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Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:12:00 - [1] - Quote I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1253	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:14:00 - [2] - Quote If you're using a Breach Shotgun, stop.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6690	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:14:00 - [3] - Quote Its a matter of experience and skill. I tried it once, and I was awful with it. I will stick to my knives. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1983	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:15:00 - [4] - Quote Get real close and blap them. Wait for someone to hack a nearby object (10 - 20m away) to blap them. Flank and blap It's much harder than most will think. Well with a Militia Shotgun and STD Calscout it is. :p n+ÅS¦¦Gùò V GùòS¦¦n++killer of Cat Merc/Feathered overlord of all. 15 Quafe Ck.0s! 357 boxes...0 keys
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:35:00 - [5] - Quote haha but the real pros have chased me down with a shotgun and killed me, usually a militia shotgun in an advanced or proto Gallente Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 517	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:43:00 - [6] - Quote Shoot the things May we never forget his sacrifice
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5144	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:47:00 - [7] - Quote Get them in center circle. Shoot within 5m, if target leaves, switch to sidearm.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 428	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:00:00 - [8] - Quote IIRC I once got 42 kills with a militia shotgun on a mlt min light frame with 2 mlt extenders and 2 mlt kin cats. I may not have a mic, but trust me, you NEED me in your squad if you want to win. When I'm on a roll, I'm unstoppable.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy 123	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:08:00 - [9] - Quote The shotgun is a tool that requires patience. You have to outflank your enemy and wait for the right opportunity to strike. It has taken me a long time to go from God awful to sucky. With the shotgun speed is your friend and by extension the kinkats are your friend. Also profile dampening is also your friend.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:28:00 - [10] - Quote With my Amarr scout, I will just stick to my breach pistol Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

Vesta Opalus Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 256	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:51:00 - [11] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please The shotgun is alot like the HMG, where you think its shooting out in a big spread, but the reality is once they get more than a few meters from you you need to actually aim because the vast majority of your damage actually is going out in a very small cone in the center of your reticle. It makes aiming the shotgun at ~10 meters or so a pretty iffy proposition. Try aiming more carefully when shooting at longer ranges, or carry an SMG or scrambler or whatever sidearm to finish people off. Also theres almost always the option to just disengage and come back when conditions are more favorable.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1980	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:53:00 - [12] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Get real close and blap them. Wait for someone to hack a nearby object (10 - 20m away) to blap them. Flank and blap It's much harder than most will think. Well with a Militia Shotgun and STD Calscout it is. :p Mlt shotgun is still easy mode. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:57:00 - [13] - Quote I just recently decided to get he shotgun on a whim. I figured out the secrets to using it very quickly too >.> I'll drop ya one tip though, quick scope. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Ku Shala The Generals 1078	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:00:00 - [14] - Quote jump and aim down towards their face or shoot for the red star *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20300	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:08:00 - [15] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: If you're using a Breach Shotgun, stop. Gospel truth. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 590	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:22:00 - [16] - Quote Use normal SG and shoot reds within 10meters. On laggy maps, SG has big detection issues. That may be your problem. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 472	Posted - 2014.12.17 21:18:00 - [17] - Quote The biggest thing: DO NOT TRUST THE RETICULE. The fixed circle and animation give the illusion that the SG has a wide, cone shaped spread, but it doesn't. It is actually more of a cylinder, without much dispersion. Because of this, as someone mentioned previously, your aim actually has to be much more precise as you get further away. The circle represents the area that the shotgun spreads at optimum range (2-5m), any further than that and the area of actual damage quickly becomes much smaller than the circle.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6447	Posted - 2014.12.17 22:06:00 - [18] - Quote It's a matter of connection. Some people can easily be shotgunned while others can stand still and take 8 shots to the back, then turn around and kill you. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2014.12.18 23:05:00 - [19] - Quote Thank you all but you did not specifically say where to aim. The head? Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 733	Posted - 2014.12.18 23:09:00 - [20] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Get real close and blap them. Wait for someone to hack a nearby object (10 - 20m away) to blap them. Flank and blap It's much harder than most will think. Well with a Militia Shotgun and STD Calscout it is. :p Mlt shotgun is still easy mode. I know that's right, I've got a militia amarr light suit with a militia shotgun and militia kincats etc. that I use for the sole purpose of blapping people. Fit only costs me 1.4k, but I have a militia armor rep and militia light damage mod blueprint on it as well.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 733	Posted - 2014.12.18 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: Thank you all but you did not specifically say where to aim. The head? Center mass, it's a shotgun. Only aim for the head if they are unaware of your presence and standing still.
neausea 1987 1.U.P Capital Punishment. 213	Posted - 2014.12.18 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote line them in the middle of the circle then shoot shoot shoot, the damage will be reduced but as long as you line them up in the middle of the circle they will get hurt. you also have to factor in their shield vs armor ratio+ range. because i played since open beta and as of late i noticed people killing me and ranges i know were impossible before so now i do the same. SEE LEARN ADAPT also buff my breach just a lil. this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1891	Posted - 2014.12.19 00:38:00 - [23] - Quote "Point towards enemy" typically works pretty well for me. Sometimes I have trouble hitting the R1 button though. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 652	Posted - 2014.12.19 00:52:00 - [24] - Quote Shoot them in the back, if they happen to still be alive by the time they have managed to turn around to confront you, jump! And shoot whilst in the air, when you land on your feet shoot again. If their not dead by this point I don't know what to tell you.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 648	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:31:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Its a matter of experience and skill. I tried it once, and I was awful with it. I will stick to my knives. It's a matter of lag. Boycott Black Thursday!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3186	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:53:00 - [26] - Quote Run a low HP suit, no cloak. Git gud at aiming. ? Profit. Seriously though, if the match hit detection is off, don't use it. Its really a terrible weapon that really only works well for campy scrubs, and punishes mediocre players, while highly rewarding very skilled ones. When you use it, don't strafe like you have a rifle. Jump in the air only when you're within 5m of the target,and line up a headshot. With hit detection the way it is, you need that HS multiplier. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3186	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:54:00 - [27] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Thank you all but you did not specifically say where to aim. The head? Center mass, it's a shotgun. Only aim for the head if they are unaware of your presence and standing still. ....Dont listen to him. He has 0 idea what he is talking about. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3186	Posted - 2014.12.19 01:55:00 - [28] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: IIRC I once got 42 kills with a militia shotgun on a mlt min light frame with 2 mlt extenders and 2 mlt kin cats. 58 in battle academy on my tanker alt bro Battle academy doesn't count. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2014.12.19 02:47:00 - [29] - Quote Hit detection and lag is why I dropped the weapon but now I can kill everyone but heavies with just a sidearm. I am actually now good, its high time I become immortal haha Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 668	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:05:00 - [30] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: The shotgun is a tool that requires patience. You have to outflank your enemy and wait for the right opportunity to strike. It has taken me a long time to go from God awful to sucky. With the shotgun speed is your friend and by extension the kinkats are your friend. Also profile dampening is also your friend. I find you just have to really learn to pick your battles. Most of the time when I die in a scout, it's cause i flank an enemy, and they JUST barely escape with a little life, and I get baited into chasing them into a wall of heavies. Like others said, wait for your opportunity. KinKats and profile dampening are an easy way to out flank your enemy, but running a cloak, kin kats and profile dampeners obviously leaves you quite weak in face to face combat. One of the best pieces of advice I can give to a scout if your running solo is at the very start of the map, run out and place unorthodox uplinks in hard to find areas that give you the ability to spawn in good flanking positions as the map continues. Other than that it comes down to a sense of tactical awareness I feel like. Flank. Don't be seen. Get decent with a ranged secondary (I like the breach sub to pair with shotty). Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!

Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 103	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:21:00 - [31] - Quote I have fired numerous clips and couldnt seem to kill someone at point blank range so I gave up on the weapon, I hear its hit detection. I would really love to be able to kill when in the open chasing down almost dead enemies. Aim for the head. I will take that advance. I scrapped all my Ewar modules apart from precision enhancer, going with 3 enhanced repairs and loving it. I can duck and return with almost full eHP and finish 3 enemies at a go, very much fun haha Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 74	Posted - 2014.12.19 03:50:00 - [32] - Quote How can you not do well with the shotgun?. K den. We immortals are but shadows and K den mercs. Shadows and K den!.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.12.19 04:02:00 - [33] - Quote THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: How can you not do well with the shotgun?. K den. Too many conflicting advice I am at level 5 operation and I think level 2 proficiency. Whenever I got killed by the shotgun its always been at a longer range than I can shoot. I dont know if increasing proficiency will change much. I had to default to a breach scrambler pistol when all else failed. I even used a breach shotgun when I was fed up of almost killing enemies. I do think that the shotgun does give me overconfidence as I chase down 5 enemies when I am with it. I was more careful when I used only sidearms Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Vicious Minotaur 1530	Posted - 2014.12.19 04:29:00 - [34] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: If you're using a Breach Shotgun, stop. Screw that. The Breach Shotgun is fun. Plus, you earn every kill with it more so than virtually every other weapon in the game. Yeah, it sucks. Which is precisely the reason you ought to START using it. Especially if you are a new player. Trial by ordeal. Then again, not everybody makes intentionally gimped fits for funsies. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1278	Posted - 2014.12.19 04:44:00 - [35] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: If you're using a Breach Shotgun, stop. Screw that. The Breach Shotgun is fun. Plus, you earn every kill with it more so than virtually every other weapon in the game. Yeah, it sucks. Which is precisely the reason you ought to START using it. Especially if you are a new player. Trial by ordeal. Then again, not everybody makes intentionally gimped fits for funsies. The only Breach Shotgun worth running is the Plasma Cannon.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1278	Posted - 2014.12.19 04:46:00 - [36] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Thank you all but you did not specifically say where to aim. The head? Center mass, it's a shotgun. Only aim for the head if they are unaware of your presence and standing still. ^ This. Shotgun hit detection and pellet spread aren't always predictable. I won't go for a headshot unless they're standing still.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 85	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:18:00 - [37] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please Dude you have to be aggressive. You shoot the merc once and back up I bet. Shoot him in his face then shoot him behind his face.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:24:00 - [38] - Quote thehellisgoingon wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please Dude you have to be aggressive. You shoot the merc once and back up I bet. Shoot him in his face then shoot him behind his face. Sadly with my Amarr I cant do jumping jacks like all the Galente and Minamatar Scouts I have come across. I gave up on the breach scrambler pistol too Now I use a combat rifle and a flaylock: increase to blast radius is very enticing to make me skill it up. I have remotes and cloak in my equipment slot but my other fitting has uplinks instead of remotes and I just see a heavy and just stand still and die since I cant do much Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2698	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:08:00 - [39] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: thehellisgoingon wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please Dude you have to be aggressive. You shoot the merc once and back up I bet. Shoot him in his face then shoot him behind his face. Sadly with my Amarr I cant do jumping jacks like all the Galente and Minamatar Scouts I have come across. I gave up on the breach scrambler pistol too Now I use a combat rifle and a flaylock: increase to blast radius is very enticing to make me skill it up. I have remotes and cloak in my equipment slot but my other fitting has uplinks instead of remotes and I just see a heavy and just stand still and die since I cant do much You might consider running a red bottle or two, then: Sprint, jump, aim down, and time the shot. Don't weigh the Amarr scout down with armor that slows you down, either, as the shotgun scout unable to close the distance to its target is in a bad place. But if you've had trouble with the single shot mechanics of the scrambler pistol, I suspect you're going to struggle with the shotgun too, so you might want to go to an automatic weapon like the ACR, ASR, ARR, or one of the AR variants. They can be very effective with the Am Scout and they are a bit more user friendly.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 217	Posted - 2014.12.19 09:38:00 - [40] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please Some very good advice in the replies already. at 5 & 2 you are plenty skilled in - just keep practising. get close (use cloak, speed), aim properly via hipfire not sights and hit them as many times as possible before they figure out what's going on. if they manage to get an aim on you - either run away or carry a sidearm. hooray! it might be different for some but I've found you rarely get loadsakills with an SG - it's great for sneaky play but never for stand up fights which you will lose every time. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥

Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:16:00 - [41] - Quote I m guessing red bottle is kin cats. I have to admit that its getting harder, with all the protos, I needed 2 complex damps to not get scanned. If I met KB/M users its useless with single shot weapons if I dont finish them before they see me, thats why I am using the flaylock. Strafing is one thing but moving around in semi circles or circles and shooting perfectly is another story Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2706	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:17:00 - [42] - Quote It's not KBM that are moving in circles -- that's impossible. You're simply being killed by better players, IMO.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 756	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:20:00 - [43] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Thank you all but you did not specifically say where to aim. The head? Center mass, it's a shotgun. Only aim for the head if they are unaware of your presence and standing still. ....Dont listen to him. He has 0 idea what he is talking about. No, don't listen to him, he has no idea what he's talking about. See I can not defend my argument too and just call you wrong, aren't I smart? Inb4 gotta jump homes, that's terrible advice for a new player and only works for scouts when they catch you off guard. I've killed many a scout with a rifle just because I know exactly where they will be once they jump. And you are probably one of those people who would then blame hit detection when you miss after bunny hopping like a spaz.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:35:00 - [44] - Quote I have killed a lot of scouts with my breach scrambler it works like a shotgun, but with lag its useless, flaylock works wonders with lag as I dont have to aim. With all the skills I spent on the scrambler, the target HUD or whatever its called is so small that its very easy to miss, especially during freeze frames and circle strafing. I am in no way a new player though. I guess automatic weapons do make up for the lag and other frame rate issues. My preferred weapons are Light slot : Breach scrambler pistol sidearm slot: Bolt pistol but lag and hit detection issues makes using it a chore Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1104	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:57:00 - [45] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Get real close and blap them. Wait for someone to hack a nearby object (10 - 20m away) to blap them. Flank and blap It's much harder than most will think. Well with a Militia Shotgun and STD Calscout it is. :p Flank and blap. I like it. Reminds me of the shake and vac advert. Vicious Minotaur wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: If you're using a Breach Shotgun, stop. Screw that. The Breach Shotgun is fun. Plus, you earn every kill with it more so than virtually every other weapon in the game. Yeah, it sucks. Which is precisely the reason you ought to START using it. Especially if you are a new player. Trial by ordeal. Then again, not everybody makes intentionally gimped fits for funsies. @Timtron Try all the advice, see what works for you. I think you'll find that the way you end up having to dance around trying to land enough shots means attempting headshots after the first, assuming you catch them unawares and you can guarantee the hit, isn't good advice. But you never know - it may work for you. With the high alpha damage you already have though, headshots aren't as important as they are with other guns. Also I would try the breach at some point. Because the low clip size will make you a better shotgunner. When you only have two shots to play with, your aim will improve, as will your positioning. Then you can go back to normal shotty and wreck face ;-) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6546	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:48:00 - [46] - Quote Can confirm that the Breach Shotgun still sucks. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Gareth Verenar Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:55:00 - [47] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: It's not KBM that are moving in circles -- with only four directions and eight possible directions, that's impossible. With a MKB at best you can do a type of octagon. This is simply not true. KBM can strafe circles easy, it is not any easier or harder than analog sticks on a gamepad. Circle strafing is dependent on how you manipulate your aiming controls moreso than your movement. Any lateral or diagonal movement is all you need, the look controls handle the rest and actually create the circle. Anyone with a hand for their mouse or thumb for their sticks can strafe circles around their opponent in as wide or tight a formation as possible. And anyone with with half decent dexterity can do it well regardless of control input choice.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1147	Posted - 2014.12.24 14:01:00 - [48] - Quote Gareth Verenar wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: It's not KBM that are moving in circles -- with only four directions and eight possible directions, that's impossible. With a MKB at best you can do a type of octagon. This is simply not true. KBM can strafe circles easy, it is not any easier or harder than analog sticks on a gamepad. Circle strafing is dependent on how you manipulate your aiming controls moreso than your movement. Any lateral or diagonal movement is all you need, the look controls handle the rest and actually create the circle. Anyone with a hand for their mouse or thumb for their sticks can strafe circles around their opponent in as wide or tight a formation as possible. And anyone with with half decent dexterity can do it well regardless of control input choice. sounds harder to me :) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2750	Posted - 2014.12.24 14:03:00 - [49] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I have 5 operation and 2 proficiency but I cant seem to shoot anything thats more than 2m in front of me but I am getting whacked by other shotgunners when I am more than 2m away. Am I missing something? Let me in on the secret please It's the way hit detection in DUST works. You have to wait for your circle "Crosshair" To light up "Red" You can have that circle dead center on target... and if it isn't lit up "Red" your shots will only do 5% damage.. You can't really just twitch aim a shotgun... Because CCP's hit detection system lags and won't light up the crosshairs that fast. A Good shotgunner is a patient one with Hit detection and will only shoot when their crosshairs are red and lit up, and wait for that exact time it does. AS the time goes on you will get faster at the process of waiting for your crosshairs to light up before you fire... To the point where it feel almost instinct. But it will ruin you when you go to play another Shooter game with actual competent hit detection systems.
Gareth Verenar Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.12.24 23:09:00 - [50] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: It's not KBM that are moving in circles -- with only four directions and eight possible directions, that's impossible. With a MKB at best you can do a type of octagon. This is simply not true. KBM can strafe circles easy, it is not any easier or harder than analog sticks on a gamepad. Circle strafing is dependent on how you manipulate your aiming controls moreso than your movement. Any lateral or diagonal movement is all you need, the look controls handle the rest and actually create the circle. Anyone with a hand for their mouse or thumb for their sticks can strafe circles around their opponent in as wide or tight a formation as possible. And anyone with with half decent dexterity can do it well regardless of control input choice. sounds harder to me :) But that's because you don't have any thumbs, or hands for that matter. Wait, how do you even Dust then? Wait, how do you even forum? Telekinesis? I knew it!

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1161	Posted - 2014.12.25 00:00:00 - [51] - Quote Gareth Verenar wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: It's not KBM that are moving in circles -- with only four directions and eight possible directions, that's impossible. With a MKB at best you can do a type of octagon. This is simply not true. KBM can strafe circles easy, it is not any easier or harder than analog sticks on a gamepad. Circle strafing is dependent on how you manipulate your aiming controls moreso than your movement. Any lateral or diagonal movement is all you need, the look controls handle the rest and actually create the circle. Anyone with a hand for their mouse or thumb for their sticks can strafe circles around their opponent in as wide or tight a formation as possible. And anyone with with half decent dexterity can do it well regardless of control input choice. sounds harder to me :) But that's because you don't have any thumbs, or hands for that matter. Wait, how do you even Dust then? Wait, how do you even forum? Telekinesis? I knew it! Haha. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Can confirm that the Breach Shotgun still sucks. Can confirm I died twice today to the Breach. In a non-dampened Minja suit to a dampened fellow bastard scout. It felt good You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz


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