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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:56:00 -
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Two things I envy about the Minmatar: Dat strafe and their commando's bonus to swarm launcher damage. This topic is about the latter.
Myself, I like making my fits distinct enough from eachother so that I can clearly tell what role I can fill in a match when I call upon a specific loadout. As you may imagine, I ran into a problem when making a Commando fit .. it was too similar to an assault. So I figured, hey, I'll fit a Swarm launcher in there and run a bonused light weapon to defend myself much better than if I was running some other suit with swarms and a mere side-arm.
This is my current Commando fit, swarms and a light weapon. It is my AV suit and I like it. However, notice how I said I envied the Minmatar at the start of the topic. Indeed, the Minmatar commando reaps the benefits of the swarm launcher being considered an explosive weapon. We have a problem here. Why should the role of light AV be restricted to the Minmatar commando ?(gallente has the plasma cannon I guess, but still, that leaves Caldari and Amarr with a clear disadvantage in the light AV role)
My suggestion: Make swarm launcher variants that deal EM, thermal, and kinetic damage types. Make it so that when an EM swarm is fitted to an Amarr commando, for example, the laser weapon bonus applies, and so on.
The result:
-Clear defined light AV role for commandos (as opposed to bad assault suits).
-Swarm launchers that can do more other than make shield tankers laugh. |
abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:02:00 -
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..wait, you're telling me my minmando can strafe? 0.o
Edit: Only if it gets a survivability buff, minmando as a suit is crap, its the bonus that makes it soooo good |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:13:00 -
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this isn't about taking something away from the minmando, it's about giving the other commandos the same fitting options.
Again, the minmatar commando only has bonused swarms due to swarms initially being a weapon with explosive damage profile, this should change to benefit all commandos equally, those who want to be light AV role. |
Isa Lucifer
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:28:00 -
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good idea and effort, but I think an Amarr heavy weapon will fill in the gap.
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Kierkegaard Soren
THE HANDS OF DEATH
RUST415
592
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:29:00 -
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What we really need here is racial parity for light AV. Swarms really should be at thier best when in the hands of the Caldari; it is blatantly thier tech. Make swarms deal hybrid-rail damage so that the calmando has a viable AV option, give Amarr a breach-type laser rifle that does full damage efficiency to vehicles and re-skin a swarm launcher to make it look like matari tech and give that the old mechanics of the origonal plasma cannon, but dealing explosive damage of course. A direct-fire explosive bombardment cannon is very minmatar, no?
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:42:00 -
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Pretty sure Swarms and missles in general are Minmatar. Checked out the Titan DDay weapon firing videos on you tube. |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:49:00 -
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Swarms are Caldari tech and missiles are Caldari's primary offensive systems. (Hybrids being secondary).
@Isa Lucifer: That's cool, but doesn't justify why Minmatar (and Gallente with the PlC I guess) should be the only race with bonused light AV weaponry.
@Kierkegaard: Ideally, but I'm just spitballing something easy to implement here. I think it's easy anyway, add 3 swarm variants with all stats identical except damage profile and an indication on the name of the variant and item description. |
Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:40:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:
-Swarm launchers that can do more other than make shield tankers laugh.
You clearly haven't fought swarmers in an ADS.
God and Empress kill me, I'm a level three forum warrior.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.15 03:34:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Greasepalms wrote:
-Swarm launchers that can do more other than make shield tankers laugh.
You clearly haven't fought swarmers in an ADS.
ADSs aren't tankers.
The 1st Matari Commando
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15896
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Posted - 2014.12.15 03:54:00 -
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Just have the Khanid make our Commando suits.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2014.12.15 03:56:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Pretty sure Swarms and missles in general are Minmatar. Checked out the Titan DDay weapon firing videos on you tube.
They are Caldari, through and through.
Caldari specialize in missile tech and dabble in railguns. Wykiromi Make the swarm launchers, they are a Caldari company. And the aesthetics are clearly Caldari (monotone grey, hard edges, etc.)
What we need to do is give the bonus to damage to the Caldari as well.
Do not go gentle into that good night;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
495
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:00:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Pretty sure Swarms and missles in general are Minmatar. Checked out the Titan DDay weapon firing videos on you tube. They are Caldari, through and through. Caldari specialize in missile tech and dabble in railguns. Wykiromi Make the swarm launchers, they are a Caldari company. And the aesthetics are clearly Caldari (monotone grey, hard edges, etc.) What we need to do is give the bonus to damage to the Caldari as well.
I stand corrected. |
Meeko Fent
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:25:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Pretty sure Swarms and missles in general are Minmatar. Checked out the Titan DDay weapon firing videos on you tube.
Min and Cal share explosives, but differ in tech. Cal are guided and precise, Min are throw ing sticks of dynamite from the space window.
Orks v Imperial Guard.
The Caldari are TL9, Min are TL6.
GURPS guys get it.
I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:43:00 -
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I would rather see a light laser doing the AV job.
Making shieldcracking swarm launchers pretty much marginalizes all other AV options.
Swarms become the optimal solution to all AV worries.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Foehammerr
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:46:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I would rather see a light laser doing the AV job.
Making shieldcracking swarm launchers pretty much marginalizes all other AV options.
Swarms become the optimal solution to all AV worries.
> implying they already aren't.
Rangers Lead The Way!
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