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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2709	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:13:00 - [1] - Quote So I am in my Minmatar Proto logi and it seems I cannot place more than 3 remote explosives at a time. Thinking further, A. I hope once fixed we can still place all 12+ remote explosives on a Jihad Vehicle. B. I assume now there wont be the option to switch to a free suit after placing remotes. Basically this is a huge huge nerf to Kamikaze LAV`s. My main concern is the ability to place ALL remote explosives. ISK concerns come second. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:14:00 - [2] - Quote 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15650	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:15:00 - [3] - Quote I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
hfderrtgvcd 1468	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:16:00 - [4] - Quote Its a bug. Bandwidth numbers are much lower than intended for logis You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Robocop Junior research lab 846	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:16:00 - [5] - Quote And proxies! I have no other dropsuits on my heavy so I would use a Fed logi suit to drop the 15 proxies and switch back to FG but now it went from hoopla to poopla. But if you get 3 boundless remotes plus doesn't the LAV damage total on top of the remotes? If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2709	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:17:00 - [6] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? I do not think so. Once a tank (especially shield tanks) have their hardeners up, I do not think 4 will cut it. I always stick on as many as possible. 12+ usually. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3053	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:17:00 - [7] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? Shield tanks can get over 11k HP with ease. 4 boundless RE's won't do the trick. You'd need 7 boundless RE's to do the trick. Thats where the republic comes in "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2709	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:17:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. No no, the ability to place them and then switch to a free suit was unfair. The ability to use said tactic is no more scrubby than HMG sentinel spam at objectives. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4189	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:18:00 - [9] - Quote Well duh. Not trying to be a jerk, but it was honestly not fair. And this is coming from a AV guy. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6493	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:18:00 - [10] - Quote It has to be a glitch. You should have plenty of bandwidth unless you were going overkill with you RE numbers on the JJ to begin with. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2710	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:20:00 - [11] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Well duh. Not trying to be a jerk, but it was honestly not fair. And this is coming from a AV guy. Its ok, you are entitled to your opinion and need not apologise. However please see my above post. It was only "unfair" that you could switch to a free suit. (Some people also had free LAV`s) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15652	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Well duh. Not trying to be a jerk, but it was honestly not fair. And this is coming from a AV guy. Its ok, you are entitled to your opinion and need not apologise. However please see my above post. It was only "unfair" that you could switch to a free suit. (Some people also had free LAV`s) Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2710	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:29:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Well duh. Not trying to be a jerk, but it was honestly not fair. And this is coming from a AV guy. Its ok, you are entitled to your opinion and need not apologise. However please see my above post. It was only "unfair" that you could switch to a free suit. (Some people also had free LAV`s) Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ Awareness. This is key. Tankers can use 1st person and 3rd person view points. I suggest to be as aware as humanly possible. Level lay out - LAV`s struggle like hell to gain any speed or direction unless they are on the tarmacked road. Offroad and across hills not only is a tank generally faster, it also gives many an opportunity to shoot at the Jihad LAV as it fumbles over the mud and stuff. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15653	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:34:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Well duh. Not trying to be a jerk, but it was honestly not fair. And this is coming from a AV guy. Its ok, you are entitled to your opinion and need not apologise. However please see my above post. It was only "unfair" that you could switch to a free suit. (Some people also had free LAV`s) Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ Awareness. This is key. Tankers can use 1st person and 3rd person view points. I suggest to be as aware as humanly possible. Level lay out - LAV`s struggle like hell to gain any speed or direction unless they are on the tarmacked road. Offroad and across hills not only is a tank generally faster, it also gives many an opportunity to shoot at the Jihad LAV as it fumbles over the mud and stuff. I know this but reacting to one it more difficult. Rails and Missiles are unreliable as their tracking is poor and if they detonate the LAV too close you still go up in smoke and the large blaster is a weapon based on pure luck rather than aim. Prior to 1. 8 I could pick the remotes on a Jihad individually now I'd be damn lucky to even hit where I'm aiming. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1904	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:43:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. [RYJC]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15656	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:55:00 - [16] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 700	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:56:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. You can't expect infantry to understand at all. I dare all of you to spend that $20 and spec into a vehicle. You won't do it and you know why. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5710	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:03:00 - [18] - Quote I have. I understand vehicles just fine. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5004	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:04:00 - [19] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? I do not think so. Once a tank (especially shield tanks) have their hardeners up, I do not think 4 will cut it. I always stick on as many as possible. 12+ usually. I saw 2 dudes doing that in Factional. I shot one of the REs with my shotgun and one committed suicide, and the other friendly fire against his squad mate. Lulz were had.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15658	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:04:00 - [20] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. You can't expect infantry to understand at all. I dare all of you to spend that $20 and spec into a vehicle. You won't do it and you know why. Quite the contrary who wouldn't spec into Shield HAV? Ask them to spec into Armour HAV and attempt to fill their slots. Actually ask them to try and make anything better than a standard module fit on a Soma/ Madrugar and then competitively play with that. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 700	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:06:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. You can't expect infantry to understand at all. I dare all of you to spend that $20 and spec into a vehicle. You won't do it and you know why. Quite the contrary who wouldn't spec into Shield HAV? Ask them to spec into Armour HAV and attempt to fill their slots. Actually ask them to try and make anything better than a standard module fit on a Soma/ Madrugar. Yes, you can tell armor HAV is in a bad place when Milkman switches to a Gunnlogi. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 69	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:09:00 - [22] - Quote Many call this a scrub tactic and I've fallen victim to this several times in the past but every time I pulled it off I would laugh my @%# off. Tankers will be safer but the cheap laugh is gone =ƒÿó
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15660	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:09:00 - [23] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Yes, you can tell armor HAV is in a bad place when Milkman switches to a Gunnlogi. He's been Gunnlogi-ing since 1.7 and people were too thrilled with that broken piece of **** the Tripple rep maddy to notice how epic Shield HAV were. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1905	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:28:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. It was 5 months and was damn close to being 6. I'm not saying AV wasn't OP against the UP tanks prior to that's irrelevant to the fact that tanks were demi-god mode for almost 6 months. [RYJC]
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1905	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:31:00 - [25] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ******* months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. You can't expect infantry to understand at all. I dare all of you to spend that $20 and spec into a vehicle. You won't do it and you know why. I'm not solely infantry. I'm skilled into both, tanks and ADS as well though I'm not very good at staying stable in the ADS. [RYJC]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15663	Posted - 2014.12.10 04:44:00 - [26] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thumb Green wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. It's the hallmark of emergent gameplay that resulted from the demi-god mode tanks that were driving around for almost half a year. Dude it was 3 months.... three ***** months at the start of this year..... after Upriing 1.0 through 1.6 having AV uttered wipe the floor with vehicles and deny them a place on the battlefield. You can't expect infantry to understand at all. I dare all of you to spend that $20 and spec into a vehicle. You won't do it and you know why. I'm not solely infantry. I'm skilled into both, tanks and ADS as well though I'm not very good at staying stable in the ADS. I can't fly DS for *..... used to be a recurring joke in Dead Six that you didn't fly with Harkon because he was going to crash you into a mountain. "He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
brett morris518 is well hung 28	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:06:00 - [27] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. No no, the ability to place them and then switch to a free suit was unfair. The ability to use said tactic is no more scrubby than HMG sentinel spam at objectives. Dude, you can still do it... Put a crap ton of remotes on a bpo LAV and switch into an apex logi.. Problem solved..
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2718	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:10:00 - [28] - Quote brett morris518 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. No no, the ability to place them and then switch to a free suit was unfair. The ability to use said tactic is no more scrubby than HMG sentinel spam at objectives. Dude, you can still do it... Put a crap ton of remotes on a bpo LAV and switch into an apex logi.. Problem solved.. You absolute legend Brett Morris how did I not think of that! You totally just convinced me to get the Shaman Logi! (Still CCP need to fix the bandwidth) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
brett morris518 is well hung 28	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:13:00 - [29] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: brett morris518 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. No no, the ability to place them and then switch to a free suit was unfair. The ability to use said tactic is no more scrubby than HMG sentinel spam at objectives. Dude, you can still do it... Put a crap ton of remotes on a bpo LAV and switch into an apex logi.. Problem solved.. You absolute legend Brett Morris how did I not think of that! You totally just convinced me to get the Shaman Logi! (Still CCP need to fix the bandwidth) Yeah but once it gets fixed that's gonna be a thing haha.. I'm sure some tankers were thinking it but keeping their mouth closed. Your welcome tanks :D
brett morris518 is well hung 28	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:17:00 - [30] - Quote brett morris518 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: brett morris518 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: I hope they're nerfed into oblivion....they were a bad mechanic anyway and the hall marks of AVers and Tankers alike who couldn't do their jobs right. No no, the ability to place them and then switch to a free suit was unfair. The ability to use said tactic is no more scrubby than HMG sentinel spam at objectives. Dude, you can still do it... Put a crap ton of remotes on a bpo LAV and switch into an apex logi.. Problem solved.. You absolute legend Brett Morris how did I not think of that! You totally just convinced me to get the Shaman Logi! (Still CCP need to fix the bandwidth) Yeah but once it gets fixed that's gonna be a thing haha.. I'm sure some tankers were thinking it but keeping their mouth closed. Your welcome tanks :D We are truly evil minded men, commander.. We need to go on another stomping spree with our basic gear again soon, that was fun

Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 344	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:53:00 - [31] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? 4 RE's makes a sad unicorn horn on the front of your LAV, you need to have at least 10 to make a truly majestic Unicorn LAV
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 608	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:54:00 - [32] - Quote I didnt like the tactic (same way i didnt like dropship ramming) but with the addition of vehicle passive scans, it is now much easier to see them coming at you. i dont really mind them nowadays, because i have a chance to stop them before they impact. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
brett morris518 is well hung 28	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:01:00 - [33] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: I didnt like the tactic (same way i didnt like dropship ramming) but with the addition of vehicle passive scans, it is now much easier to see them coming at you. i dont really mind them nowadays, because i have a chance to stop them before they impact. Very true.. And if u see me shooting my rifle at a passing LAV, cuz about 2/10 times I spray a few into the front of one, it had remotes on it and went bye bye.. I'll use a handful of ammo destroy a vehicle any day of the week
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2873	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:17:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Actually ask them to try and make anything better than a standard module fit on a Soma/ Madrugar and then competitively play with that. Most competitive fit I can make for a Maddie that actually does well for me is a Proto Rail, two Adv Armors, and a basic rep with an Adv Nitro slapped on. Granted, this required maxing turret operation as well as four bloody ranks in Rail Optimization... But still hilariously woefully inadequate to any Gunnlogi fit of equal investment both against other tanks as well as infantry. shrugs "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
LAVALLOIS Nash Qcgold 331	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:48:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ This is an invalid argument. First of its not "insta kill magic homing missile". If you are that bad of a tanker that the moment someone starts the engine on a J-LAV you consider your death imminent, then maybe you need more practice. Its piloted by a human prone to error but hellbent on sharing some of the pain your tanks been dealing out. Commander Bolt is right when he says the ONLY problem was switching to a free suit. if someone had to keep their mine fit for the suicide run, thats the suit would cost about 40,000. Plus 20,000 for the LAV and thats 60,000ISK; the cost of a base HAV. If someone wants to burn 60,000ISK going after your tank, what difference is it if its a suicide LAV at that cost or a forge fit at that cost or a double swarm commando at that cost. All those fits at that price range could solo demolish a 100,000ISK HAV. My 75K shield HAV could demolish a 100,000ISK tank. The problem with you, and this community at large, is that you all expect everything to be done textbook fashion. This is the way to do that, this is the way to do this, ect. Then when someone comes along and does something you weren't expecting, you seek to invalidate it. It doesnt matter if you like it or not....do you still have the affected tanks? No? they were destroyed. You lost, cased closed. Thats what I say when a proto fit shotguns my milita fit in the back. You got hit and killed by a J-LAV because you weren't paying attention. You had no situational awareness. Its your job as an HAV pilot to have situational awareness and be paying attention. Dont blame the LAV for hitting you, blame yourself for your failure to prevent or stop it. And be glad it wasn't an Imperial owned vehicle you lost due to complacency.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15671	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:56:00 - [36] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: True Adamance wrote: Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ This is an invalid argument. First of its not "insta kill magic homing missile". If you are that bad of a tanker that the moment someone starts the engine on a J-LAV you consider your death imminent, then maybe you need more practice. Its piloted by a human prone to error but hellbent on sharing some of the pain your tanks been dealing out. Commander Bolt is right when he says the ONLY problem was switching to a free suit. if someone had to keep their mine fit for the suicide run, thats the suit would cost about 40,000. Plus 20,000 for the LAV and thats 60,000ISK; the cost of a base HAV. If someone wants to burn 60,000ISK going after your tank, what difference is it if its a suicide LAV at that cost or a forge fit at that cost or a double swarm commando at that cost. All those fits at that price range could solo demolish a 100,000ISK HAV. My 75K shield HAV could demolish a 100,000ISK tank. The problem with you, and this community at large, is that you all expect everything to be done textbook fashion. This is the way to do that, this is the way to do this, ect. Then when someone comes along and does something you weren't expecting, you seek to invalidate it. It doesnt matter if you like it or not....do you still have the affected tanks? No? they were destroyed. You lost, cased closed. Thats what I say when a proto fit shotguns my milita fit in the back. You got hit and killed by a J-LAV because you weren't paying attention. You had no situational awareness. Its your job as an HAV pilot to have situational awareness and be paying attention. Dont blame the LAV for hitting you, blame yourself for your failure to prevent or stop it. And be glad it wasn't an Imperial owned vehicle you lost due to complacency. I don't seek to invalidate clever gameplay..... but ramming a jeep packed with explosives into a tank is not clever and its generally speaking a poor mechanic IMO. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1281	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:58:00 - [37] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I am in my Minmatar Proto logi and it seems I cannot place more than 3 remote explosives at a time. Thinking further, A. I hope once fixed we can still place all 12+ remote explosives on a Jihad Vehicle. B. I assume now there wont be the option to switch to a free suit after placing remotes. Basically this is a huge huge nerf to Kamikaze LAV`s. My main concern is the ability to place ALL remote explosives. ISK concerns come second. Once the bandwidth numbers are fixed you will be able to stack plenty of remotes as long as you use a proto logi. The nerf was to free jihad jeeps, you are now going to have to spend 60-70k if you wanna cheap shot a tank. I actually wish this was not the case as I also loved going J Jeeping every once in a while when a tanker pissed me off.
brett morris518 is well hung 29	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:06:00 - [38] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: So I am in my Minmatar Proto logi and it seems I cannot place more than 3 remote explosives at a time. Thinking further, A. I hope once fixed we can still place all 12+ remote explosives on a Jihad Vehicle. B. I assume now there wont be the option to switch to a free suit after placing remotes. Basically this is a huge huge nerf to Kamikaze LAV`s. My main concern is the ability to place ALL remote explosives. ISK concerns come second. Once the bandwidth numbers are fixed you will be able to stack plenty of remotes as long as you use a proto logi. The nerf was to free jihad jeeps, you are now going to have to spend 60-70k if you wanna cheap shot a tank. I actually wish this was not the case as I also loved going J Jeeping every once in a while when a tanker pissed me off. U can still do it for free
brett morris518 is well hung 29	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:07:00 - [39] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: True Adamance wrote: Not it was unfair that with less than 100,000 ISK you could make an instant kill magic homing missile that moved at 100kmph and had the on board guidance slightly more intelligent than a raccoon but still enough to take it directly into the hull of its intended target. And with a many "hyuk hyuks" the on board guidance re-spawns to do it all over again........ This is an invalid argument. First of its not "insta kill magic homing missile". If you are that bad of a tanker that the moment someone starts the engine on a J-LAV you consider your death imminent, then maybe you need more practice. Its piloted by a human prone to error but hellbent on sharing some of the pain your tanks been dealing out. Commander Bolt is right when he says the ONLY problem was switching to a free suit. if someone had to keep their mine fit for the suicide run, thats the suit would cost about 40,000. Plus 20,000 for the LAV and thats 60,000ISK; the cost of a base HAV. If someone wants to burn 60,000ISK going after your tank, what difference is it if its a suicide LAV at that cost or a forge fit at that cost or a double swarm commando at that cost. All those fits at that price range could solo demolish a 100,000ISK HAV. My 75K shield HAV could demolish a 100,000ISK tank. The problem with you, and this community at large, is that you all expect everything to be done textbook fashion. This is the way to do that, this is the way to do this, ect. Then when someone comes along and does something you weren't expecting, you seek to invalidate it. It doesnt matter if you like it or not....do you still have the affected tanks? No? they were destroyed. You lost, cased closed. Thats what I say when a proto fit shotguns my milita fit in the back. You got hit and killed by a J-LAV because you weren't paying attention. You had no situational awareness. Its your job as an HAV pilot to have situational awareness and be paying attention. Dont blame the LAV for hitting you, blame yourself for your failure to prevent or stop it. And be glad it wasn't an Imperial owned vehicle you lost due to complacency. Why does nobody listen to me.. "Was the problem"? Again you can still do it for free
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2452	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:18:00 - [40] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I am in my Minmatar Proto logi and it seems I cannot place more than 3 remote explosives at a time. Thinking further, A. I hope once fixed we can still place all 12+ remote explosives on a Jihad Vehicle. B. I assume now there wont be the option to switch to a free suit after placing remotes. Basically this is a huge huge nerf to Kamikaze LAV`s. My main concern is the ability to place ALL remote explosives. ISK concerns come second. No, it shouldn't be "fixed." Learn how to use AV. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

brett morris518 is well hung 29	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:40:00 - [41] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: So I am in my Minmatar Proto logi and it seems I cannot place more than 3 remote explosives at a time. Thinking further, A. I hope once fixed we can still place all 12+ remote explosives on a Jihad Vehicle. B. I assume now there wont be the option to switch to a free suit after placing remotes. Basically this is a huge huge nerf to Kamikaze LAV`s. My main concern is the ability to place ALL remote explosives. ISK concerns come second. No, it shouldn't be "fixed." Learn how to use AV. He means the bandwidth fix so be can drop that many period.. And once the bandwidth is fixed, u will have free LAVs with a crap ton of remotes on them again
LAVALLOIS Nash Qcgold 332	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:54:00 - [42] - Quote brett morris518 wrote: Why does nobody listen to me.. "Was the problem"? Again you can still do it for free Because you arent saying anything. EXPLAIN how it would be for free. How does that work with bandwidth? True Adamance wrote: I don't seek to invalidate clever gameplay..... but ramming a jeep packed with explosives into a tank is not clever and its generally speaking a poor mechanic IMO. Its an act of desperation. Thats the thing about warfare. Its called the Jihad Jeep, but during WW2 kamikazee pilots did some extensive damage to some ships and forced the U.S. Navy to change its way of doing things to counter the new threat. This is the same thing. An HAV driver might not want to stop farming infantry with an Ion Cannon to chase down and pick off that LAV thats been buzzing around. Its a choice that could prove fatal. When it does, next time he sees a LAV buzzing around, hes going to break off his assault on the infantry to focus on the new threat. Sometimes though, it will just be a regular LAV driving around that will spook a tank. Thats where the strategic depth comes in. It forces tankers to regard all LAVs as a credible threat and change their tactics accordingly.
brett morris518 is well hung 29	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:05:00 - [43] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: brett morris518 wrote: Why does nobody listen to me.. "Was the problem"? Again you can still do it for free Because you arent saying anything. EXPLAIN how it would be for free. How does that work with bandwidth? True Adamance wrote: I don't seek to invalidate clever gameplay..... but ramming a jeep packed with explosives into a tank is not clever and its generally speaking a poor mechanic IMO. Its an act of desperation. Thats the thing about warfare. Its called the Jihad Jeep, but during WW2 kamikazee pilots did some extensive damage to some ships and forced the U.S. Navy to change its way of doing things to counter the new threat. This is the same thing. An HAV driver might not want to stop farming infantry with an Ion Cannon to chase down and pick off that LAV thats been buzzing around. Its a choice that could prove fatal. When it does, next time he sees a LAV buzzing around, hes going to break off his assault on the infantry to focus on the new threat. Sometimes though, it will just be a regular LAV driving around that will spook a tank. Thats where the strategic depth comes in. It forces tankers to regard all LAVs as a credible threat and change their tactics accordingly. You're killing me smalls lol.. Read the whole thread please.. I'll explain again.. Not everyone can do this but still..Step 1) bring in logi with stupid amount of remotes. Step 2) call in blueprint LAV. Step3) load up the LAV with remotes.. Step 4) change into apex logi.. Ta-da!! :P
brett morris518 is well hung 29	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:09:00 - [44] - Quote I knew I would find a way to break something with my free logi mwahahaha
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3299	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:29:00 - [45] - Quote Pro tip: BPO Logi suit. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 40	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:32:00 - [46] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? I do not think so. Once a tank (especially shield tanks) have their hardeners up, I do not think 4 will cut it. I always stick on as many as possible. 12+ usually. i guess u better find some more av to take out that tank then not do it the unskilled way and i think remotes need a simple nurff make them placed not thrown because its not a grenade to detonate on contact
brett morris518 is well hung 30	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:33:00 - [47] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Pro tip: BPO Logi suit. This ^ (for the third time people)
brett morris518 is well hung 30	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:36:00 - [48] - Quote Pisidon Gmen wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: 4 boundless remotes is enough isn't it? I do not think so. Once a tank (especially shield tanks) have their hardeners up, I do not think 4 will cut it. I always stick on as many as possible. 12+ usually. i guess u better find some more av to take out that tank then not do it the unskilled way and i think remotes need a simple nurff make them placed not thrown because its not a grenade to detonate on contact Lolz.. He will do it for zero isk now ... Apparently reading the whole thread before u input is a thing of the past


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