DUST Search - Some battles not worth fighting.

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:

Poncho Tank wrote:

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

Poncho Tank wrote:

You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;)

Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base?

Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs?

And handouts, yes.

K den.

Used to be that players could get 500k isk for creating a new character. Combine this with the fact that players would make 50 free accounts through PSN and 3 characters per account that's 75 million isk every 10 hour rotation. A lot of players abused this for the years that it existed and as far as I know in CCP's typical YOLO fashion just permitted it much like district locking in PC. I'm sure CCP would claim they couldn't stop it but I highly doubt they couldn't pick out instances where the same IP address logged in to dozens of accounts and deleted characters or transfered isk from all these characters to one. On their end it would be pretty obvious if they cared to look.

This game has tons of isk from various players in the same way diablo had ridiculous amounts of gold from duping. It's why I laugh everytime someone implies that such in such change will break the Dust Economy. Dust doesn't have one... it's going to be interesting when player trading happens. I won't be suprised to see people offering 100mil+ isk per officer weapon.

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ca ronic Moffit Bros 18	Posted - 2014.12.13 03:59:00 - [1] - Quote Okay I said it. Used to be the guy who would keep charging in and dying no matter what. 20 deaths, 500,000 isk for nothing, no problem. When outgunned run, that is a viable tactic. There seem to be more even games in 1.10 than there was before, but still mostly one sided. To balance pubs just put more emphasis on k/d ratio, soo simple. Random generate squads, everyone goes into a squad, leave and go solo if you want. If you want to squad up with friends, go to fw or pc.
Robocop Junior research lab 911	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:04:00 - [2] - Quote Now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOOOOOE! Yo Joe! He'll fight for freedom where ever there's trouble. GI Joe is there. It's GI Joe against Cobra the enemy Fighting to save the day. He never gives up. He's always there, Fighting for freedom over land and air GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe is there GI Joe is the codename for American's daring, highly trained special mission force. It's purpose, to defend human freedom against Cobra- a ruthless, terrorist organization determined to rule the world. He never gives up. He'll stay til the fight's won. GI Joe will dare. GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1664	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote Did you run out of Proto? *Apply to Kaalmayoti Warzone Control today* *Chat Channel: Kaalmayoti Warzone Control* *For the State*
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 12	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:23:00 - [4] - Quote ca ronic wrote: Okay I said it. Used to be the guy who would keep charging in and dying no matter what. 20 deaths, 500,000 isk for nothing, no problem. When outgunned run, that is a viable tactic. There seem to be more even games in 1.10 than there was before, but still mostly one sided. To balance pubs just put more emphasis on k/d ratio, soo simple. Random generate squads, everyone goes into a squad, leave and go solo if you want. If you want to squad up with friends, go to fw or pc. Can't tell if you're serious, are you actually implying that if we focused more on KDR, games would go better? I view KDR as one of the main reasons games do go so unbalanced. Players join and make their decision whether to stand and fight or hide in the redline sniping in the first minute of the match BECAUSE they don't want to ruin the KDR in a match they don't feel OP in. I think some efforts on reworking the redline, as well as LESS focus on KDR MORE focus on WP would be the way to go in terms of helping balance.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1151	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:50:00 - [5] - Quote Scotty tries, but he screws up from time to time. When matchmaking deals you a bad hand, folding is the best thing you can possibly do. There are fair fights out there to be found. Find them. You're here to have fun; you're not here to be farmed. So check the roster start of match, every match. If you spot a super squad on one side and not on the other, you're very likely in for a stomp. If you're on the losing side, why stick around only to be robbed of Isk? If you're on the winning side, why stick around only to be bored and ashamed? Both eventually lead to burnout and bad gameplay experience. I'm doing my part; I backout of matches early and often, and I'd encourage you to do the same. If everyone backed out of broken matches, CCP would prioritize fixing the cause of broken matches.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 12	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:58:00 - [6] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Scotty tries, but he screws up from time to time. When matchmaking deals you a bad hand, folding is the best thing you can possibly do. There are fair fights out there to be found. Find them. You're here to have fun; you're not here to be farmed. So check the roster start of match, every match. If you spot a super squad on one side and not on the other, you're very likely in for a stomp. If you're on the losing side, why stick around only to be robbed of Isk? If you're on the winning side, why stick around only to be bored and ashamed? Both eventually lead to burnout and bad gameplay experience. I'm doing my part; I backout of matches early and often, and I'd encourage you to do the same. If everyone backed out of broken matches, CCP would prioritize fixing the cause of broken matches. To me, hiding/leaving is the only real shame. I go in solo allll the time into incredibly unbalanced matches. Doesn't matter, do what you can do. use uplinks to herd the blueberries like sheep, get a scout and pick your 1v1's, drive around a heavy do something but giving up is sad. I always respect the lone redberry trying to put in work even if he stands no chance.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1151	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:08:00 - [7] - Quote Poncho Tank wrote: I always respect the lone redberry trying to put in work even if he stands no chance. Respect counts, but it counts less to me than gameplay experience.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 12	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:12:00 - [8] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: I always respect the lone redberry trying to put in work even if he stands no chance. Respect counts, but it counts less to me than gameplay experience. You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;)
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 171	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:23:00 - [9] - Quote Some?! I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1151	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:26:00 - [10] - Quote Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base?
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 240	Posted - 2014.12.13 05:43:00 - [11] - Quote really? k/d means nothing. most of the numbers are exploited anyway. If you matched KDR it would be snipers vs the best tankers. heavies that used to have a logi hooked up to them vs inviso-knifo-scouts. logis vs new players. KDR has no meaning so why can't you people get that out of your small CoD brains. If you are going to matchmake, first match by ping. It will solve most connection problems outside of PC and remove the need for selecting a regional server. The battles will be smoother, and you wont be seeing someone shadow from a half second ago when they are really already shooting at you. The sooner everyone opens their damn eyes and looks at this instead of crying about their 'precious' KDR and ISK payouts, the sooner we can enjoy the game consistantly for the potential it has. Pffft....... Proto Suits lol Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
ca ronic Moffit Bros 21	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:03:00 - [12] - Quote No, no joke. There are some really good players in the game, some good ones, but from what I can tell the majority of them are bad. The good players in the game probably have positive k/d ratio, the bad ones probably below .3. Ya, you can help your team and never kill anything, I understand. I dont mind leaving a pub stomp these days, Or just hanging out at the redline with the rest of my team. It can be fun to herd the blues around with links. Sometimes I go with my cheapest fit and try to blow up a proto with a re. I might go in with a forge and try to get some kills from way off in the distance. I might just keep spawning and attacking over and over to no avail. What I never used to do and what i dont mind doing now is just leaving the battle.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:11:00 - [13] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs?
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 405	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:14:00 - [14] - Quote Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:15:00 - [15] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOOOOOE! Yo Joe! He'll fight for freedom where ever there's trouble. GI Joe is there. It's GI Joe against Cobra the enemy Fighting to save the day. He never gives up. He's always there, Fighting for freedom over land and air GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe is there GI Joe is the codename for American's daring, highly trained special mission force. It's purpose, to defend human freedom against Cobra- a ruthless, terrorist organization determined to rule the world. He never gives up. He'll stay til the fight's won. GI Joe will dare. GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe 1. Where is the GI Joe when you need to secure your oil supplies?
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:17:00 - [16] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. Handouts from who? I pity the nub who doesn't know how to make ISK.
Robocop Junior research lab 933	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:19:00 - [17] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOOOOOE! Yo Joe! He'll fight for freedom where ever there's trouble. GI Joe is there. It's GI Joe against Cobra the enemy Fighting to save the day. He never gives up. He's always there, Fighting for freedom over land and air GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe is there GI Joe is the codename for American's daring, highly trained special mission force. It's purpose, to defend human freedom against Cobra- a ruthless, terrorist organization determined to rule the world. He never gives up. He'll stay til the fight's won. GI Joe will dare. GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe 1. Where is the GI Joe when you need to secure your oil supplies? Sticking his dipstick in yo mutha! YO JOE! If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 405	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:20:00 - [18] - Quote Poncho Tank wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. Handouts from who? I pity the nub who doesn't know how to make ISK. You don't have to know how to make isk to have vet buddies hand over a couple hundred million isk or more. K den. Do not try and bend the K den. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no k den.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2653	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:22:00 - [19] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. I know 3 billionaires right now that have rarely participated in PC. And rarely loose a match. Shrugs just saying.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:35:00 - [20] - Quote [quote=RogueTrooper 2000AD] Lol I am the vet with money to give away foo. I learned how to take money from the best.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 20	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Bethhy wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. I know 3 billionaires right now that have rarely participated in PC. And rarely loose a match. Shrugs just saying. Time + BPO spam + occasional alt isk transfer = billionaire! yaaay!
brett morris518 is well hung 41	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:40:00 - [22] - Quote Bethhy wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. I know 3 billionaires right now that have rarely participated in PC. And rarely loose a match. Shrugs just saying. True that.... I rarely use anything than three of these quafe suits I have bad forever.. They are all less than 8k and I never go negative (surprising, but not really in pubs) haven't played a PC in months cuz I was never on when the corp I was with was having them.. And it makes for a good time and not worrying about losing any money in any match I ever play.. Ever on e in a while I will run a proto suit, but just one.. I like the challenge of going in with my squad and seeing what I can kill with my shiny suit.. Experience almost always wins, don't you agree?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6378	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:59:00 - [23] - Quote Many times the best offence is a cascading defense. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 706	Posted - 2014.12.13 21:03:00 - [24] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. Used to be that players could get 500k isk for creating a new character. Combine this with the fact that players would make 50 free accounts through PSN and 3 characters per account that's 75 million isk every 10 hour rotation. A lot of players abused this for the years that it existed and as far as I know in CCP's typical YOLO fashion just permitted it much like district locking in PC. I'm sure CCP would claim they couldn't stop it but I highly doubt they couldn't pick out instances where the same IP address logged in to dozens of accounts and deleted characters or transfered isk from all these characters to one. On their end it would be pretty obvious if they cared to look. This game has tons of isk from various players in the same way diablo had ridiculous amounts of gold from duping. It's why I laugh everytime someone implies that such in such change will break the Dust Economy. Dust doesn't have one... it's going to be interesting when player trading happens. I won't be suprised to see people offering 100mil+ isk per officer weapon.
Poncho Tank The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:10:00 - [25] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Poncho Tank wrote: You're not doing it right if your worried about your pub ISK ;) Do you think PC pay and participation are available to majority of the player base? Do you think I became a billionaire by spamming PCs? And handouts, yes. K den. Used to be that players could get 500k isk for creating a new character. Combine this with the fact that players would make 50 free accounts through PSN and 3 characters per account that's 75 million isk every 10 hour rotation. A lot of players abused this for the years that it existed and as far as I know in CCP's typical YOLO fashion just permitted it much like district locking in PC. I'm sure CCP would claim they couldn't stop it but I highly doubt they couldn't pick out instances where the same IP address logged in to dozens of accounts and deleted characters or transfered isk from all these characters to one. On their end it would be pretty obvious if they cared to look. This game has tons of isk from various players in the same way diablo had ridiculous amounts of gold from duping. It's why I laugh everytime someone implies that such in such change will break the Dust Economy. Dust doesn't have one... it's going to be interesting when player trading happens. I won't be suprised to see people offering 100mil+ isk per officer weapon. I won't be surprised if the day officer weapons can be traded, they all get scooped up in the first day and get spit back out at 10x the price :P
VAHZZ 477	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:12:00 - [26] - Quote I got pubstomped. And it felt good. Because now I know what to do, pubstomp back, which is what i already do. I tried using those old Black Eagle scout shtuff, so paper thin. I got torn through in 1 to 2 seconds. ~ Proud Sniper Scout
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1413	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:15:00 - [27] - Quote how about you go make an academy alt and leave pub matches alone.. there in academy you can find everyone not squadded and not have to worry about any proto. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 33	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:19:00 - [28] - Quote ca ronic wrote: Okay I said it. Used to be the guy who would keep charging in and dying no matter what. 20 deaths, 500,000 isk for nothing, no problem. When outgunned run, that is a viable tactic. There seem to be more even games in 1.10 than there was before, but still mostly one sided. To balance pubs just put more emphasis on k/d ratio, soo simple. Random generate squads, everyone goes into a squad, leave and go solo if you want. If you want to squad up with friends, go to fw or pc. I agree but thats match making. Why not have pvp based on meta lvl. If im in advanced gear my meta lvl should only go so high. Anything above the respected lvl wont let me play in match. Then your playing same lvl suits as you and all that is needed is skill. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13813	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:25:00 - [29] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOOOOOE! Yo Joe! He'll fight for freedom where ever there's trouble. GI Joe is there. It's GI Joe against Cobra the enemy Fighting to save the day. He never gives up. He's always there, Fighting for freedom over land and air GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe is there GI Joe is the codename for American's daring, highly trained special mission force. It's purpose, to defend human freedom against Cobra- a ruthless, terrorist organization determined to rule the world. He never gives up. He'll stay til the fight's won. GI Joe will dare. GI Joe- A real American hero GI Joe Just... Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 428	Posted - 2014.12.14 00:39:00 - [30] - Quote Union118 wrote: ca ronic wrote: Okay I said it. Used to be the guy who would keep charging in and dying no matter what. 20 deaths, 500,000 isk for nothing, no problem. When outgunned run, that is a viable tactic. There seem to be more even games in 1.10 than there was before, but still mostly one sided. To balance pubs just put more emphasis on k/d ratio, soo simple. Random generate squads, everyone goes into a squad, leave and go solo if you want. If you want to squad up with friends, go to fw or pc. I agree but thats match making. Why not have pvp based on meta lvl. If im in advanced gear my meta lvl should only go so high. Anything above the respected lvl wont let me play in match. Then your playing same lvl suits as you and all that is needed is skill. I have all fittings from Std to Proto all with a much different meta lvl. This wouldn't work as you can switch from Std to Proto any time during battles. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?

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