A full prone feature tied into the crouching system would be nice. More so for snipers than anything else, one of the main things to sniping is trying to remain unseen and crouched you are still leaving your head out into the open. A system in which you simply hold the crouch button to go prone would be nice and simple.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

I am an avid fan of sniping, but I was very glad prone was not implemented. Prone like you just said, promotes hiding and forcing enemies to seek you out. The problem in dust that the enemies generally don't care to seek out a hiding sniper as there is plenty of cover and snipers are generally off outside of the fight, and it's generally more useful to let them stay there and get like 3 kills a round without really helping their team much.

I see it already in skirmish, whenever the attacking team takes the first two objectives, there is a ton of snipers just sitting on the hillls near the clone reserves, not actually helping guard their teammates from people attempting to take back the control points.
Snipers in dust still have not gotten used to the playstyle and pace, and thus are taking themselves too far out of the fight when they should be much much closer. Think midrange urban sniping as opposed to longrange warfare!

Hiding is bad in shooter games, almost without exceptions. It's both boring and generally unhelpful, a game like dust is about fast paced, hectic battles. Midrange, highly mobile snipers are in their prime for this. The snipers don't really look or feel like they were meant for longrange at all. I've seen a lot of snipers who don't even move when they are taking damage, standing in the same spots every round, etc. These are the main reasons snipers get more deaths than kills in most games I have seen!

Dust is a game meant for moving :)

Also, they have plans for cloaking devices. I'm sure that will satisfy most snipers' desire for hiding without spending dev time on prone.

Prone has no place in a strafer.

RFoM w/ 40 players had large maps no prone
KZ2 had fairly large maps no prone


we don't need (belly snipers in dust) pick up an assault rifle and support your team quit hiding in the hills.

This.

In the style and pace of Dust as it currently is, prone would be entirely useless and generally all it does is promote hiding and not helping your team. I won't even call it camping because generally you barely see these dudes get any kills!

Alternatively, we could have no prone and have the gameplay promote people actually running around killing each other.


Chaos and mayhem = Exciting
Lonewolf hiding = Boring

Hiding is bad in shooter games, almost without exceptions. It's both boring and generally unhelpful, a game like dust is about fast paced, hectic battles. Midrange, highly mobile snipers are in their prime for this. The snipers don't really look or feel like they were meant for longrange at all. I've seen a lot of snipers who don't even move when they are taking damage, standing in the same spots every round, etc. These are the main reasons snipers get more deaths than kills in most games I have seen!

Dust is a game meant for moving :)

This.

In the style and pace of Dust as it currently is, prone would be entirely useless and generally all it does is promote hiding and not helping your team. I won't even call it camping because generally you barely see these dudes get any kills!

Alternatively, we could have no prone and have the gameplay promote people actually running around killing each other.


Chaos and mayhem = Exciting
Lonewolf hiding = Boring

Prone isn't for snipers - it's for anyone and everyone. It's for people taking cover, or lining up a shot, or reducing your head-on silhouette, or moving undetected. It's for crawling through scrub brush to pop up and over a wall, guns blazing. It's useful in EVERY style of play, and the idea that a modern FPS would lack it is like that fps lacking jumping, as far as I'm concerned.

Prone has no place in a strafer.

RFoM w/ 40 players had large maps no prone
KZ2 had fairly large maps no prone


we don't need (belly snipers in dust) pick up an assault rifle and support your team quit hiding in the hills.

Actually, thinking about this, going prone is actually a good solution to prevent "snipers" from all having to run around in some sort of cov ops cloaks (which, introducing those would bring in a whole new aspect of unbalanced whining as people figured out how to fit a cloak on a heavy with a forge gun)...

Everyone says they want the snipers up and "in the mix" but there's something to be said from standing back (just a little behind the very front line) and picking off those targets that are face-raping you with HMGs from behind cover...

They better figure out how to balance the cloaks because I am building an entire corp division around using them

I am an avid fan of sniping, but I was very glad prone was not implemented. Prone like you just said, promotes hiding and forcing enemies to seek you out. The problem in dust that the enemies generally don't care to seek out a hiding sniper as there is plenty of cover and snipers are generally off outside of the fight, and it's generally more useful to let them stay there and get like 3 kills a round without really helping their team much.

I see it already in skirmish, whenever the attacking team takes the first two objectives, there is a ton of snipers just sitting on the hillls near the clone reserves, not actually helping guard their teammates from people attempting to take back the control points.
Snipers in dust still have not gotten used to the playstyle and pace, and thus are taking themselves too far out of the fight when they should be much much closer. Think midrange urban sniping as opposed to longrange warfare!

Hiding is bad in shooter games, almost without exceptions. It's both boring and generally unhelpful, a game like dust is about fast paced, hectic battles. Midrange, highly mobile snipers are in their prime for this. The snipers don't really look or feel like they were meant for longrange at all. I've seen a lot of snipers who don't even move when they are taking damage, standing in the same spots every round, etc. These are the main reasons snipers get more deaths than kills in most games I have seen!

Dust is a game meant for moving :)

I am an avid fan of sniping, but I was very glad prone was not implemented.
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Dust is a game meant for moving :)

Don't implement prone, the game doesn't need it and it'll only encourage more camping.

Prone has no place in a strafer.

RFoM w/ 40 players had large maps no prone
KZ2 had fairly large maps no prone


we don't need (belly snipers in dust) pick up an assault rifle and support your team quit hiding in the hills.

I'm of a similar mind. The stand-off nature of sniping means you already have protection by presenting a tiny target GÇö it doesn't need to be made even tinier. Combine that with the amount of cover and terrain masking that can be done and the need just isn't there.

Add in cloaking (if the two can be combined without gimping your fit completely) for additional cover and higher-tier skills for the bracing effect, and the actual game-mechanics reason is already covered as well.

Add some terrain where prone is useful and I'll agree. Right now it's pointless to even crouch.

^^ another reason, who even crouches currently?

4) Imersion: War has changed, your fighting on a distant planet as an immortal soldier, why haven't the war tactics?

1) smaller profile: Get behind some cover, there is crouch high and full height cover aplenty on all of the maps, along with ducking in and out from behind walls

2) steadier aim: Crouch already improves it, and gives you a better view of the surrounding area.

3) Stealth: Cloaking fields are going to be added for people who want to sneak around, imo going prone to hide has always just exploited foliage and debris that was added to make the game look good.

4) Imersion: War has changed, your fighting on a distant planet as an immortal soldier, why haven't the war tactics?

knifing in game is bad in general. thank god in dust it doesn't 1 hit ( at least not yet)
remove the knife all together we don't need it.

I am an avid fan of sniping, but I was very glad prone was not implemented. Prone like you just said, promotes hiding and forcing enemies to seek you out. The problem in dust that the enemies generally don't care to seek out a hiding sniper as there is plenty of cover and snipers are generally off outside of the fight, and it's generally more useful to let them stay there and get like 3 kills a round without really helping their team much.

I see it already in skirmish, whenever the attacking team takes the first two objectives, there is a ton of snipers just sitting on the hillls near the clone reserves, not actually helping guard their teammates from people attempting to take back the control points.
Snipers in dust still have not gotten used to the playstyle and pace, and thus are taking themselves too far out of the fight when they should be much much closer. Think midrange urban sniping as opposed to longrange warfare!

Hiding is bad in shooter games, almost without exceptions. It's both boring and generally unhelpful, a game like dust is about fast paced, hectic battles. Midrange, highly mobile snipers are in their prime for this. The snipers don't really look or feel like they were meant for longrange at all. I've seen a lot of snipers who don't even move when they are taking damage, standing in the same spots every round, etc. These are the main reasons snipers get more deaths than kills in most games I have seen!

Dust is a game meant for moving :)

For those who don't want to read the thread.

Prone = hiding. People hiding makes shooters boring and ruins the fun!

For those who don't want to read the thread.

Prone = hiding. People hiding makes shooters boring and ruins the fun!