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Edau Skir2
duna corp
114
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:17:00 -
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So I've just spent the last 3 games as a logi, repping almost constantly, injecting, and throwing down uplinks. As well as a bit of hacking and killing when needed.
However, this is actually getting me a lot LESS sp than I'd usually get for going frontline crazy on them. Where's your logic here? |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
829
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:18:00 -
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Some of us suck with a gun.
We get our WP any way we can. |
Edau Skir2
duna corp
114
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:20:00 -
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Is that literally it? Logis can still get moderate sp if they don't want to fight? I should of stayed on my Plasma... |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1382
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:23:00 -
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What are your numbers?
Because, that's why.
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
830
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:25:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Is that literally it? Logis can still get moderate sp if they don't want to fight? I should of stayed on my Plasma...
I wan't to fight, don't get me wrong. My gun game is mediocre at best. I find that I'm more useful to the team, especially the heavies i run with regularly, if I support first and kill second. Since this is a team based game, I play for the win and not my personal stats.
That being said, it's always funny to lead the board going 0/7 and 3K WP. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5052
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:26:00 -
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Logi have traditionally been the highest earners in war points, which is a big component of SP gain. With bandwidth limiting the distribution of deployables, and increased WP rewards for fighting on points, this may have mellowed somewhat.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Edau Skir2
duna corp
115
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:33:00 -
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I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks. |
Dauth Jenkins
Titans of Phoenix
617
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:44:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks.
dat militia rep tool though...
in reality, unless youve specialized in minlogi and rep tools, its best to be a support logi. Use a Support weapon (mass driver for breaching, or ASCR for stripping shields) and only rep when needed. if you use deployable equips, only throw 1 at a time. dont throw nanohives right at someones feet during an extended battle, throw it slightly farther back, maybe 10 meters, and in cover. For some reason nanohives dont give WPs if its not giving out a full set of ammo. Also, that way it wont get destroyed by grenades thrown during combat.
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
933
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:49:00 -
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Logis USED to be warpoint gods. I remember a time when 3-4k wp was average for me. Sadly, the era of logi has been long gone. Constant buffs to other classes, with little to no love for logis, have brought on all but the end for logis. I find myself "slaying" from time to time now just to break 1k WP.
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Dubya Guy
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
105
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:50:00 -
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Not hacks.
It is hard to get those numbers in an Ambush. Easier in a Dom. Dedicate yourself to repping and uplinks and hives rather than slaying. Run with an active squad that has 2 or 3 armored players. Help/let the slayers do the slaying. Use a core rep tool (or six kin) with two streams. Place your uplinks and hives in the proximity of the objective, and dodge bullets. Focus. Avoid distractions. Situational awareness. Prepare. Anticipate.
Happens a lot. No tricks, not even proto gear. Just experience in what/when/how, good logi game, and good squad coordination going up against the lack of same on the other side.
I'd be happy to squad with you sometime.
PS. As a lifetime dedicated Logi, my KDR is really, really, really low. I'd like to think the KDR of those I frequently squad with is proportionately higher as a result.
FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
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bane sieg
Damaged Beyond Repair
32
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:05:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks.
I can assure 2 to 3k war points for a good logi is just an average game. Definitely no hacks though they're probably using all proto.
I have hit as high as 7400 wp in a match repping, dropping uplinks and hives plus revives. Doesn't hurt if you can break out your rifle at times and land a few kills or assists.
CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
832
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:05:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks.
It's not hacks.
I have a heav I love running with, BIGRED 4UALL. He's a monster who's not afraid to run out into a wall of bullets. He and I play together quite often and we know what each other is doing and capable of handling. Couple of Alloteck Nanohives on the ground and a Sik Kin as a leash and I can keep him alive through a lot. Couple the rep points with guardian and now objective bonuses and it's not had to get the 2-3K WP that we're talking about. If I get another Heavy on the other half of that leash, I can get near 4K WP in a good match.
In my BP suit it's harder to hit 2K but not impossible. I normally get between 1K and 1.5K in that suit. |
bane sieg
Damaged Beyond Repair
32
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:08:00 -
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The best way to keep your kd up as a logi is to squad lead as well and get your kills through warbarges. Just be sure to tell your heavy when the rep is coming off.
CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
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Dubya Guy
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
106
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:11:00 -
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bane sieg wrote:The best way to keep your kd up as a logi is to squad lead as well and get your kills through warbarges. Just be sure to tell your heavy when the rep is coming off.
heehee. yep. But I hate to squad lead since I push-to-talk mostly, and I couldn't care less about KDR. Let 'em have it. 
FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
14489
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:15:00 -
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To be fair, you are a new player so you're EQ will suck which leads to less ISK/WP/SP. Though there's a channel called Heavy/Logi Funzone which I highly recommend you join.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Edau Skir2
duna corp
115
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:17:00 -
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bane sieg wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks. I can assure 2 to 3k war points for a good logi is just an average game. Definitely no hacks though they're probably using all proto. I have hit as high as 7400 wp in a match repping, dropping uplinks and hives plus revives. Doesn't hurt if you can break out your rifle at times and land a few kills or assists.
Like I said, this is what I was doing. 900wp. Made no sense to me, and I was on the frontline with the heavies.
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bane sieg
Damaged Beyond Repair
33
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:29:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:bane sieg wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks. I can assure 2 to 3k war points for a good logi is just an average game. Definitely no hacks though they're probably using all proto. I have hit as high as 7400 wp in a match repping, dropping uplinks and hives plus revives. Doesn't hurt if you can break out your rifle at times and land a few kills or assists. Like I said, this is what I was doing. 900wp. Made no sense to me, and I was on the frontline with the heavies.
You're not going to get the huge wps till you at least get your rep tool to proto. Having a dual stream rep tool can net you a lot more points. Even if you run solo, create a one man squad so you can put down a defend order for the extra points. Domination maps are your best friend, ambush is harder to get the big wps. Get nanocircuitry up too. The wps vary depending on your needle now and good quality hives can get you a lot of extra points.
CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
2949
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:31:00 -
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It is really quite simple.
You get 30 WP per Triage if you are close to the point or when you had the Defend Order. You can get like 20 Triage tags before it resets and you have to earn WP elsewhere. That's 600 WP right there. Throw down some Equipment. Every Spawn is 30 WP as well. How about a Nanohive? That is 12 WP per restock. Guardian is 42 points, meaning the person you are "giving the stuff" (what I call it) kills someone. After the Triage caps, shoot some people with your gun. Once you start getting Triage back, go forth and multiply. A good Logi can kill people as well in between resupplying and triaging.
I notice that my numbers are about the same since Bandwidth changes. Less Uplinks means my Prototype Flux Uplinks that give a 3-5 second spawn are always doing business. Before, there would be so many that my good Uplinks would be obscured. Now that the map is clear, the choice of 15 second respawn of 3-5 seconds is equally clear. After seeing how easily a Logi can earn WP, I seriously doubt that someone could easily replicate that in a typical slayer type position. When Cyrius Li-Moody went 60/4 in one of his videos he pulled 4,510. That type of game doesn't happen that often and I can fairly easily pull 3,000+ WP just healing people and dropping equipment close to the point though that doesn't happen every game.
"But that is half of what Moody got!"
True. However, that is also one of the best scores that an obscenely good player got. I am mediocre, barely proficient. On my high scoring games, I have gotten to 4,500. If my mediocre ass can pull numbers that challenge the scores of the best then the method I am using gives me an obscene advantage in the WP category.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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thehellisgoingon
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
70
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:39:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:I was barely getting wp. Even repping people who were taking armor damage wasn't giving me points. I barely broke 900 on all three games, and it's not like the numbers weren't flying across my screen. I ended up getting 3.5k sp, whereas I'd usually get 5k sp for killing a few people and doing a couple of hacks.
So how I see Logis going 2-3k wp on a game is beyond me. I call hacks.
For you to receive triage points gunfire needs to be exchanged. You can't just rep a blueberry getting shot at and expect free points. And don't hesitate to shoot the enemy after your heavy goes down. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4943
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:49:00 -
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The potential for WP's with a rep tool and a few well placed uplinks is massive in a closely fought battle, certainly more than from just killing.
It's not an exciting way to play, necessarily, which is why I do it situationally and only spend about 1/3 of the battle with the rep tool out.
I could get moar WP that way but meh. WP isn't everything, particularly in FW where I spend most of my time and it doesn't translate into OB's. But stand behind 2 heavies with a dual channel rep tool while they are under fire and you can just watch the SP roll in... provided you can stay alive with the big yellow bullseye on you, of course.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Edau Skir2
duna corp
115
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:49:00 -
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Cheers for that, I thought just pointing a rep tool at something gave me points.........sigh. I WAS repping people taking damage!
My EQ? |
Insufficient Data
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
78
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:51:00 -
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Atiim wrote:To be fair, you are a new player so you're EQ will suck which leads to less ISK/WP/SP. Though there's a channel called Heavy/Logi Funzone which I highly recommend you join.
I can vouch for atJim on this one. The only rules in that channel are don't recruit or poach members for your corp needs. Other than try to squad with TunRa. He might be able to let you reach 4-6k in WP easily.
Insufficient Data:GǪGǪ GǪGǪ GǪGǪ
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Byozuma Kegawa
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
371
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:03:00 -
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Another thing you might want to do is... got out of Duna. He's just using you to fund his tank obsession. EQ stands for equipment, which you should push to get advanced in the short term and prototype once you've taken care of the basics (capping armor and shield skills as well as the related module skills, cap your CPU/PG skills, etc., etc.). As a logistics you live by how much higher grade equipment you can fit. Weapons are always secondary. Heck, if you can get away with using a BPO weapon do it.
And lastly... get out of Duna. Your life will be so much better for it. |
P14GU3
Savage Bullet
935
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:05:00 -
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Insufficient Data wrote:Atiim wrote:To be fair, you are a new player so you're EQ will suck which leads to less ISK/WP/SP. Though there's a channel called Heavy/Logi Funzone which I highly recommend you join. I can vouch for atJim on this one. The only rules in that channel are don't recruit or poach members for your corp needs. Other than try to squad with TunRa. He might be able to let you reach 4-6k in WP easily.
This is my point tho. Everyone here is saying "get a good heavy or assault to chase." Can I still rack up 3-4k matches, of course. I've been a logi since beta though, so I have perfected my craft. I USED to pull those numbers on a regular basis (and you know it Data) without a super squad. Now it seems if you want numbers like that, you absolutely have to have a top teir slayer to chase. Logis have been dumbed down to chubby chasers who throw out ammo and links now and then to move the frontline when necessary.
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Edau Skir2
duna corp
116
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:08:00 -
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Fair enough, I have all my EQ skills to 1, with the exception of Nanocircuitry at 2. I'll have to look better into it. Nanite Injs as well, because they give more wp the higher the quality right? |
abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
97
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:09:00 -
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Think they nerfed the wp cap further after the changes, it seems to be that way. Or maybe its just that I finally got my six kins. hmmm... |
P14GU3
Savage Bullet
935
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:14:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Fair enough, I have all my EQ skills to 1, with the exception of Nanocircuitry at 2. I'll have to look better into it. Nanite Injs as well, because they give more wp the higher the quality right?
No actually, this is another issue with logis. If you want to most wp possible, you have to use miltia gear (except for links because no one spawns on mlt links.) But mlt needle and rep tool will net you more points because it takes longer to rep. Your squad will appreciate better EQ though as it provides them a better opportunity to stay alive. So basically, your choices are, make your squad happy, or get WP...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Byozuma Kegawa
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
373
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:19:00 -
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It's been 5 minutes... why are you still in Duna? Seriously, NPC corps are better than being in Duna... |
P14GU3
Savage Bullet
935
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:21:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:It's been 5 minutes... why are you still in Duna? Seriously, NPC corps are better than being in Duna...
Duna probably wont let him leave. Gotta fund them tanks y'know...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1744
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:23:00 -
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it took me ages to realise but a logi is best on the move. i rarely come below first on my team and i'm a logi using standard equipment. key is not sticking with someone. you need to move about taking things to the guys on the front where it is all quickly devoured. use your repair tool for out of combat repair. don't stick around too long or you will be the primary target. look for where uplinks are not and drop yours there. if its a bad fight players will always want a nice safe spawn but not too far from the action.
speed is your friend. forget the armor plates and go ferroscale
quantity and quality of gear is not as good as quality of position and timing. you want players eating your gear up not brushing past it.
and stay on squad comms. if not squad go team and always look out for straggling friendlies as they will likely need help often which is where the speed comes in
All Hail Legion
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