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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:58:00 - [1] - Quote WTF ? Bonus to Hives ???? XDDDDD Most useless bonus in the game
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Capital Punishment. 2899	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:15:00 - [2] - Quote The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Vicious Minotaur 1466	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:33:00 - [3] - Quote Hey, now. Hives almost give reasonable WP amounts when placed near an objective and stuff. Plus, having ammo for the shooty shooty is nice. But yeah, it is lackluster for a bonus. If you want a useless bonuses, look at the Caldari assault. Although apparently, if CCP Rat is to be trusted, there is much resistance to changing its bonus. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1755	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:37:00 - [4] - Quote ^cal assault bonus isn't too bad it just needs something else on top of it - and the majority want a kick reduction for the cal assault. As far as cal logi goes if they had another equipment slot they could carry ammo, uplinks, injectors and a rep tool. The cal logi bonus can be quite nice but its ultimately situational and it's put on a suit that has a lot of problems (CPU/pg & slots). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:18:00 - [5] - Quote Any new ideas for the Cal Assault & Cal Logi bonus ?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1047	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. they should get a decrease on the charge time Should Legion be on the ps4?
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3892	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. they should get a decrease on the charge time This, also a std. breach could out dps my Kali at 40m yesterday lmfao Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1047	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:23:00 - [8] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. they should get a decrease on the charge time This, also a std. breach could out dps my Kali at 40m yesterday lmfao Should Legion be on the ps4?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2650	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:26:00 - [9] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: WTF ? Bonus to Hives ???? XDDDDD Most useless bonus in the game Obviously have never stepped into a proper Cal Logi's nanohive. The problem isn't with the bonus... It's with Equipment in general. They lowered the health values of equipment to all one static value and turned them into a 1 flux all vanish scenario. Caldari Nanohives should be rocking 400 health. And take some time to remove from the field... Not a bullet or two. A proper Caldari Logi Nanohive can completely change the way you defend or assault an objective.. But with how wet paper bag and expendable equipment has turned into... Has nerfed the suit. Nothing else.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1527	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:41:00 - [10] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. t(-_-t) everybody hating on the Cal Assault bonus !!!! It is a good bonus for the Caldari weapons and is good in combat The Am/Mn bonuses are strong and do outclass it, but the Caldari is good The Bonus is not the problem with it... Slots 5/3 while lacking the PG to make full use of primary tank.. 5/4 would be perfect as with Logi, but that throws off balance in suits Shield tanking is useless Vs Flux spam/ScR alpha DMG so that also kicks it Shield delays need looking at either lowering them or increasing the bonuses there The main problem with Caldari Assault is, it's not OP

NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 730	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:51:00 - [11] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. People that think this don't understand how to use the bonus. I'd prob delete each and every Cal Assault fitting if this was removed. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2652	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:52:00 - [12] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The Reload bonus on Caldari Assault is worse. t(-_-t) everybody hating on the Cal Assault bonus !!!! It is a good bonus for the Caldari weapons and is good in combat The Am/Mn bonuses are strong and do outclass it, but the Caldari is good The Bonus is not the problem with it... Slots 5/3 while lacking the PG to make full use of primary tank.. 5/4 would be perfect as with Logi, but that throws off balance in suits Shield tanking is useless Vs Flux spam/ScR alpha DMG so that also kicks it Shield delays need looking at either lowering them or increasing the bonuses there The main problem with Caldari Assault is, it's not OP Shield regulators in general need to be looked at. There was a time where everyone had these fitted on their shield suits. Now it makes more sense to brick tank then specialize your tank... That needs addressing for the balance between shield and armor. Maybe a shield suit get's a bonus to the efficacy of Shield regulators? Armor suits are getting a natural Health regen built in these days for the counter?
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 730	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:54:00 - [13] - Quote Major problems with Caldari Logi is it was nerfed back when it was a slayer logi. We need to free up some of the CPU back and maybe look at what was wrong with the extender bonus with the new meta. The game has evolved so much since the days of the slayer logi and it still is in CCP Jail from the old gameplay. With scrambler riffles being so devastating to shields and the buffed AR we should revisit some Cal Logi love. Seriously, leave the Cal Assault out of this cause the assault bonus is FINE. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1716	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:07:00 - [14] - Quote im mini... i don't use 4 repair tools. perhaps instead of the 4 piles of hives you will do better with other equipment also. my hives burn out fast so do my uplinks. yours will last longer in the right situation. use them to maximum effect All Hail Legion
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3893	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:17:00 - [15] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Major problems with Caldari Logi is it was nerfed back when it was a slayer logi. We need to free up some of the CPU back and maybe look at what was wrong with the extender bonus with the new meta. The game has evolved so much since the days of the slayer logi and it still is in CCP Jail from the old gameplay. With scrambler riffles being so devastating to shields and the buffed AR we should revisit some Cal Logi love. Seriously, leave the Cal Assault out of this cause the assault bonus is FINE. A lot of people were wanting two bonuses for assaults, keep the current ones and add more effective ones for cal/ gal. Give Amarr/Min less effective ones but keep their current ones as well. Cal would be reload,charge. gal hipfire, etc. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 732	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:25:00 - [16] - Quote Stay on topic and leave the assault bonus out. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3/ ^^ BTW Here was the Caldari Logi CPU Nerf from back in 1.3. I think they put the bonus to Regulators was to keep people from stacking armor and shields to make a brick tank suit. Tell ya what the Cal logi dies so easy it might need a ninja look and love for the echo changes. LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of bonus to nano hive health a flat 400HP bonus to all hives. Hell if you could even put in a resistance to some flux damage that would be interesting as well. We should invest some energy in examining a good balance with this in mind. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:44:00 - [17] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: WTF ? Bonus to Hives ???? XDDDDD Most useless bonus in the game Obviously have never stepped into a proper Cal Logi's nanohive. The problem isn't with the bonus... It's with Equipment in general. They lowered the health values of equipment to all one static value and turned them into a 1 flux all vanish scenario. Caldari Nanohives should be rocking 400 health. And take some time to remove from the field... Not a bullet or two. A proper Caldari Logi Nanohive can completely change the way you defend or assault an objective.. But with how wet paper bag and expendable equipment has turned into... Has nerfed the suit. Nothing else. I'd be all for this
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1397	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:47:00 - [18] - Quote Not really iwas in a squad with a pro cal logi and the ammo was really helpful so i don't think its that bad Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2769	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:48:00 - [19] - Quote You know the funny thing about Caldari logis? Like Minmatar logis full armour suits gain greater benefit than shield brethren. We need shield hives and shield repair! "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 597	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:01:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ^cal assault bonus isn't too bad it just needs something else on top of it - and the majority want a kick reduction for the cal assault. As far as cal logi goes if they had another equipment slot they could carry ammo, uplinks, injectors and a rep tool. The cal logi bonus can be quite nice but its ultimately situational and it's put on a suit that has a lot of problems (CPU/pg & slots). The Cal assault bonus IS THAT BAD. I mean come on reload speed? The only bonus between the Assaults that you can also get from the skill tree? What a ******* joke. Take a bow

Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You know the funny thing about Caldari logis? Like Minmatar logis full armour suits gain greater benefit than shield brethren. We need shield hives and shield repair! Funny you mention that, given that the Caldari Race created the Nanohive which doesn't even benefit themselves.
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 33	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:56:00 - [22] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ^cal assault bonus isn't too bad it just needs something else on top of it - and the majority want a kick reduction for the cal assault. As far as cal logi goes if they had another equipment slot they could carry ammo, uplinks, injectors and a rep tool. The cal logi bonus can be quite nice but its ultimately situational and it's put on a suit that has a lot of problems (CPU/pg & slots). I like the cal logi. I use it to slay rather than a logi. Just wish it had a side weapon. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 282	Posted - 2014.12.14 01:25:00 - [23] - Quote Quite obviously you know nohing, have no experience in using advanced + nanohives and callogi, and haven't put any thought into this post. Since when would portable ammo supplies and portable medic boxes that you could farm war points from be useless? With advanced an up, everyone benefits from it. The only thing wrong about the callogi is how most damage profiles viciously shred through shields, how the callogi's cpu/pg is gimped, and how this bandwidth update in some aspects make logistics suits that use deployable inefficient. Incompetence is not being able to stop a weapon from being omni-range effective, give it proper recoil or dispersion.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 732	Posted - 2014.12.14 17:46:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah, I have problems with survivability with the Cal Logi. With the new meta I'll be trying a Ewar version of the Caldari logi if I have a few heavies to hide behind. You can make a OK slayer fit with it but when the assault buff came out there is really no point unless you want to carry 3 compact hives around for micro rep. The double proto rep hives is just a gimic when you armor stack. Your stuck to one spot and can easy be killed by a player whom been playing for more then a months time. Who doesn't agree the Cal Logi needs some love? Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1735	Posted - 2014.12.14 17:57:00 - [25] - Quote people are making the same mistake i was making. you are trying to maximise your suit towards 1 piece of equipment due to the bonus then trying for as much ehp as possible which leaves your suit weak. fit normally with repair tool, needle, links and the best hive you can fit and you will be able to tank/kill and be a logi more effectively than you ever could with 3 or 4 hives its hard to break away from brick tank and maximising the bonus effect but when you do it you realise carrying all that equipment was just dragging you down and leaving you weak. i have realised recently its speed and not huge ehp thats a logis best friend. All Hail Legion
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 733	Posted - 2014.12.14 18:09:00 - [26] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: people are making the same mistake i was making. you are trying to maximise your suit towards 1 piece of equipment due to the bonus then trying for as much ehp as possible which leaves your suit weak. fit normally with repair tool, needle, links and the best hive you can fit and you will be able to tank/kill and be a logi more effectively than you ever could with 3 or 4 hives its hard to break away from brick tank and maximising the bonus effect but when you do it you realise carrying all that equipment was just dragging you down and leaving you weak. i have realised recently its speed and not huge ehp thats a logis best friend. I don't run mine like that, I run it with shield tank hive green bottle, reptool and needle as the CCP lords intended. It's still lacking and doesn't scale well from Standard to Proto. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2014.12.14 20:23:00 - [27] - Quote Why don't they receive a bonus to needles as well ? I think that would make it more useful. As well as adding shield boosting hives.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 735	Posted - 2014.12.14 20:34:00 - [28] - Quote We will never have shield rep hives.. the only thing close we will have is a item that will reduce shield recharge delay to 0 when in range and boost the shield recharge rate when in range. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2637	Posted - 2014.12.14 20:36:00 - [29] - Quote If Cal was armor tanked (or repping hives helped shields) then it's bonus would be much better. As it is now, it's kind of a joke of a bonus. Marginal at best compared to the other much more useful role-defining bonuses of the other logis. Min....repping machine and speedy Am...uplink extraordinaire Gal...dem scans Cal....lol At best you can armor tank it with repping hives and post up somewhere for a while.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 508	Posted - 2014.12.14 20:38:00 - [30] - Quote Gal assault bonus is just as bad. I envy your lack of hit detection registration though. Wish I could run through a whirlwind of gun fire unscaved! "Anybody order chaos?"

Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2014.12.14 20:46:00 - [31] - Quote Or they create Shield Rep Tools
Middas Betancore Kang Lo Directorate 292	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:01:00 - [32] - Quote Like other bonuses, it affects one piece of equipment So the cal logi becomes versatile A proto hive +x +x My Recon triage cal logi Precision and range mods/hack mods Regen Shield tanking Repair tool/triage hive Gauged hive Faction Injector Packed av grenades Assault light weapon Warning: NOT A SLAYER LOGI "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:01:00 - [33] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Gal assault bonus is just as bad. I envy your lack of hit detection registration though. Wish I could run through a whirlwind of gun fire unscaved! That's lag not the suit... big difference. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:03:00 - [34] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Or they create Shield Rep Tools Negative.. only rep tool will be vehicle mounted. Just wouldn't be good for meta. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 61	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:07:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: WTF ? Bonus to Hives ???? XDDDDD Most useless bonus in the game Obviously have never stepped into a proper Cal Logi's nanohive. The problem isn't with the bonus... It's with Equipment in general. They lowered the health values of equipment to all one static value and turned them into a 1 flux all vanish scenario. Caldari Nanohives should be rocking 400 health. And take some time to remove from the field... Not a bullet or two. A proper Caldari Logi Nanohive can completely change the way you defend or assault an objective.. But with how wet paper bag and expendable equipment has turned into... Has nerfed the suit. Nothing else. I remember my logi used to setup rep hives when I'm defending a point. Some of the best reps in the game.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1393	Posted - 2014.12.14 22:07:00 - [36] - Quote The Cal Logi is arguably in the worst spot amongst the class primarily due to the CPU / PG levels at even the proto tier, speed, survivabilty, and equipment slot layout. You can run also into some real issues with a slow footed shield tanker like this...most folks will brick tank which further highlights the speed issues. It's pretty common for me to have a very difficult time staying up with speed tank heavies (or even non-speed tank) and the hp benefits are good but certainly not enough to really protect you in a serious firefight. The slot progression is also pretty tough with 3x equipment slots at proto tier. You definetly run a disadvantage in raw logi capacity against the Gal / Min logi suits and versatility against the Amarr (legit AV fits due to the sidearm slot, etc...). My basic recommendation for the suit is to increase the CPU buy roughly an ADV CPU mod worth since that's what you usually have to run in the 4th low slot anyway. This allows for high end equipment, some decent tank, and either a stamina or speed mod. Either a side arm or a fourth equipment slot needs to be added - I can work with either option but we definetly need one of the two. My personal preference is a 4th equipment slot. I do recommend that the high / low slots be normalized by weight class and race though since it would make things a bit easier to work with from a balance stand point. I also think it should have an eHP buff (perhaps in the form of damage resists) and a mild speed or stamina increase to the base suit stats. As for the role / racial bonus...the Role bonus for lowering equipment CPU / PG cost is fine and i think we can hang on to that. The Racial bonus simply needs to be expanded to more than once piece of equipment. Possible Racial Bonus Options: 1) Give all Logis some form of repper bonus (either range or intensity) plus current racial bonus. Adjust Min Logi racial bonus to RE related buff. 2) Give a bonus to 2x pieces of equipment that generally follows racial / lore themes and balances passive & active BW equipment. - Cal gets hive & scanner range bonus - Gal gets scan & hive bonus - Amarr gets uplink and rep tool bonus - Min gets Rep tool and Uplink bonus I tend to like option #2 since it gives more flexibility but either on works pretty well. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 437	Posted - 2014.12.14 22:15:00 - [37] - Quote I accidently deployed in my proto cal logi once & saved an entire match, love this suit! Hives created a strong bunker, needles rezing at 80% hp kept everyone on thier feet. Just had to meat shield long enough to herd those blueberries into the safe zone. After that it was like waves crashing against rocks, we cloned them without having to chase them. I would support a buff the hive hp, or maybe the cal logi bonus including increased hive hp as well as the efficency. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?


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