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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:10:00 -
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This weapon is the most underrated weapon out there. The only thing negative about it is that the visual recoil is lethargic and so it does not "appear" to be accurate. Though, anyone who knows, knows not to fight the recoil.
Don't change the ASCR CCP! It is awesome!
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1360
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:39:00 -
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>Constantly bitches and moans about how the AR is so bad, when it really isn't bad at all, and is actually performing on par.
>Tries to say the AScR is fine, when it is performing worse in almost every measurable metric compared to the AR they so fervently think is terrible.
Just shut your mouth. You quite clearly don't give a damn about anything other than Gallente weapons.
Bring on the Galfag hate!
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3382
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Don't change the ASCR CCP! It is awesome!
Do you even SCR BRAH?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4930
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:53:00 -
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It's underrated, but there's a excellent discussion of why it underperforms in Aeon's thread. IMO, it's mostly the stats being (only slightly) lackluster compared to other laser weaponry - but with the same drawbacks.
Plus a small component of the visuals (muzzle flash and phantom recoil) making it a little tricky to use.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
603
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:58:00 -
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Nobody's gonna use it anyway till the ScRub reigns supreme
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:47:00 -
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Don't change anything but the damage profile, it's too slow killing armor, make it +15% shield -15% armor. It's at +20/-20 now, right?
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1125
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Posted - 2014.12.15 18:31:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:>Tries to say the AScR is fine, when it is performing worse in almost every measurable metric compared to the AR they so fervently think is terrible.
Well,aside from their DPS, they're actually not bad. Their paper DPS is good, but it's the damage profile that hurts the most. Which is why I agree with...
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Don't change anything but the damage profile, it's too slow killing armor, make it +15% shield -15% armor. It's at +20/-20 now, right?
This. I would marry this change and make little +15/-15 babies. Our children would bring beautiful, lasery death to the masses...
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
604
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Posted - 2014.12.15 18:40:00 -
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Before you demand nothing be done give this a look.
Even if you could make it work, the data shows the ASCR has the largest penalty drawback of all the rifles. When the Proto rifle is worse than every ADV rifle there is a problem that needs to be addressed.
I say once you tweak the damage profile to a +/- 15%, buff ROF by 4%, the ASCR keeps the same damage vs shields you love, and does the nearly the same damage to armor as the combat rifle does to shields.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
89
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Posted - 2014.12.15 21:20:00 -
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The true problem is there isn't a shield stacker out there on almost any battlefield for it to massacre, everyone stacks armor more than shields and can do so easily with just one complex armor plate over 2 complex shield extender, it's not so much the weapon but it is its environment
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6432
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Posted - 2014.12.15 22:57:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:>Constantly bitches and moans about how the AR is so bad, when it really isn't bad at all, and is actually performing on par.
>Tries to say the AScR is fine, when it is performing worse in almost every measurable metric compared to the AR they so fervently think is terrible.
Just shut your mouth. You quite clearly don't give a damn about anything other than Gallente weapons.
Bring on the Galfag hate!
You're one to talk Fizzer. You are not known for your fair and balanced views on any subjects.
Also, let me set you straight.
I have the Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols and Amarr Assault to proto. I only have a basic tier one Gallente Assault and a proto AR I have lying around since last year.
What's that about me only caring about Gallante gear? I don't even use it a tenth of the time I play. When I use the AR it's usually on the Amarr or Minmatar Assault I have to proto.
So why don't you silence yourself. Spreading slander about my character is a very ignorant thing to do as it makes both of us look bad.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.15 23:04:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Before you demand nothing be done give this a look.Even if you could make it work, the data shows the ASCR has the largest penalty drawback of all the rifles. When the Proto rifle is worse than every ADV rifle there is a problem that needs to be addressed. I say once you tweak the damage profile to a +/- 15%, buff ROF by 4%, the ASCR keeps the same damage vs shields you love, and does the nearly the same damage to armor as the combat rifle does to shields.
I could live with a very slight change, but the reason I love it is because it is an EXTREMELY precise weapon and has amazing hipfire. I don't want it to get buffed so much it becomes OP and then nerfed into ablivion. I'm a passionate user of this weapon who uses it regularly. So I'm trying to make my voice heard.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6432
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Posted - 2014.12.15 23:09:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:The true problem is there isn't a shield stacker out there on almost any battlefield for it to massacre, everyone stacks armor more than shields and can do so easily with just one complex armor plate over 2 complex shield extender, it's not so much the weapon but it is its environment
I don't have an issue with armor suits because they tend to move slower and because of the ASCR's low muzzle climb and low dispersion head shots are fairly common against armor users.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
612
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Posted - 2014.12.15 23:46:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Before you demand nothing be done give this a look.Even if you could make it work, the data shows the ASCR has the largest penalty drawback of all the rifles. When the Proto rifle is worse than every ADV rifle there is a problem that needs to be addressed. I say once you tweak the damage profile to a +/- 15%, buff ROF by 4%, the ASCR keeps the same damage vs shields you love, and does the nearly the same damage to armor as the combat rifle does to shields. I could live with a very slight change, but the reason I love it is because it is an EXTREMELY precise weapon and has amazing hipfire. I don't want it to get buffed so much it becomes OP and then nerfed into ablivion. I'm a passionate user of this weapon who uses it regularly. So I'm trying to make my voice heard. I would like the Proto ASCR to have its damage raised but that's a glitch not a buff.
The change would be -1.9 HP (from 580.4 to 578.5) damage per second less against shields but + 40.6 (386.9 to 427.6) damage per second vs armor.
Comapare that to the current Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle that does 602.5 dmg vs Armor and 426 vs Shield.
Could you live with this change?
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
201
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:30:00 -
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How about either removing the recoil or fixing it so its not just visual? |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6433
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:53:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:How about either removing the recoil or fixing it so its not just visual?
No, that is a purposeful balancing feature.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:58:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:How about either removing the recoil or fixing it so its not just visual? No, that is a purposeful balancing feature.
Im confused. Wouldn't legitimate recoil be better? I don't understand "visual" recoil. Doesn't make sense |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.16 03:07:00 -
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Howaboot you make the visual recoil LESS FOOKING OBNOXIOUS, mate?
It's an eye irritant, I tell ya.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6433
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:02:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:How about either removing the recoil or fixing it so its not just visual? No, that is a purposeful balancing feature. Im confused. Wouldn't legitimate recoil be better? I don't understand "visual" recoil. Doesn't make sense
Visual recoil denotes that it makes the weapon appear extremely innacurate, though in reality the weapon settles itself again before the next shot because of its high center speed which completely negates the high recoil making the only consequence be visual.
It's a sort of balancing feature that keeps everyone who seeks an easy weapon from using it.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:04:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Howaboot you make the visual recoil LESS FOOKING OBNOXIOUS, mate?
It's an eye irritant, I tell ya.
That is what keeps this weapon balance. To make the visual recoil better would make this weapon OP.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1370
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:08:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:How about either removing the recoil or fixing it so its not just visual? No, that is a purposeful balancing feature. Im confused. Wouldn't legitimate recoil be better? I don't understand "visual" recoil. Doesn't make sense Visual recoil denotes that it makes the weapon appear extremely innacurate, though in reality the weapon settles itself again before the next shot because of its high center speed which completely negates the high recoil making the only consequence be visual. It's a sort of balancing feature that keeps everyone who seeks an easy weapon from using it.
Except its a feature of the Assault variant rifles to be a bit easier to use. They are they first weapons a new player will ever hold in their hands in most cases.
Making them artificially difficult to use isn't helping new player retention at all.
Remember than most newbros will be coming from games with simpler gameplay mechanics. Slapping them in the face with the complex mechanics of Dust, and a weapon that is deceptively difficult to use will just end up turning many people away. Its already enough that the weapon does overheat at all to confuse and frustrate some newbies.
The Shaking and Flashing needs to be reduced or removed in some combination. I'm not sure how much, but it needs it.
Please, make my Opus pretty...
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6434
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:19:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:
Except its a feature of the Assault variant rifles to be a bit easier to use. They are they first weapons a new player will ever hold in their hands in most cases.
Making them artificially difficult to use isn't helping new player retention at all.
Remember than most newbros will be coming from games with simpler gameplay mechanics. Slapping them in the face with the complex mechanics of Dust, and a weapon that is deceptively difficult to use will just end up turning many people away. Its already enough that the weapon does overheat at all to confuse and frustrate some newbies.
The Shaking and Flashing needs to be reduced or removed in some combination. I'm not sure how much, but it needs it.
Then we must also reduce the mathematical effectiveness of the weapon because this obstruction is the only thing keeping the weapon in check.
Let us also note that many weapons in COD have this same recoil peculiarity. The Kalashnikov series of weapons exemplifies this visual recoil pattern albeit with a vertical bias rather than a horizontal bias. Yet, the AK's in COD are seen as some of the best weapons in the series among skilled and unskilled users.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Howaboot you make the visual recoil LESS FOOKING OBNOXIOUS, mate?
It's an eye irritant, I tell ya. That is what keeps this weapon balance. To make the visual recoil better would make this weapon OP.
Prove it, mate.
Prove that pretty much the only thing keeping the currently under-performing ASCR in check is something that is cosmetic.
I recommend using maths. Or spreadsheets. Or video comparisons. Something more than your mere word.
And never mind that making something visually less obnoxious does not equate to complete removal.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:32:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Howaboot you make the visual recoil LESS FOOKING OBNOXIOUS, mate?
It's an eye irritant, I tell ya. That is what keeps this weapon balance. To make the visual recoil better would make this weapon OP. Prove it, mate. Prove that pretty much the only thing keeping the currently under-performing ASCR in check is something that is cosmetic. I recommend using maths. Or spreadsheets. Or video comparisons. Something more than your mere word. And never mind that making something visually less obnoxious does not equate to complete removal.
Here is the thing about something visual. You could only test it through polling the player base pre patch and post patch. I doubt that CCP wishes to go through this complex process to make a suitable choice.
If you want personal proof, then go use the ASCR. If you do not wish to, then this dialogue has reached a stand still with neither you nor I able to contribute anything more yo satisfy the other.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:42:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:
Except its a feature of the Assault variant rifles to be a bit easier to use. They are they first weapons a new player will ever hold in their hands in most cases.
Making them artificially difficult to use isn't helping new player retention at all.
Remember than most newbros will be coming from games with simpler gameplay mechanics. Slapping them in the face with the complex mechanics of Dust, and a weapon that is deceptively difficult to use will just end up turning many people away. Its already enough that the weapon does overheat at all to confuse and frustrate some newbies.
The Shaking and Flashing needs to be reduced or removed in some combination. I'm not sure how much, but it needs it.
Then we must also reduce the mathematical effectiveness of the weapon because this obstruction is the only thing keeping the weapon in check. Let us also note that many weapons in COD have this same recoil peculiarity. The Kalashnikov series of weapons exemplifies this visual recoil pattern albeit with a vertical bias rather than a horizontal bias. Yet, the AK's in COD are seen as some of the best weapons in the series among skilled and unskilled users.
I do remember that the AK is actually the last item that is unlocked in MW2 Multiplayer. And it was actually considered by pretty much everyone to be the very worst assault rifle in the game.
MW2 is actually the last CoD I ever really got into though, so things may be completely different nowadays for all I know.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:46:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Howaboot you make the visual recoil LESS FOOKING OBNOXIOUS, mate?
It's an eye irritant, I tell ya. That is what keeps this weapon balance. To make the visual recoil better would make this weapon OP. Prove it, mate. Prove that pretty much the only thing keeping the currently under-performing ASCR in check is something that is cosmetic. I recommend using maths. Or spreadsheets. Or video comparisons. Something more than your mere word. And never mind that making something visually less obnoxious does not equate to complete removal. Here is the thing about something visual. You could only test it through polling the player base pre patch and post patch. I doubt that CCP wishes to go through this complex process to make a suitable choice. If you want personal proof, then go use the ASCR. If you do not wish to, then this dialogue has reached a stand still with neither you nor I able to contribute anything more yo satisfy the other.
I use the ASCR. I find the visual effect obnoxious. Want to know what keeps me from getting a kill, 9 times out of ten, with my damage modded, 3 proficiency ASCR? The damage profile. I would say that the +20/-20 does a helluva lot more to keep the weapon from being OP than some cosmetic recoil.
Even still, it is entirely possible to alter the effect to be less obnoxious while also retaining any potential "visual balancing thingamabobs."
So I still say, make it less obnoxious. I want the act of firing to be more enjoyable.
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
689
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Posted - 2014.12.16 05:05:00 -
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I think the weapon is fine as is; the hipfire is excellent, the mag size is huge, the reserve ammo is plentiful, and it absolutely shreds shields in CQC due to the combination of full-auto and good hipfire.
The -20% to armor is the only thing keeping it from being op tbh. |
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