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Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote If a light weapon does everything better... P.S. What is a soft ETA on heavy weapon racial parity. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4764	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:05:00 - [2] - Quote To kill sh*t P.s. never (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Vicious Minotaur 1446	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:07:00 - [3] - Quote Hah. No puny light weapon can withstand the wrath my my Forge Gun or my triple damage modded HMG. Though, the merc behind them guns is indeed a mythical beast... But yeah. Heavy weapon parity is overdue by a decade or two. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2877	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:08:00 - [4] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: If a light weapon does everything better... P.S. What is a soft ETA on heavy weapon racial parity. I've yet to see a light weapon that out-performed my IAFG "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Regnier Feros G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 141	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:10:00 - [5] - Quote Pie. I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:22:00 - [6] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: To kill sht P.s. never True but if a light weapon kills better then a heavy weapon why should I gimp myself by using a subpar heavy weapon Vicious Minotaur wrote:* Hah. No puny light weapon can withstand the wrath my my Forge Gun or my triple damage modded HMG. Though, the merc behind them guns is indeed a mythical beast... But yeah. Heavy weapon parity is overdue by a decade or two. not gonna lie I'm a bit jelly of those high slots especially with a potentially huge plate nerf incoming. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Meeko Fent True Illuminate 2261	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:24:00 - [7] - Quote lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:30:00 - [8] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 984	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:36:00 - [9] - Quote Shut it, vithar. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4764	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Tbh no one has cried hmg but the Rat and his stats soo yeeah (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:38:00 - [11] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Shut it, vithar. how cute my own groupie xD Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Meeko Fent True Illuminate 2264	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:40:00 - [12] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Tbh no one has cried hmg but the Rat and his stats soo yeeah Well... It IS the HMG that is making the Heavy (considered) OP. Myself, I think the range should be reduced on it. I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:41:00 - [13] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Tbh no one has cried hmg but the Rat and his stats soo yeeah There has been a good number lately enough that HF Echo is going to bring yet another nerf to the HMG. But dat heavy laser can't come quick enough.... Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Tbh no one has cried hmg but the Rat and his stats soo yeeah Well... It IS the HMG that is making the Heavy (considered) OP. Myself, I think the range should be reduced on it. honestly I'm more inclined to reduce it's damage but increase its range but this can only happen once the heavy laser and plasma is introduced that way they can be balanced off each other. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 984	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:44:00 - [15] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Shut it, vithar. how cute my own groupie xD Low self esteem and stupid. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15718	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:48:00 - [16] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Shut it, vithar. how cute my own groupie xD Low self esteem and stupid. I think Eruditus likes you! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:50:00 - [17] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Shut it, vithar. how cute my own groupie xD Low self esteem and stupid. someone is obviously a tsundere :3 but seriously if you have nothing to add to the discussion I request that you admire me in silence. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 166	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:55:00 - [18] - Quote To two shot and run easy mode heavy. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2052	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:58:00 - [19] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: To two shot and run easy mode heavy. Care to elaborate? Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3066	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:59:00 - [20] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. You knew this would happen once you made the one skill requiring role useless. Now even the scrubs who run the HMG are realizing how OP it is. Im just waiting for the very long overdue nerf. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2054	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. You knew this would happen once you made the one skill requiring role useless. Now even the scrubs who run the HMG are realizing how OP it is. Im just waiting for the very long overdue nerf. I just KNOW you aren't talking about scouts right... right...? Oh, I guess you were... the only skill required for scouts was waiting for the arrow to look away from you before you SGed or KNed it in the back. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3066	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:07:00 - [22] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. You knew this would happen once you made the one skill requiring role useless. Now even the scrubs who run the HMG are realizing how OP it is. Im just waiting for the very long overdue nerf. I just KNOW you aren't talking about scouts right... right...? Oh, I guess you were... the only skill required for scouts was waiting for the arrow to look away from you before you SGed or KNed it in the back. And having the situational awareness to be able to survive the 12 HMG's scattered around 50 square meters. And being able to aim while moving at high speeds. And having to rely on speed to survive in general. And not using crutchy fine rifles/HMG's. Aside from the virtue of patience that was required, the above are all skills. It takes more skill than anything else in the game, other than maybe a slayer logi, and Ive played literally everything. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Robocop Junior research lab 859	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:08:00 - [23] - Quote Hahahahahahaha If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 565	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:08:00 - [24] - Quote Are people really delusional enough to believe that heavies are underpowered? They're ******* walking death machines, man. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2054	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:22:00 - [25] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Are people really delusional enough to believe that heavies are underpowered? They're ***** walking death machines, man. You misunderstand. I've been here since closed beta and I've seen how the buff/nerf cycle goes and I fully expect that by the next 2 hot fixes the HMG will be back to the Uprising 1.0-1.6 days when all it took was a starter fit with a militia SMG to murder a proto heavy with a proto HMG. I guess this is my attempt to help ensure that CCP doesn't over nerf or if they do I will use this thread to justify why I am using a fine rifle as opposed to a gimped as ** HMG Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2054	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:31:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: And having the situational awareness to be able to survive the 12 HMG's scattered around 50 square meters. Situational awareness implies you are looking at your surroundings and not your radar And being able to aim while moving at high speeds. What aiming? SG requires next to no aiming KN and RE even less so And having to rely on speed to survive in general. you dont need speed when you know where everything is and nothing can see you And not using crutchy fine rifles/HMG's. if there was another AI heavy weapon in the game I wouldn't touch the HMG with a Titan long stick Aside from the virtue of patience that was required, the above are all skills. Not using a weapon is not a skill it is a choice... It takes more skill than anything else in the game, other than maybe a slayer logi, and Ive played literally everything. Id beg to differ but that is food for another thread Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5016	Posted - 2014.12.11 05:29:00 - [27] - Quote Diversity. Fire power. The HMG > AR or CR at their own optimals because lol balance, and the FG > swarms is both players have equal skill (preferably GOOD skills). That's about it, really.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 472	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:21:00 - [28] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Are people really delusional enough to believe that heavies are underpowered? They're ***** walking death machines, man. You misunderstand. I've been here since closed beta and I've seen how the buff/nerf cycle goes and I fully expect that by the next 2 hot fixes the HMG will be back to the Uprising 1.0-1.6 days when all it took was a starter fit with a militia SMG to murder a proto heavy with a proto HMG. I guess this is my attempt to help ensure that CCP doesn't over nerf or if they do I will use this thread to justify why I am using a fine rifle as opposed to a gimped as ** HMG Not going to happen. The HMG and probably the other racial heavy weapons will be pretty weak pretty soon. The funny thing is -- heavies were like unicorns back in the day. You saw one once every few matches. Super rare. And only when they were running with a dedicated logi. You never saw a roaming heavy. And never in ambush (although you still don't see that many in Ambush) Then they HMG got a buff and heavies started getting spammed. But that buff was MORE dispersion on the HMG. It still makes me lol when I think about it.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5711	Posted - 2014.12.11 10:57:00 - [29] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Are people really delusional enough to believe that heavies are underpowered? They're ***** walking death machines, man. You misunderstand. I've been here since closed beta and I've seen how the buff/nerf cycle goes and I fully expect that by the next 2 hot fixes the HMG will be back to the Uprising 1.0-1.6 days when all it took was a starter fit with a militia SMG to murder a proto heavy with a proto HMG. I guess this is my attempt to help ensure that CCP doesn't over nerf or if they do I will use this thread to justify why I am using a fine rifle as opposed to a gimped as ** HMG Not going to happen. The HMG and probably the other racial heavy weapons will be pretty weak pretty soon. The funny thing is -- heavies were like unicorns back in the day. You saw one once every few matches. Super rare. And only when they were running with a dedicated logi. You never saw a roaming heavy. And never in ambush (although you still don't see that many in Ambush) Then they HMG got a buff and heavies started getting spammed. But that buff was MORE dispersion on the HMG. It still makes me lol when I think about it. Hilariously when the HMG neutering comes I will fit the mass driver to it for maximum fun. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2058	Posted - 2014.12.11 13:39:00 - [30] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Are people really delusional enough to believe that heavies are underpowered? They're ***** walking death machines, man. You misunderstand. I've been here since closed beta and I've seen how the buff/nerf cycle goes and I fully expect that by the next 2 hot fixes the HMG will be back to the Uprising 1.0-1.6 days when all it took was a starter fit with a militia SMG to murder a proto heavy with a proto HMG. I guess this is my attempt to help ensure that CCP doesn't over nerf or if they do I will use this thread to justify why I am using a fine rifle as opposed to a gimped as ** HMG Not going to happen. The HMG and probably the other racial heavy weapons will be pretty weak pretty soon. The funny thing is -- heavies were like unicorns back in the day. You saw one once every few matches. Super rare. And only when they were running with a dedicated logi. You never saw a roaming heavy. And never in ambush (although you still don't see that many in Ambush) Then they HMG got a buff and heavies started getting spammed. But that buff was MORE dispersion on the HMG. It still makes me lol when I think about it. I despise the HMG... I remember when the only suit the Amarr had was the sentinel. Why CCP decided that the first Heavy should be Amarr made while the first heavy weapons should be Minmatar and Caldari made haunt me to this day. However... even though I personally detest the HMG I will make damn sure that they stay viable until we have a choice in what weapon we want to use Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5505	Posted - 2014.12.11 13:44:00 - [31] - Quote The HMG will not be nerfed into uselessness. Quit being a dramaqueen. My advice to you, playa...
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2058	Posted - 2014.12.11 13:48:00 - [32] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: The HMG will not be nerfed into uselessness. Quit being a dramaqueen. That's the hope at least... hell if it does I can guilt free use a laz0r rifle like in the intro xD Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14288	Posted - 2014.12.11 13:55:00 - [33] - Quote What's the point of any weapon if the alternative choice does it better? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2058	Posted - 2014.12.11 14:07:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: What's the point of any weapon if the alternative choice does it better? exactly... however sarcastic that may(or may not just woke up) be. but the kicker is heavies supported castrating their CPU/PG in favor of heavy weapon fitting efficiency. but now the mob(GD{mostly scouts}) is crying for for more nerfs. At this rate heavy weapons WILL be nerfed to weaker then their light counter parts and we WILL see light weapon sentinels return with a vengeance. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8787	Posted - 2014.12.11 14:32:00 - [35] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? At the rate the mob is crying I fully expect the days of HMG Sentinels being a slow fat joke to return with a vengeance. God willing, the heavy laser will be out so I can be free of the garbage the HMG is soon to become. Tbh no one has cried hmg but the Rat and his stats soo yeeah Well... It IS the HMG that is making the Heavy (considered) OP. Myself, I think the range should be reduced on it. The range isn't the problem for me. My biggest issue is that the HMG is so noob friendly, it takes little to know thought to wield a weapon of such power when it should. I want the HMG to wreck like it does now and I was fine with the burst before, but the problem was that the gun was just too easy to use. I'd like to see heatbuildup time actually play a factor and not this little back-thought you have in the back of your head when spraying everywhere. I'm also okay with it doing damage 40 meters out (Armor users still get hurt at this range) as long as it's not as accurate as it is now. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 475	Posted - 2014.12.11 23:58:00 - [36] - Quote Y'all really don't understand the heavy class by and large. Quick quiz for anyone in this thread -- in what situations, in the current game, are heavies honestly less effective than assaults (as that should be the baseline for our balancing) and why? Discuss the situation in more detail with more context and y'all will do significantly better at crowdsource assisting CCP with the problem. As it is I just see discussions in a situational vacuum. Vitharr Foebane wrote: Atiim wrote: What's the point of any weapon if the alternative choice does it better? exactly... however sarcastic that may(or may not just woke up) be. but the kicker is heavies supported castrating their CPU/PG in favor of heavy weapon fitting efficiency. but now the mob(GD{mostly scouts}) is crying for for more nerfs. At this rate heavy weapons WILL be nerfed to weaker then their light counter parts and we WILL see light weapon sentinels return with a vengeance. Actually you wont. Because heavies won't get their CPU PG back, they will be unable to run decent fits. Heavies will just quit.
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 4	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:24:00 - [37] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: lulWhat? What light weapon is better then a HMG? Plasma cannon and breach ar enough said
SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix 5261	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:32:00 - [38] - Quote scratches head Heavies are easily the most OP suit - you don't like HMG? Put on a light weapon - you're still the better suit with a little gun-game. The ONLY problem HMG has is that we can't reliable hold hot points like we used too. Our gun over-heats damn quick, and with minmatards having extra ammo in there CR clips it can be quite the 1v1 between good players. But overly the heavy has the advantage in there optimal. Our only true bane is RE spamming. It's still completely bullshit. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 581	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:46:00 - [39] - Quote We haven't had a flaylock-like nerf to any weapon since Ratatti came into the fold, save perhaps the rail rifle, but God knows it needed to put it into its place so meh. Anyway, point being, I doubt the HMG will be rendered unusable any time soon. Given a very specific niche, perhaps, but not utterly terrible. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.


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