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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 76	Posted - 2014.12.12 12:58:00 - [1] - Quote the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing ****.
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3452	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote They already die super fast... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 76	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:06:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: They already die super fast... maybe so, but the assholes that fly low enough to allow me to hit them with an AV nade should be killed instantly.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 497	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:20:00 - [4] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing **. Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC** GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3452	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:25:00 - [5] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: They already die super fast... maybe so, but the assholes that fly low enough to allow me to hit them with an AV nade should be killed instantly. I think this is more of a suggestion because your raging that somebody killed you and you had no AV, or you did but it wasn't strong enough. May I suggest that you suggest for AV nades to provide 3 nades per fitting instead of 2. A proto packed AV grenade has enough punch to kill a dropship with three throws. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2312	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing ****. Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. Devil's Advocate here.... If they need to fly low to pick people up, shouldn't those same people be making sure the LZ is clear and not riddled with reddots holding AV grenades? Dust514/Legion should be a(n): [_] Arcade Lobby Shooter [X] Sci-fi Military Sim
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 499	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:34:00 - [7] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing **. Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. Devil's Advocate here.... If they need to fly low to pick people up, shouldn't those same people be making sure the LZ is clear and not riddled with reddots holding AV grenades? You are right, they should, but OP is talking about ONE AVgrenade being enough to kill a dropship. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC** GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 76	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:35:00 - [8] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: They already die super fast... maybe so, but the assholes that fly low enough to allow me to hit them with an AV nade should be killed instantly. I think this is more of a suggestion because your raging that somebody killed you and you had no AV, or you did but it wasn't strong enough. May I suggest that you suggest for AV nades to provide 3 nades per fitting instead of 2. A proto packed AV grenade has enough punch to kill a dropship with three throws. Ragging? lol do you kill puppies?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2312	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:35:00 - [9] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing ****. Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. Devil's Advocate here.... If they need to fly low to pick people up, shouldn't those same people be making sure the LZ is clear and not riddled with reddots holding AV grenades? You are right, they should, but OP is talking about ONE AVgrenade being enough to kill a dropship. TBH, I'd support it, if they don't magnetize to Dropships If you're in a place that I can hit you with an AV grenade and I actually hit you (rather than tossing in your general direction and the magnetism cause he to actually hit you) then you should pay the consequence for not paying attention. Dust514/Legion should be a(n): [_] Arcade Lobby Shooter [X] Sci-fi Military Sim
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 221	Posted - 2014.12.12 13:42:00 - [10] - Quote 1. So you want 1 AV nade to deal which would be against my max tank DS about 6000+ HP damage? No 2. If you need the AV nade to magnetize to hit your target which is the size of a barn you should uninstall now, AV should not magnetize ever and blow up when they make contact with a vehicle 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles, if you are still having trouble unistall now

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14356	Posted - 2014.12.12 14:09:00 - [11] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 221	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:16:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3454	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:28:00 - [13] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You need multiple sources of av to kill vehicles, meaning you need to be 100% dedicated to av to kill one. The problem with that is that you lose all anti infantry capabilities, and yet remain extremely easy to kill by vehicles. Granted I feel dropships are too easy to kill. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 95	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:37:00 - [14] - Quote But I need to get this close if i want to try and use a blaster turret on my ADS (which I do, because I can--I don't care if it make me poor). PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 87	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:48:00 - [15] - Quote I remember when av grenades killed gunlogis in one or two hits long ago, then proto vehicles were romoved and av got nerfed When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 87	Posted - 2014.12.12 15:53:00 - [16] - Quote By the way the easy fix, keep everything the same on av grenades but just make it like the plasma cannon in the sense that it completely knocks a dropship offcourse, if he's not a scrub pilot it may not kill him but picking up his friends will be extremely difficult When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14362	Posted - 2014.12.12 16:03:00 - [17] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You haven't been playing for long, have you? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 466	Posted - 2014.12.12 16:03:00 - [18] - Quote so appenrlty... an av grenade should be better to use than a PLC or forge gun for knocking out derpships and assault derps??? nah. PLC makes derps rock so hard they preety much die from crashing. and froges are highly effective VS derps, *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2465	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:16:00 - [19] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You need multiple sources of av to kill vehicles, meaning you need to be 100% dedicated to av to kill one. The problem with that is that you lose all anti infantry capabilities, and yet remain extremely easy to kill by vehicles. Granted I feel dropships are too easy to kill. Multiple sources? I've been 4-shot by IAFGs. You're doing it wrong. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2465	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:17:00 - [20] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: the flying tank. AV nades should insta-kill DERP ships! If you disagree with me you must be a puppy killing ****. Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. Devil's Advocate here.... If they need to fly low to pick people up, shouldn't those same people be making sure the LZ is clear and not riddled with reddots holding AV grenades? Cloaks? Under cover? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2465	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:22:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. You don't know what you're doing. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1100	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:46:00 - [22] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Well, bring fido to me then. Come on, 1 Grenade for a drophip, they need to fly low to pick up people. If everybody and his mom can tak it out with a AVnade they'll stay away, which excludes a certain gameplay element from the game. Devil's Advocate here.... If they need to fly low to pick people up, shouldn't those same people be making sure the LZ is clear and not riddled with reddots holding AV grenades? Part of the dropship description is how one can come in while under fire to extract mercs from a contested area while providing cover fire. Unfortunately, neither of these are possible. One AV grenade is way too small an investment to destroy something that requires skill (and a ton of ISK if the ADS) to use effectively. BL4CKST4R wrote: You need multiple sources of av to kill vehicles, meaning you need to be 100% dedicated to av to kill one. The problem with that is that you lose all anti infantry capabilities, and yet remain extremely easy to kill by vehicles. Granted I feel dropships are too easy to kill. Well, that's not exactly true. A single AV player is very sufficient to destroy vehicles if they linger for long, and they are plenty likely to drive them away (getting plenty of WP in the process.) And heavy AV is more than capable of killing vehicles solo, but due to the nature of the heavy frame actually requires sacrificing anti infantry capabilities (looking at you Commando.) Personally, I'm fine with dropships (more specifically, ADSs) becoming easier to kill, but having an equal trade off in offensive power: make them glass cannons that can violate an area with heavy firepower but they are countered comfortably by a solo AV player - currently a single Swarmer will almost certainly run off a dropship (likely getting at least 75 WP) and has a reasonable chance of destroying it unless it is a solo, proto fit (ie, heavy extender and booster or multiple hardeners) and has a decent pilot. Quick thought: what about the ADS getting a massive fitting bonus to fit large turrets and having a bit tweak to EHP and fitting space? I guess I'm looking more specifically at the large missile turret, anyway just a thought. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14368	Posted - 2014.12.12 17:47:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. You don't know what you're doing. Said Spkr... The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3458	Posted - 2014.12.12 18:18:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You need multiple sources of av to kill vehicles, meaning you need to be 100% dedicated to av to kill one. The problem with that is that you lose all anti infantry capabilities, and yet remain extremely easy to kill by vehicles. Granted I feel dropships are too easy to kill. Multiple sources? I've been 4-shot by IAFGs. You're doing it wrong. I'm sorry I didn't mean multiple sources as in multiple people but like one suit completely dedicated to av. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 383	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:47:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You haven't been playing for long, have you? It used to be way easier to take out vehicles. The Wyrikomi swarm launcher was able to solo any vehicle with any fitting from extreme range except for some Surya or Sagaris tanks.
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 137	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:58:00 - [26] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. So you want 1 AV nade to deal which would be against my max tank DS about 6000+ HP damage? No 2. If you need the AV nade to magnetize to hit your target which is the size of a barn you should uninstall now, AV should not magnetize ever and blow up when they make contact with a vehicle 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles, if you are still having trouble unistall now 1) i dont acre i think its stupid idea 2) meh dont really care i like the contact explosion 3) if you get taken out easily you need to learn to drive better The Little Girl with the HMG
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 230	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:07:00 - [27] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. 1. You must be bad with AV then, i know i dont have a problem with it and the tools availible dish out hefty sums of damage You haven't been playing for long, have you? It used to be way easier to take out vehicles. The Wyrikomi swarm launcher was able to solo any vehicle with any fitting from extreme range except for some Surya or Sagaris tanks. 1. Swarms and AV were utterly broken at that time - 400m invisible missiles which go around about 12 corners but if you did have your mods at the ready you could take it and survive, fact is they are still broken and always have been, would be better if they were removed completely for a rebalance 2. FG at that time were more balanced 3. At the current time you can solo vehicles with all types of AV they have been weakened that much, i can tell you now with the old vehicles and modules they would not generally go down without a fight 4. In comparision to old and now, old was tougher vehicles and could survive even against the obv broken SL and AV nades which put out extreme amount of dmg, now vehicles can die to AV weapons which dont even put out half the damage per shot that they do now because vehicles have been dumbed down and destroyed
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1396	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:50:00 - [28] - Quote What kind of drugs are you on? Swarms already maul Derpships and now you want to kill Derpships even more? Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2468	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:35:00 - [29] - Quote Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: 3) if you get taken out easily you need to learn to drive better We've been doing this for a long, long time, through multiple games, too. AV is utterly broken as it is. It's not a deterrent, it's a nuclear end-all solution. Chromosome was ideal as far as balance went. Tanks whacked the hell out of each other, leaving infantry alone. But infantry wanted to be the ones to do it, and all alone at that, so came over here to complain about it, and voila, tanks got nerfed. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2468	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:38:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. You don't know what you're doing. Said Spkr... No, it's entirely true, because all you do is come on here to complain that something like 2 simultaneous strikes plus forges plus swarms can't take out a single Sica. That's what you make it sound like. Fact is, tanks are far too weak, and AV is far too strong. You don't want to admit it, because you like the current meta of AV being the nuclear end-all option against vehicles. You don't want the status quo to change. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2314	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:53:00 - [31] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Its never been easier to take out vehicles False. You don't know what you're doing. Said Spkr... No, it's entirely true, because all you do is come on here to complain that something like 2 simultaneous strikes plus forges plus swarms can't take out a single Sica. That's what you make it sound like. Fact is, tanks are far too weak, and AV is far too strong. You don't want to admit it, because you like the current meta of AV being the nuclear end-all option against vehicles. You don't want the status quo to change. Spkr AV isn't a "nuclear end-all option against vehicles", if it was, I wouldn't need more than 1 volley from my Wiyrkomi Swarms to pop anything. I want status quo to change though mosttankers will not accept what that would entail (coughCrew Servicecough) so why even discuss it? Dust514/Legion should be a(n): [_] Arcade Lobby Shooter [X] Sci-fi Military Sim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2472	Posted - 2014.12.13 18:02:00 - [32] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: AV isn't a "nuclear end-all option against vehicles", if it was, I wouldn't need more than 1 volley from my Wiyrkomi Swarms to pop anything. I want status quo to change though mosttankers will not accept what that would entail (coughCrew Servicecough) so why even discuss it? It is dude. AV is king at taking out vehicles. There isn't any crew service, because it's a video game. World of Tanks has that, no reason we should have it, and they're all AI anyway. If we needed crew service, that's a few less people available to hack objectives. The game isn't big enough for that. It's a terrible idea, and one that won't work with 16 people on a team. You were just fine with MAG APCs, why is Dust any different? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2315	Posted - 2014.12.13 19:58:00 - [33] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: AV isn't a "nuclear end-all option against vehicles", if it was, I wouldn't need more than 1 volley from my Wiyrkomi Swarms to pop anything. I want status quo to change though mosttankers will not accept what that would entail (coughCrew Servicecough) so why even discuss it? It is dude. AV is king at taking out vehicles. There isn't any crew service, because it's a video game. World of Tanks has that, no reason we should have it, and they're all AI anyway. If we needed crew service, that's a few less people available to hack objectives. The game isn't big enough for that. It's a terrible idea, and one that won't work with 16 people on a team. You were just fine with MAG APCs, why is Dust any different? AV is "king at taking out vehicles" because non-AV weapons do abysmal damage to vehicles (which is kinda silly but balanced). MAG APCs were Crew Served. You were fine with those, why is Dust any different? Dust514/Legion should be a(n): [_] Arcade Lobby Shooter [X] Sci-fi Military Sim


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