DUST Search - Should Heavy weapons be better than Light Weapons?

deezy dabest wrote:

pagl1u M wrote:

I ll just leave this here, maybe it ll let someone open his eyes

CCP Rattati wrote:

That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks

Kills
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle
Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun
Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle

Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher
Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun
Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon

Interesting stats.

Im sure if you were to show many of those heavies had a repper on them during those kills a different story would be told.Both of the heavies at the top of that list are armor tanking meaning that the chances they were brought there specifically to work with a logi are very high.

If PC stats are used at all in balancing this would explain why we have some balance issues that will not go away. Between how many PC battles are simply staged for farming purposes, practice purposes, and the fact that it consists of largely a certain number of people of course the stats are going to be horribly skewed. Trusting these stats in any form would be absolutely a terrible decision. That is like saying a disease is rampant worldwide because you took a sample from one town that it has infected over half of the people.

Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.


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Jathniel G I A N T 1321	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:45:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not understanding your question, OP. "Should Heavy weapons be better than Light weapons?" That's like asking, "Should a 4 year old be better than a 3 year old?" Doesn't make much sense. What do you mean by "better"? Define "better". Should they have better damage than light weapons? Should they have better dps than light weapons? Should they have better range than light weapons? When you ask "should X be better than Y?" you start getting into the subjective. What do you see as a problem, or anomaly that needs to be fixed? Again, what do you mean by "better"? The HMG is a niche weapon. Meaning it is meant for a certain role, and a certain circumstance. It has a specific place and position to fill. It can be used anywhere, but it excels in cqc. Examples of Niche Weapons: Sniper Rifles (highest alpha, longest range) Laser Rifles (mid-long range crowd control and suppression) HMGs (close range anti infantry and suppresion) Nova Knives (ultra close range anti infantry) Shotguns (close range anti infantry) Remote Explosives (indirect anti infantry and anti armor) Forge Guns (mid-long range anti armor) Mass Drivers (close-mid range crowd control and suppression) These are all weapons that have particular circumstances and places that they excel in. Then you have what are called Utility Weapons. Utility weapons can be used in a multitude of different situations and circumstances effectively. They do not excel at any one role or circumstance, other than being adaptable. They usually function by being aimed and fired, without much thought needing to be given to the circumstance. Examples of Utility Weapons: Assault Rifles Scrambler Rifles Combat Rifles Rail Rifles (not what it used to be) SMGs Scrambler Pistols Ion Pistols Bolt Pistols These weapons can be used effectively in almost any combat situation. They are general purpose. A sniper rifle can kill at almost a half a click away. An assault rifle is not expected to, because it wasn't designed to. Does this mean that the sniper rifle is "better" than an assault rifle? Should the assault rifle be able to do the same as the sniper rifle? Why or why not? If you can answer that, then you can answer your own question. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Jathniel G I A N T 1323	Posted - 2014.12.15 06:45:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: pagl1u M wrote: I ll just leave this here, maybe it ll let someone open his eyes CCP Rattati wrote: That's probably why Missile launchers on Pythons as a combo rank number 4 in PC kills, and the Proto XT-1 Missile Launcher ranks top 4 of PC kills, for the last two weeks Kills Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Weapons, Light, Combat Rifles, Prototype, Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Six Kin Burst Heavy Machine Gun Weapons, Light, Rail Rifles, Prototype, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle Kills by Actor(Pawn) and Weapon Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ak.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel gk.0& Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0&Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Vehicles, Dropships, Assault, Python& Turrets, Missile, Small, Prototype, XT-1 Missile Launcher Dropsuits, Light, Scout, Prototype, Scout gk.0& Weapons, Light, Shotguns, Prototype, CreoDron Shotgun Dropsuits, Heavy, Sentinel, Prototype, Sentinel ck.0&Weapons, Heavy, Heavy Machine Guns, Prototype, Boundless Heavy Machine Gun Vehicles, Heavy Attack Vehicles, Standard, Gunnlogi&Turrets, Railgun, Large, Prototype, 80GJ Particle Cannon Interesting stats. Im sure if you were to show many of those heavies had a repper on them during those kills a different story would be told.Both of the heavies at the top of that list are armor tanking meaning that the chances they were brought there specifically to work with a logi are very high. If PC stats are used at all in balancing this would explain why we have some balance issues that will not go away. Between how many PC battles are simply staged for farming purposes, practice purposes, and the fact that it consists of largely a certain number of people of course the stats are going to be horribly skewed. Trusting these stats in any form would be absolutely a terrible decision. That is like saying a disease is rampant worldwide because you took a sample from one town that it has infected over half of the people. That IS an interesting post. I haven't PC'd in nearly a year. But last time I was there, it was dominated by assaults. Things must have changed horribly for me to be seeing HMGs and Shotguns... AND a ADS missile launcher, dominating the kill count. Heavies, Scouts, and ADS? I mean really? Oh well... Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.