218	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:19:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: terrible speed? 8m/s is terrible speed? and yes the minmando is god so i use it all the damn time Fair point. I suppose I am moaning about the galcom - and yes minwhatever outruns everything.. commandos still feel like waddling dodo's to me! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:04:00 - [13] - Quote The problem is everyone thinks they should be able to run and gun like an assault with two weapons. It's not meant for that. If you're a cod scrub, I don't recommend the commando. Where they shine is used as a support suit as it was intended. Perched on a building or ledge with swarm launchers, mass driver or something similar. Use it correctly and you'll love it. I had several games last night alone where I went in the neighborhood of 25/2 with my minmando/ MD fitting Robin Williams endorses this corp
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 346	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:13:00 - [14] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: The problem is everyone thinks they should be able to run and gun like an assault with two weapons. It's not meant for that. If you're a cod scrub, I don't recommend the commando. Where they shine is used as a support suit as it was intended. Perched on a building or ledge with swarm launchers, mass driver or something similar. Use it correctly and you'll love it. I had several games last night alone where I went in the neighborhood of 25/2 with my minmando/ MD fitting Min Mando is by far the best commando out there. Next up would be a tie between cal/gal commando. The Amarr commando is a joke. Commandos should be a semi bridge between logies and assaults. Give them 2 equipment slots and proto (don't increase bandwith) and a tweak or two to the base stats (mainly shield regeneration on the Amarr) and commandos should be good to go. One of the downers for commandos tho is there 2 light weapons slots making them reliant on weapons balanceing. On that note. Cal commando would be up there with the min commando if the charge up time for the RR wasn't so long. I do not know love, only ( -í° -£-û -í°). Closed Beta Vet
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 218	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:13:00 - [15] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: The problem is everyone thinks they should be able to run and gun like an assault with two weapons. It's not meant for that. If you're a cod scrub, I don't recommend the commando. Where they shine is used as a support suit as it was intended. Perched on a building or ledge with swarm launchers, mass driver or something similar. Use it correctly and you'll love it. I had several games last night alone where I went in the neighborhood of 25/2 with my minmando/ MD fitting Hello Robin, loved you your whole career! I hear what you're saying - and please please I've never played COD and never want to. My moan about the commando is maybe coloured by me going gallente and having fantastic assaults and scouts to chose from. I get the role - but it's coming in way under par. Interesting to see the two posters backing the commando in it's current form are both using minmatar. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14599	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:16:00 - [16] - Quote Give it more slots than a Starter Fit. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6431	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:17:00 - [17] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Currently it sucks. I had an overhaul of my fittings yesterday and realised I still had a stash of commando suits gathering dust in some long forgotten locker.. On attempting to create something that might challenge my Scouts and Assaults I ended up laughing at just how shash the Commando is these days. So how to improve it and make it worth using again? Increase Speed and movement speed to actual Logi level (and increase Logi speed to -0.15 compared to assaults) Give them one extra slot = AM +1High , Gal +Cal+Min +1Low Reduce their Scan Precision/Profile by -5 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 679	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:18:00 - [18] - Quote Either smaller hit box, which would make it a "heavy medium frame" Or more hp or speed (it's too slow for such little hp, my assault out shines it in very way but that second light weapon) Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:23:00 - [19] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: The problem is everyone thinks they should be able to run and gun like an assault with two weapons. It's not meant for that. If you're a cod scrub, I don't recommend the commando. Where they shine is used as a support suit as it was intended. Perched on a building or ledge with swarm launchers, mass driver or something similar. Use it correctly and you'll love it. I had several games last night alone where I went in the neighborhood of 25/2 with my minmando/ MD fitting Hello Robin, loved you your whole career! I hear what you're saying - and please please I've never played COD and never want to. My moan about the commando is maybe coloured by me going gallente and having fantastic assaults and scouts to chose from. I get the role - but it's coming in way under par. Interesting to see the two posters backing the commando in it's current form are both using minmatar. I think it's because the minmando has bonuses to the best weapons for the role. Swarms and Md, throw in a combat rifle and the thing is a beast. I think all races should get the swarm bonus personally. Not the md though. Robin Williams endorses this corp
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1547	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote We bring Galmando's AR+PLC/SG to PC matches, denying the power of that suit is foolish If I want AV, I'll try use a Cal/Min.. If I'm leaving someone outside covering range, the Amarr is there With objectives being fought for in CQ that leaves the Amarr lacking some uses.. But at the same time it's the toughest commando so has that advantage Commando's seem like decent options, especially when used by dedicated mercs

Regnier Feros G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:29:00 - [21] - Quote Give the commando a passive squad bonus, when the commando is in a squad his/her squadmates receives a bonus to reload speed, & damage based on the weapon damage type. I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:30:00 - [22] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Give the commando a passive squad bonus, when the commando is in a squad his/her squadmates receives a bonus to reload speed, & damage based on the weapon damage type. Lolno Robin Williams endorses this corp
Jathniel G I A N T 1331	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:31:00 - [23] - Quote Commandos suck? Have most of you even used one? That damage bonus they get is no joke. A Galmando will absolutely rip your face off with a damage modded proto Breach or TAR. A Calmando with a sniper rifle, or the current ARR is sick. A Minmando shooting snowballs and opening mad suppression with a Six Kin? Commandos are niche suits. Just like Sentinels. Except their niche is dual-versatility. A Calmando running a RR and a Swarm Launcher, can adequately protect a group of assaults running across a field from enemy vehicles, and long range threats. Then you have Forks when he was running a Calmando as a true Overwatch sniper. That was a very specific niche. What I'm saying is, you don't want Commandos being spammed like Assaults. You don't need them to. They are for players that have very specific niches, or roles of execution in mind. If anything, buff their damage bonus. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:33:00 - [24] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Give the commando a passive squad bonus, when the commando is in a squad his/her squadmates receives a bonus to reload speed, & damage based on the weapon damage type. Let's create a scenario. ,1 minmando, 5 min assaults. Now every assault using cr would have not only a larger clip size but 15 percent increased damage and reload speed. Robin Williams endorses this corp
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:36:00 - [25] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Commandos suck? Have most of you even used one? That damage bonus they get is no joke. A Galmando will absolutely rip your face off with a damage modded proto Breach or TAR. A Calmando with a sniper rifle, or the current ARR is sick. A Minmando shooting snowballs and opening mad suppression with a Six Kin? Commandos are niche suits. Just like Sentinels. Except their niche is dual-versatility. A Calmando running a RR and a Swarm Launcher, can adequately protect a group of assaults running across a field from enemy vehicles, and long range threats. Then you have Forks when he was running a Calmando as a true Overwatch sniper. That was a very specific niche. What I'm saying is, you don't want Commandos being spammed like Assaults. You don't need them to. They are for players that have very specific niches, or roles of execution in mind. If anything, buff their damage bonus. It wouldn't fly in a pc, but in a pub you can have some great lols with a commando spam. We've done it and had a blast. Robin Williams endorses this corp
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9154	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:06:00 - [26] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: best setups anything minmatar gal with breach AR and ACR amaar with scramber ACR Wrong. Minmatar Commando Combat Rifle \| Mass Driver Kill Everyone. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 620	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:12:00 - [27] - Quote i love my caldari commando. i stack rechargers and regulators on it, and have my rail riflle and mass driver on it. its an amazing ranged suppression suit, especially on the new maps where you can get a hight advantage. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1086	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:29:00 - [28] - Quote I do like the commando but I also think it's a little UP. I think they need more fitting capacity first and then possibly one more slot according to racial preference. Min commando
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1588	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:38:00 - [29] - Quote Ummmm.... I would have to disagree. I love my Minmando. All of them. The reload speed bonus on a maxed out reload speed weapon is comically fast. I can run CR/Swarms. Hey look AV that doesn't leave me helpless to slayers. Plasma Cannon/Mass Driver. Oh look they're in a hole. Also Mass Driver/ Mass Driver because screw clip size. CR/Mass Driver because people think they're safe behind cover. CR/CR because I'm ******* mental Hero of the Amarrinese. Wheeee!
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair Learning Alliance 292	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:50:00 - [30] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: I do like the commando but I also think it's a little UP. I think they need more fitting capacity first and then possibly one more slot according to racial preference. Min commando Do you mean more slots or more pg/cpu? Cause I can fit all proto modules on mine with a proto assault md and a bk42 cr with no problem. Robin Williams endorses this corp

Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1086	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:55:00 - [31] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I do like the commando but I also think it's a little UP. I think they need more fitting capacity first and then possibly one more slot according to racial preference. Min commando Do you mean more slots or more pg/cpu? Cause I can fit all proto modules on mine with a proto assault md and a bk42 cr with no problem. Notice how the bk42 isn't proto? What about proto equipment? Assaults have little trouble fitting all pro, I mean really all pro. So yes, I mean more cpu/PG aka fitting capacity. If that doesn't resolve their UPness then I'd add another slot.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 641	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:34:00 - [32] - Quote I always saw the Commando best suited as sort of an assault / AV hybrid, as that's all it can really do that no other suit does well. I think they need a bit more EHP, and I see no reason they shouldn't have a grenade slot. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 96	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:46:00 - [33] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Currently it sucks. I had an overhaul of my fittings yesterday and realised I still had a stash of commando suits gathering dust in some long forgotten locker.. On attempting to create something that might challenge my Scouts and Assaults I ended up laughing at just how shash the Commando is these days. So how to improve it and make it worth using again? I would give it an armor and shield buff. maybe 2 more slots, or just 1 more CPU PG Add 1 more effect This changes because it was the Buffy version of assaults and after assault buff, commandos are just a joke, the slot is because when ccp buffed assaults they add them 2 slots, also more hp, CPU, PG so basically assaults took the comando position and way better that it was, so I would say that adding a new effect that helps commandos with Their weapon usage is a good thing, for example 4% more range per lvl, so they can be like dreadnought but in dust, after all 1 good assault will get him easily and don't talk about scouts... Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 424	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:02:00 - [34] - Quote The commando (minmando) is pretty OK right now. It could use a little more hp (1 more high or low slot) and I'd like to see more ammo on the suit. So please give us a 10-20% more ammo pool skill. This would make it much more flexible, since right now, you pretty much need to bring hives. I would also propose, that at least the Calmandon gets a Swarm Launcher lock on bonus, so that he does the same dps as the minmando.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6490	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:15:00 - [35] - Quote Give Commandos grenade slots. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1319	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:24:00 - [36] - Quote + 1 Slot + PG / CPU
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6717	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:25:00 - [37] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give Commandos grenade slots. This would be a very good start. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 392	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:28:00 - [38] - Quote I play Gallente commando basic with a basic plasma canon and basic beach assault rifle. You're a mission support specialist. Not meant for solo play. You're typically an Extra gun while filling an Extra role as needed. Caldari: tactical suppression unit. Amarr: long range fire team suppression unit. Gallente: Close quarters specialist with the shotgun or added fixed enemy placement removal with the plasma canon. With the Gallente I can say that their commando is my favorite. I typically carry the plasma canon because it's a good counter to heavy spam and scares off most vehicles. I always stay with the squad in my basic suit. I tend to go positive in kdr and isk efficiency. Minmitar: these are much similar to the Gallente suit but you need to specialize in anti infantry or anti vehicle. The Minmitar commando is the best suited to hit drop ships. The trick to the commando is much like the logi. But consider yourself an offensive logi. You're meant for fire support. Stay with your squad, mind your cover, utilize the strength and weaknesses of your weapons and speed. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 392	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:31:00 - [39] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: I play Gallente commando basic with a basic plasma canon and basic beach assault rifle. You're a mission support specialist. Not meant for solo play. You're typically an Extra gun while filling an Extra role as needed. Caldari: tactical suppression unit. Amarr: long range fire team suppression unit. Gallente: Close quarters specialist with the shotgun or added fixed enemy placement removal with the plasma canon. With the Gallente I can say that their commando is my favorite. I typically carry the plasma canon because it's a good counter to heavy spam and scares off most vehicles. I always stay with the squad in my basic suit. I tend to go positive in kdr and isk efficiency. Minmitar: these are much similar to the Gallente suit but you need to specialize in anti infantry or anti vehicle. The Minmitar commando is the best suited to hit drop ships. The trick to the commando is much like the logi. But consider yourself an offensive logi. You're meant for fire support. Stay with your squad, mind your cover, utilize the strength and weaknesses of your weapons and speed. addendum: the only buff commandos need for survivability is with greater speed all around or smaller hit boxes. Their offensive capabilities are just fine. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Tyjus Vacca The United Socialist Liberation Front 303	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:36:00 - [40] - Quote +3% damage for each level for 15% extra damage at level 5. sniper changes !!? O_o



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