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PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 375	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:51:00 - [1] - Quote Armour is only more effective because they can have more hp and better reps without sacrificing much. Shield are to low and require modules to make them better. Just improve every module a little and they will be balanced. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:03:00 - [2] - Quote I think it's fair that shields give less because they don't have speed penalties. You could run 4x complex shield extenders on a cal scout with 2 complex kinkats and be usain bolt Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8820	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:05:00 - [3] - Quote I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 375	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:06:00 - [4] - Quote if they increase recharge amount and that should be enough. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 122	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:18:00 - [5] - Quote Well, I've skilled into everything and use everything and I will say that I agree. Shields need a buff. It doesn't matter about speed penalties or crap. The fact that it's the first thing to take damage and that it can't be repaired while taking damage is a real bummer. This is why I don't like my caldari suits. I propose to 1 decrease 5% armor to all caldari dropsuits and 2 give all caldari 10% more shields. After that is done, we can move onto modules. 1 increase amount/percentage of shield extenders. They are very weak and useless. I literally don't even use extenders, I use high slots for damage mods and ewar and regen. 2 give caldari ONLY the ability to regen their shields while taking damage the same way gallente have a standard armor regen ability. Make it small like 2% shield so that it's not to effective. 3 reduse charge up delay. Now you have a caldari dropsuit whose shield can compete to the armor of let's say gallente and who's armor is the same ratio to the gallente shield. Now the caldari shield provides tiny resistance/ regen as it takes damage the same way armor reps still work while taking damage. Finally, caldari dropsuits now have to wait very little to get their shields charging the same way armor repairs instantly. 48th Special Operations Force. "As a team or alone, I dominate the battlefield."
Catgirl White Mage Nekomimi Paradise 27	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:22:00 - [6] - Quote Is there some particular reason there couldn't be 3 versions of Shield Extenders in the same way Armor has 3 versions? The current normal Extenders could be likened to Ferroscale. Then another version that has high max HP but significantly penalized recharge rate, equivalent to Armor Plates. Then a lower HP version with faster recharge. Personally. I feel that there should not be two ancillary Shield modules. Faster Recharge and Lower Delay should be the same module, with all shield delays altered on suits on a racial basis. The only particular problem with this.. is that someone would stick on High Hp Shield "Plates" then dual tank with High Armor too. It would require some sort of stacking penalty. Which to be honest their probably should have always been a stacking penalty on HP modules. It you throw on a few sure, but brick taking would be less efficient and I think that's good in general.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 122	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote This then defines all races. Amarr- able to tank shields and armor at the cost of regen Gallente- able to have tank armor with armor repairing =ƒæå=ƒæç both regen while tanking damage. Caldari- able to tank shields with shield regen Minmatar- able to regen both very quickly at the cost of tanking. This will definitely make me use shields 48th Special Operations Force. "As a team or alone, I dominate the battlefield."
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3118	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:34:00 - [8] - Quote To balance shields, just a few small changes would go a long way. 1. Make the scrambler profile +15/-15, but keep beam +20/-20, so that there is a mirror profile to projectile, and shields aren't instagibbed every time a scrub with a scrambler decides to tap R1 twice. Also helps make the ScR more viable, though Id expect it to be very overused once this happened. 2. Add threshold damage equal to your shield recharge rate, that resets after 10 seconds, so that damage you take doesn't stop recharge until it excedes the threshold, and then after that your recharge breaks down. Resets after ^10 seconds. 3. Give Minmitar suits recharge delays lower than the current Caldari ones (except scouts, which should just switch delays between Min and Cal), buff recharge rate slightly on the Min and Cal, and slightly increase Cal delays. 4. Slightly buff rechargers, energizers, and regulators "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3118	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:35:00 - [9] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: This then defines all races. Amarr- able to tank shields and armor at the cost of regen Gallente- able to have tank armor with armor repairing =ƒæå=ƒæç both regen while taking damage. Caldari- able to tank shields with shield regen Minmatar- able to regen both very quickly at the cost of tanking. This will definitely make me use shields Except minmitar have only slightly better shield recharge than Gallente, and only slightly better armor regen than amarr. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
LT Dans Legs Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 532	Posted - 2014.12.14 07:54:00 - [10] - Quote This games twitchy enough already. Nerfing the hp on plates will just make it twitchier. Bad idea me thinks To Live Is To Die

Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5517	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:22:00 - [11] - Quote I really don't see a reason to mess with either. I think a lot of people use armor suits because it frees up all their Highs for Damage Mods. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 611	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I think it's fair that shields give less because they don't have speed penalties. You could run 4x complex shield extenders on a cal scout with 2 complex kinkats and be usain bolt Ferroscale plates? Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 611	Posted - 2014.12.14 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. The threshold is all it needs ATM, 1 dmg resets the delay and stops the recharge. Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 377	Posted - 2014.12.14 19:29:00 - [14] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: To balance shields, just a few small changes would go a long way. 1. Make the scrambler profile +15/-15, but keep beam +20/-20, so that there is a mirror profile to projectile, and shields aren't instagibbed every time a scrub with a scrambler decides to tap R1 twice. Also helps make the ScR more viable, though Id expect it to be very overused once this happened. 2. Add threshold damage equal to your shield recharge rate, that resets after 10 seconds, so that damage you take doesn't stop recharge until it excedes the threshold, and then after that your recharge breaks down. Resets after ^10 seconds. 3. Give Minmitar suits recharge delays lower than the current Caldari ones (except scouts, which should just switch delays between Min and Cal), buff recharge rate slightly on the Min and Cal, and slightly increase Cal delays. 4. Slightly buff rechargers, energizers, and regulators I like that number 2. So you regen until 15% or 10% of your shields are gone. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1227	Posted - 2014.12.14 22:11:00 - [15] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. Actually i have cake right now. Guess what i ate it We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 493	Posted - 2014.12.15 00:39:00 - [16] - Quote I don't think you need to buff shields TBH. Maybe take away the delay regen penalty of extenders but that would be the extent of it. Armor HP should definitely NOT be nerfed.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1353	Posted - 2014.12.15 00:48:00 - [17] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. Actually i have cake right now. Guess what i ate it Do you understand that saying? Please, make my Opus pretty...
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1234	Posted - 2014.12.15 05:52:00 - [18] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. Actually i have cake right now. Guess what i ate it Do you understand that saying? Yes i do but why have cake when you can't eat it. Just stupid We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 204	Posted - 2014.12.15 06:02:00 - [19] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. Actually i have cake right now. Guess what i ate it Technically if you have eaten your cake as you state you no longer have it. If you have cake right now you have not yet eaten it Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1235	Posted - 2014.12.15 06:04:00 - [20] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I would prefer people learn how to actually fit their suits and then we can discuss balance. As is, the people that whine most about it are the people that want to have cake and eat it too. Shields do however need a threshold of damage so regen isn't stopped by just anything. Actually i have cake right now. Guess what i ate it Technically if you have eaten your cake as you state you no longer have it. If you have cake right now you have not yet eaten it I had cake and ate it as i had it. You sir stop the inception We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3573	Posted - 2014.12.15 06:07:00 - [21] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I think it's fair that shields give less because they don't have speed penalties. You could run 4x complex shield extenders on a cal scout with 2 complex kinkats and be usain bolt You are deliberating omitting the fact that armor tankers have different choices for armor tanking. The ferroscale armor plate has ZERO movement penalty and it yields more hp than shield extenders. > Check RND out here
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2273	Posted - 2014.12.15 06:24:00 - [22] - Quote Shields need a damage threshold. That much is certain. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1357	Posted - 2014.12.15 07:25:00 - [23] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Zindorak wrote: I think it's fair that shields give less because they don't have speed penalties. You could run 4x complex shield extenders on a cal scout with 2 complex kinkats and be usain bolt You are deliberating omitting the fact that armor tankers have different choices for armor tanking. The ferroscale armor plate has ZERO movement penalty and it yields more hp than shield extenders. And you are deliberately omitting that the base regen of shields is far and beyond much better than the base regen for armor, on any and every suit. A shield suit with 4-5 Extenders would absolutely destroy a armor suit with 4-5 Ferroscales. The Armor suit would still need to equip repair modules, so in the end, the shield suit would end up with more HP and regen. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5767	Posted - 2014.12.15 10:40:00 - [24] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Armour is only more effective because they can have more hp and better reps without sacrificing much. Shield are to low and require modules to make them better. Just improve every module a little and they will be balanced. Nicely done, very smooth OP. I was going to agree with you until you said armor can get better reps without sacrificing much. Nicely pulled there. 9/10. Would definitely read again. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 283	Posted - 2014.12.15 13:10:00 - [25] - Quote Shields on every suit have more recovery health per second than armor. Base armor reps do not exceed 3hp/s and that's only on the gallente scout. It all comes down to if your rocking a shield or armor dominant suit and what the enemy you run into us using. If your shield based and they have a shield proficient weapon then they will have the advantage. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1235	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:13:00 - [26] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Shields on every suit have more recovery health per second than armor. Base armor reps do not exceed 3hp/s and that's only on the gallente scout. It all comes down to if your rocking a shield or armor dominant suit and what the enemy you run into us using. If your shield based and they have a shield proficient weapon then they will have the advantage. But if their armor based and you have a armor weapon. You'll still die We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 603	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote lol @ people always affirming how armor regen is crap compared to shields' and always bringing the regen factor in shields-armor comparison. As you know, Armor regen'ing has totally zero delay. This means that you are always gaining hp/s, even if you are taking damage, significantly increasing the TTK on you. Shield regen of course is twice times higher, but it has a delay to start regen'ing, meaning that if they lose even one single GODDAMN HP, the regen will stop and you will have to wait those meaningful seconds to start regenerating again. Two-five seconds (at best) are too much to wait if you are facing a skilled player who will constant shoot you to don't let your shield regen, although you keep going from cover to cover to regen some HP. I'd also like to point out that making a competitive pure shield tanked caldari assault fit requires higher amounts of CPU and quite the same PG, and seven slots -out of eight dedicated to shields- vs five. Modules-CPU-PG-HP dedicated to make a competitive pure shield tanking fit. Modules-CPU-PG-HP dedicated to make a competitive armor tanking fit. Make an objective comparison of the two and you'll find out they're not overall equal. And don't even nominate the strafe and speed that armor tankers lose, they're compensated by dat stamina and a damage modded ScR. Join the UP army! Spec into Cal and Gal assault today!
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 77	Posted - 2014.12.15 17:01:00 - [28] - Quote CAL gear needs an adjustment to movement speed, sprint speed, stamina and stamina regeneration; because we need to run away faster in FW.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3977	Posted - 2014.12.15 17:05:00 - [29] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Armour is only more effective because they can have more hp and better reps without sacrificing much. Shield are to low and require modules to make them better. Just improve every module a little and they will be balanced. Could you explain to me why you consider armor reps to be better than shield regen? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 604	Posted - 2014.12.15 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: CAL gear needs an adjustment to movement speed, sprint speed, stamina and stamina regeneration; because we need to run away faster in FW. This is kinda sad... Ahhh, the sad truth. Join the UP army! Spec into Cal and Gal assault today!



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