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Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 461	Posted - 2014.12.18 07:04:00 - [1] - Quote Hi there! Just a quick message to tell CCP that the new exchange deature we'll have in february will have to be done in a way that prevent scams. Not just a "Send a stuff to the player" button. Look at other MMO, both parts have to agree the trading otherwise it is canceled^^ We've been waiting for this for a long time, don't waste this tool please ^^ Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 149	Posted - 2014.12.18 08:05:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, I really hope they play smart on this one or else chaos will happen! Python pilot Logistics mk.0 Assault mk.0
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 627	Posted - 2014.12.18 08:37:00 - [3] - Quote I think large transactions should be frozen for 1 hour (or longer if the transaction is a very large one), in which time either player can cancel the trade. This will give players time to realize they've been scammed and take it back. Perhaps a security fee could be paid to wave the waiting period. High ranking FW players could also have the perk of waving that fee for free among fellow soldiers Who cares what some sniper has to say
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2014	Posted - 2014.12.18 08:40:00 - [4] - Quote You are trying to prevent something that makes New Eden unique? Besides, with this I would still be scamming. (Yes, I scam, but no my lottery is legit with 2 people who can confirm it.) n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 512 boxes...0 keys
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 318	Posted - 2014.12.18 08:57:00 - [5] - Quote A broker like system as in EVE please. Proud member of Glitched Connection "Only idiots start a fight they can't win" - Sora (No Game No Life)
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 463	Posted - 2014.12.18 09:06:00 - [6] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: I think large transactions should be frozen for 1 hour (or longer if the transaction is a very large one), in which time either player can cancel the trade. This will give players time to realize they've been scammed and take it back. Perhaps a security fee could be paid to wave the waiting period. High ranking FW players could also have the perk of waving that fee for free among fellow soldiers We don't need this if both sides can see what the other is giving an then comfirm the transaction ^^ This is how it works in every single MMO, and it works great! sir RAVEN WING wrote: You are trying to prevent something that makes New Eden unique? Safe trade is so basic that CCP could actually forget to do it.. It could make it absolutely useless if it's not safe. You could still scam noobs as you wish ^^ Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
brett morris518 is well hung 45	Posted - 2014.12.18 09:42:00 - [7] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: You are trying to prevent something that makes New Eden unique? Besides, with this I would still be scamming. (Yes, I scam, but no my lottery is legit with 2 people who can confirm it.) I got a exile AR with ur name on it
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 474	Posted - 2014.12.18 10:26:00 - [8] - Quote So you'd deny all the innocent scam artists their right to exercise their freedom?. You disgust me. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 534	Posted - 2014.12.18 10:29:00 - [9] - Quote merc 1 makes offer isk/item/amount merc 2 makes offer isk/item/amount both get a confirmation prompt with the details of the trade including isk and meta difference. pretty f'n simple to me if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 474	Posted - 2014.12.18 10:32:00 - [10] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: merc 1 makes offer isk/item/amount merc 2 makes offer isk/item/amount both get a confirmation prompt with the details of the trade. pretty f'n simple to me I see no room for scamming here so you have it all wrong. That is unless merc x can quickly cancel the order and remove their items and then quickly accept right?. What if merc x could just shoot the merc that is trading with them?. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 474	Posted - 2014.12.18 10:36:00 - [11] - Quote What about a merc who holds both trading mercs goods in escrow until they accept the trade like. Wouldn't that be fair?. Then neither merc 1 or 2 can scam eachother and everyone is happy. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1383	Posted - 2014.12.18 11:34:00 - [12] - Quote Personally I am hoping they just copy the station trade functionality from Eve in some way. Open trade window > select items > select isk > both players agree > trade complete. OR maybe the contract system. Player 1 selects character and hits create contract then selects the items and isk price. Player 2 receives mail and has the option to accept contract. Contract options include isk given, isk received, items given, and items received so that the person on either side of the deal can create the contract. The station trade option would be far better in the long run. I am only curious on the mechanics of any of this since we are mostly in different stations and nothing on tranquility is built for cross station trades and item inventory being teleported from station to station. It seems that no matter what the Eve team is going to have to get involved which worries me on the time frame. This is just another reason I always felt like Dust should have been on a separate server with simple API interactions to handle the links between the two. Running two games on two different platforms from the same base server cluster was a bit over ambitious to say the least.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 476	Posted - 2014.12.18 11:41:00 - [13] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Personally I am hoping they just copy the station trade functionality from Eve in some way. Open trade window > select items > select isk > both players agree > trade complete. OR maybe the contract system. Player 1 selects character and hits create contract then selects the items and isk price. Player 2 receives mail and has the option to accept contract. Contract options include isk given, isk received, items given, and items received so that the person on either side of the deal can create the contract. The station trade option would be far better in the long run. I am only curious on the mechanics of any of this since we are mostly in different stations and nothing on tranquility is built for cross station trades and item inventory being teleported from station to station. It seems that no matter what the Eve team is going to have to get involved which worries me on the time frame. This is just another reason I always felt like Dust should have been on a separate server with simple API interactions to handle the links between the two. Running two games on two different platforms from the same base server cluster was a bit over ambitious to say the least. Yeah and it'd be pretty fked up if i couldn't follow them out of the station and rob them after at least. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 466	Posted - 2014.12.18 12:20:00 - [14] - Quote I dont understand why people are so proud of scamming as if it was a cool aspect of the game. To me it's a mediocre way of gaining money You could still scam stupid people that will buy your stuffs through this system. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 717	Posted - 2014.12.18 12:28:00 - [15] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: What about a merc who holds both trading mercs goods in escrow until they accept the trade like. Wouldn't that be fair?. Then neither merc 1 or 2 can scam eachother and everyone is happy. Brokers exist where incompetence in programming exists. If CCP gets it right the first time, we won't need "Trusted" Brokers. Does it add more depth? Sure... but players could RP that **** anyways... no one is stopping 3 people from pretending Dust is Mos Eisley even without a trading system. The power of imagination! It's only lame when the player base has to pretend with the rpers due again to incompetence in game design. I've seen it in MMO's before especially some of the text based ones. Those Devs had the excuse of being one man teams with very minimal programming knowledge. I would hope after over a decade of developing EVE CCP can get it right the first time.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1150	Posted - 2014.12.18 12:58:00 - [16] - Quote Um, scamming is something entirely different to what some of the people in this thread seem to think it is. Scamming is not trading and then switching it at the last moment, that's simply theft; scamming is convincing someone that the item they are selling is worth far more than it's actually worth; or convincing them to trust them to take the money and give them the item later. Scamming is entirely possible with the trade window notion, you just seem to have a dumb idea of what scamming is. Scamming actually takes a mild amount of skill at its base level. Look at Con Artists; they don't sell you something worth a damn then take it away, they trick you into thinking they have something valuable that you want. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 717	Posted - 2014.12.18 13:42:00 - [17] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Um, scamming is something entirely different to what some of the people in this thread seem to think it is. Scamming is not trading and then switching it at the last moment, that's simply theft; scamming is convincing someone that the item they are selling is worth far more than it's actually worth; or convincing them to trust them to take the money and give them the item later. Scamming is entirely possible with the trade window notion, you just seem to have a dumb idea of what scamming is. Scamming actually takes a mild amount of skill at its base level. Look at Con Artists; they don't sell you something worth a damn then take it away, they trick you into thinking they have something valuable that you want. Runescape item trade scams would disagree with you. Scamming is a broad term, and really just means a misrepresentation of the terms agreed upon between two parties, however that misrepresentation may occur.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1153	Posted - 2014.12.18 14:22:00 - [18] - Quote Runescape is one example, that's hardly basis for a definition. Edit: point being, there is still tons of room to scam. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 726	Posted - 2014.12.18 19:29:00 - [19] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Runescape is one example, that's hardly basis for a definition. Edit: point being, there is still tons of room to scam. When asserting a tautology (In this case that a scam can't be implemented through a trading system) only one example is necessary to prove the assertion false.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 481	Posted - 2014.12.18 19:32:00 - [20] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: I dont understand why people are so proud of scamming as if it was a cool aspect of the game. To me it's a mediocre way of gaining money You could still scam stupid people that will buy your stuffs through this system. There's nothing proud or cool about it, it's just funny. This isn't real life. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 481	Posted - 2014.12.18 19:35:00 - [21] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Um, scamming is something entirely different to what some of the people in this thread seem to think it is. Scamming is not trading and then switching it at the last moment, that's simply theft; scamming is convincing someone that the item they are selling is worth far more than it's actually worth; or convincing them to trust them to take the money and give them the item later. Scamming is entirely possible with the trade window notion, you just seem to have a dumb idea of what scamming is. Scamming actually takes a mild amount of skill at its base level. Look at Con Artists; they don't sell you something worth a damn then take it away, they trick you into thinking they have something valuable that you want. Right because two people agreeing on a trade and then one person running off with it all isn't a scam........ You're saying that a scam isn't a scam, a scam is an elaborate scam. You get 10 Obamas. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1859	Posted - 2014.12.18 19:37:00 - [22] - Quote you want me to give you 100 million isk for 10000 balacs? sure, this is totally not a scam omg ccp thiz guy tricked me, broken featre you might be talented, but you're not hak
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 481	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:31:00 - [23] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: you want me to give you 100 million isk for 10000 balacs? sure, this is totally not a scam omg ccp thiz guy tricked me, broken featre The toxin ar and toxin SMG are easily used to scam. All you have to do is read their description to see the light. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 473	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:48:00 - [24] - Quote I didn't create this thread to talk about scam techniques. It is meant to lead CCP in the golden path :3 How I see trades working: 1 and 2 are players -1 ask for trade -2 comfirm -1 and 2 both put a price/item/whatever in the trade window -1 and 2 accept the deal. -end of the trade. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 481	Posted - 2014.12.18 20:50:00 - [25] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: I didn't create this thread to talk about scam techniques. It is meant to lead CCP in the golden path :3 How I see trades working: 1 and 2 are players -1 ask for trade -2 comfirm -1 and 2 both put a price/item/whatever in the trade window -1 and 2 accept the deal. -end of the trade. I do believe you posted in general discussion so we are discussing. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 539	Posted - 2014.12.20 08:01:00 - [26] - Quote btw mercs if player trading is added i will be selling all my officer light weapons for 1.25 million for each , heavy for 1.5m each, and sidearms for 750k. in a couple of days i will put up a thread listing amounts of each. strongboxes if they can be traded/sold will go for 30k each if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1072	Posted - 2014.12.20 08:36:00 - [27] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Personally I am hoping they just copy the station trade functionality from Eve in some way. Open trade window > select items > select isk > both players agree > trade complete. OR maybe the contract system. Player 1 selects character and hits create contract then selects the items and isk price. Player 2 receives mail and has the option to accept contract. Contract options include isk given, isk received, items given, and items received so that the person on either side of the deal can create the contract. The station trade option would be far better in the long run. I am only curious on the mechanics of any of this since we are mostly in different stations and nothing on tranquility is built for cross station trades and item inventory being teleported from station to station. It seems that no matter what the Eve team is going to have to get involved which worries me on the time frame. This is just another reason I always felt like Dust should have been on a separate server with simple API interactions to handle the links between the two. Running two games on two different platforms from the same base server cluster was a bit over ambitious to say the least. Precisely this. Exactly what I said. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 5	Posted - 2014.12.20 10:22:00 - [28] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: btw mercs if player trading is added i will be selling all my officer light weapons for 1.25 million for each , heavy for 1.5m each, and sidearms for 750k. in a couple of days i will put up a thread listing amounts of each. strongboxes if they can be traded/sold will go for 30k each Who will ever buy strongboxes?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18075	Posted - 2014.12.20 10:26:00 - [29] - Quote Nobody said anything about item sending needing agreement of isk exchanging. It is what it is; sending an item. which is no different from sending isk to another player either. If you have that mistrust in a person to send the item of question to and expecting isk back maybe you should invest in a broker there are quite of few of those around heck I think ChibbaX would reprise his most vaunted role from Eve side. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 5	Posted - 2014.12.20 10:33:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nobody said anything about item sending needing agreement of isk exchanging. It is what it is; sending an item. which is no different from sending isk to another player either. If you have that mistrust in a person to send the item of question to and expecting isk back maybe you should invest in a broker there are quite of few of those around heck I think ChibbaX would reprise his most vaunted role from Eve side. Ho c'mon they still have 2months to program a proper item/isk trade window! Why doing half the job when you could without much more coding do something way better ? You must do something IWS. Trades in MMO are the most basic things. And all of them gives a proper exchange system.

iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 542	Posted - 2014.12.21 02:25:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nobody said anything about item sending needing agreement of isk exchanging. It is what it is; sending an item. which is no different from sending isk to another player either. If you have that mistrust in a person to send the item of question to and expecting isk back maybe you should invest in a broker there are quite of few of those around heck I think ChibbaX would reprise his most vaunted role from Eve side. Trade window is an entirely separate feature. You must be socially responsible for your actions. or you can try to be constructive and make player trading the best it can be, instead of being a d1ck. yet again i ask how in duh fukk did you get re-elected. if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 542	Posted - 2014.12.21 02:31:00 - [32] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: btw mercs if player trading is added i will be selling all my officer light weapons for 1.25 million for each , heavy for 1.5m each, and sidearms for 750k. in a couple of days i will put up a thread listing amounts of each. strongboxes if they can be traded/sold will go for 30k each Who will ever buy strongboxes? considering i'm yet to see another officer drop since 1.10, anybody looking to get some, and february is still two months away meaning keys will hopefully be more obtainable. if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2332	Posted - 2014.12.21 03:16:00 - [33] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: merc 1 makes offer isk/item/amount merc 2 makes offer isk/item/amount both get a confirmation prompt with the details of the trade. pretty f'n simple to me I see no room for scamming here so you have it all wrong. That is unless merc x can quickly cancel the order and remove their items and then quickly accept right?. What if merc x could just shoot the merc that is trading with them?. You can still sell your officsr gear for 4x market value, then buy 4 more officer guna and repeat. you can still give a noob 1000 Mlt SMGs for 5 million Isk. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3996	Posted - 2014.12.21 08:58:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nobody said anything about item sending needing agreement of isk exchanging. It is what it is; sending an item. which is no different from sending isk to another player either. If you have that mistrust in a person to send the item of question to and expecting isk back maybe you should invest in a broker there are quite of few of those around heck I think ChibbaX would reprise his most vaunted role from Eve side. Trade window is an entirely separate feature. You must be socially responsible for your actions. Having it just be 'send item' would be a terrible thing. Sure scamming is a thing in New Eden, but making it this easy is pretty silly. Requiring players to go through brokers for just sending single items will create a huge logistical burden on the community. Heck, even the Eve window of direct trading can be scammed but at least it takes a bit more effort. Dust has sorely needed a player market in order for many subsystems to actually work. Seems like a shame for the first implementation of trading to be so bare bones. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Nirwanda Vaughns 1091	Posted - 2014.12.21 11:51:00 - [35] - Quote Simply have it operate liek the EVE online Contracts i goto my Market section goto contracts and click 'Create Contract' it brings a box up where i can select which person the contract is for either from contacts or by typing (like sendng mail) i click a drop down menu which asks how long contract stays acvtive. 1, 3, 7 or 30days i click the box underneath which opens up a simplified view of my assets list. i click an asset and the 'quantity' box comes up asking how many of an item to add to contract. i clcik ok. if i require ISK for th eitems i click the box below which says 'i will receive..' and i type in amount i'm selling for. if i'm adding isk as well as the items i click 'i will pay...' and type in my amount. i hit create and there you go, a private contract. the items and isk are removed from your char and await collection now on the other end, when the person logs in they receive a notification on their welcome screen that they have a contract waiting for them, they either click it or goto contracts and click 'notifications' check the awaiting contracts. check the tiems, isk to pay, isk to receive is correct, click accept and the isk is taken/added to you wallet and items added to your assets Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner


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