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Nirwanda Vaughns 1053	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:31:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Agreed. I've seen some ISK payout numbers floated that were too high, but close to 300k sounds right to me. The key point on my end is that ISK payout should actually have a very wide margin. Of 150k up to maybe 750k, based on performance. So the way you play makes a difference in how much you make. i had a pretty rough skirmish once and got 63k Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Nox Lupos 72	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:31:00 - [32] - Quote Agreed Rocking all skills V, Scout Mk.0, and may I say, "CORE LOCUS GRENADES ARE AMAZING" BPO collector.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:41:00 - [33] - Quote Opposed Public match (skirmish, ambush and domination) doesn-¦t need more isk reward, Run Basic and ADV... If you have a Prototype... run in Planetary Conquest and FW... or why not ?... Maybe a Public Match-"hard mode" so you only can enter with a proto... and the max reward will be 1M .
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:42:00 - [34] - Quote Mortedeamor Agrees Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Catgirl White Mage Nekomimi Paradise 27	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:56:00 - [35] - Quote I agree to a small increase, however I believe it should be paired with a reassessment on the costs of everything in the game. Right now every type of specialized suit has a uniform cost. This does not make sense. Given the economic focus of much of New Eden, items in this game should have a cost both reflective of their likelihood to be lost and their necessary 'level' of technology needed to create them. Logistics and Assault suits should be the cheapest in the game, the ones most likely to writ off as an assumed loss. Sentinel and Scouts suits on the other hands would have a lower chance of expected death in their intended use scenarios and also would have more 'technology/resources' put into their manufacture (Advanced systems for Scout and Armor, Exoskeletal aspects for Sentinel), so they would be more expensive in comparison. However, I am not so much suggesting an increase to any items cost but rather a lowering of the costs of certain suits and items that it makes good sense to be cheap/high chance of loss in battle. Equipment for example should be quite a bit cheaper than it is now. Nanohives are intended to be 'lost' where as Scanners and Cloaking Devices, not so much. This would in effect 'buff' Isk payouts because the amount of Isk lost in battle will be reduced for the majority of people. It can be used as another balancing lever between class types.
Ku Shala The Generals 1065	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:56:00 - [36] - Quote its not the top end of the payouts that need adjusting its the newberries that go 0/6 (or worse) trying to afford skill books. just increase minimum payout for playing an entire match to 120k isk + *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
7th Son 7 United Logistics Division 9	Posted - 2014.12.15 17:48:00 - [37] - Quote agreed! agreed! agreed!
GeneraI John Ripper 18	Posted - 2014.12.15 17:49:00 - [38] - Quote signed. tacos.o/ I am the original badass.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 874	Posted - 2014.12.15 19:08:00 - [39] - Quote Opposed. Fine as they are. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1960	Posted - 2014.12.15 19:42:00 - [40] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Opposed. Fine as they are. Then was liking my comment an accident? [RYJC]

PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 377	Posted - 2014.12.15 21:11:00 - [41] - Quote Reserved. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1238	Posted - 2014.12.15 22:48:00 - [42] - Quote Agreed We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Vordred Knight T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 569	Posted - 2014.12.15 23:33:00 - [43] - Quote Yes. No. Viktor. 780000 Don't Do Drugs while playing Eve
cris bleu Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 22	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:27:00 - [44] - Quote Opposed
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 93	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:34:00 - [45] - Quote Agree Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1317	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:40:00 - [46] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: If you want higher payouts (300k - 400k) put 'agreed' if you want it to stay put 'opposed' *Agreed* Thumb Green Heimdallr69 abdullah muzaffer Bloody 619 Confusing Minotaur Starlight Burner *Opposed* sir RAVEN WING. thehellisgoingon Confusing Minotaur Viktor Viktor Hadah Jr G Felix Confusing Minotaur Agreed Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
TritusX PH4NT0M5 57	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:44:00 - [47] - Quote Why not agree? More money for everyone :) Of course there's those PC scrubs who are scared that the increase of money will bring in better corps to uphold them >:D If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15939	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:47:00 - [48] - Quote I'm on Viktor's team. The richest team always wins! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
JUPA SACH 308	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:52:00 - [49] - Quote Agreed. Karma
ImIvan 71	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:55:00 - [50] - Quote Opposed Why must you use prototypes?

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5471	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:03:00 - [51] - Quote Agreed. Please note that I think anyone opposed is a ******* idiot. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
FaZe Riot FaZe Gamings 34	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:05:00 - [52] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: Yes. No. Viktor. 780000 I'm also on team 780000 The Good The Bad AND The REKT
Uncle AWOL Protheans BetaMax. 85	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:08:00 - [53] - Quote Agreed.
Robocop Junior research lab 967	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:12:00 - [54] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Agreed. Please note that I think anyone opposed is a ******* idiot. Agreed! If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 751	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:20:00 - [55] - Quote Gonna leave this here. This is something I typed up for another discussion with a couple variants. THE NUMBERS ARE JUST OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION'S SAKE. Here is something I've been kicking around for a while. Set it so each "position" on the end of match killboard has a set ISK amount. Then use a multiplier with WP to come to a total figure. The highest 4 members of the team are (likely)pretty equal contributors so they deserve the same baseline payout. The next 4 contributed but not to the same level of the top 4. From there down, it digresses quickly to the last place player. 1st place. 120 k 2. 120 k 3. 120 k 4. 120 k 5. 100 k 6. 100 k 7. 100 k 8. 100 k 9. 90 k 10: 90 k 11: 80 k 12: 70 k 13: 60 k 14: 50 k 15: 40 k 16: 25 k Then take the individual's WP's and multiply them by "x" and then multiply that with the total payout. For example, for an Ambush match, I'll use .0025. I am on top of the board after the match and I get 1500 WP. We take 1500 WP X .0025 = 3.75. 3.75 X my first place baseline payout of 120k = 450000 2nd player gets 1100 WP. 1100x.0025 is 2.75 X 100k = 330000 6th player for example makes 740 WP 1100 x .0025 is 1.85 x 100k = 185,000 Just to look at it, 9th place player gets 400 WP. 400 x .0025. He is making 90k. Anyone who has less than 400 WP would go into the negative, so their payout would be less than their basepay. So we set it so basepay is the MINIMUM anyone will be paid. If the top player goes apeshit and puts up 4000 WP or more, that is where we have some issues that need to be worked out. We have 4000 x .0025 for 10 X 120k is 1.2 Million ISK. However, we are not seeing 4000 WP put up in Ambush (Normally). So what I would do is adjust the multiplier on the type of match. Ambush are the quickest so they will not have as high WP totals as a Dom or skirmish. So for Dom and Skirm, we change the multiplier to say .0015. 4000 WP * .0015 is 6 x 120k is a 720,000 ISK payout. Right in what I believe is a sweet spot. Not too ridiculous but enough to make it worth the person's while. Those matches where you have one person putting up 6000 WP is cracking a million at 1,080,000 People who are AFK'ing are going to be sitting there making a total of 25k ISK (not worth it) and those trying to help the team will be rewarded. Even in the stomp-matches, those who have the most WP overall will be rewarded for the effort. These #'s are just theoretical and could be moved/adjusted. Honestly, if we wanted to just set the baseline at 120K for all slots I would be fine with it. I just feel like 120k is enough of an incentive to make AFK'ing worth their while. There would be another option I just thought of to fix that. To make sure the player is participating, just have a holder in place stating that in order to get paid, the individual needs to have any of the following 3 things: 1 Kill, 1 Death, 25 WP. If none of those are met, then the person is obviously AFKing and deserves no pay. Any thoughts/comments? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Robocop Junior research lab 967	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:24:00 - [56] - Quote ^^^YUMBO! If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
roblox098 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 35	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:53:00 - [57] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: If you want higher payouts (300k - 400k) put 'agreed' if you want it to stay put 'opposed' *Agreed* Thumb Green Heimdallr69 abdullah muzaffer Bloody 619 Confusing Minotaur Starlight Burner Cayton II Alex-ZX Sir Dukey Tritus X JUPA SACH Thor Odinson42 Uncle AWOL Syeven Reed Sequel Rise Immortal John Ripper *Opposed* sir RAVEN WING. thehellisgoingon Confusing Minotaur cris bleu ImIvan Steavez Wingyip Viktor Viktor Hadah Jr G Felix Confusing Minotaur Vorderd Knight True Adamance sir RAVEN WING FaZe Riot aggreed Assault ck.0 and future ak.0
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 751	Posted - 2014.12.16 02:11:00 - [58] - Quote Forgot to state my side... Agreed. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.


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