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Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.09 16:51:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Too bad we can't change the efficiency of the gallogi, it's hardcoded, apparantly. No, don't misunderstand me. This isn't exactly a bad thing, IF you want to remove scouts from being recon tools. Think about it this way, Powerful Gal logi scans would force medium frames to DAMP to avoid them. So long as its POSSIBLE to avoid those scans, you will have med frames dampening to get under them. Damped Med frames however, would then be targeted by scouts. They may dodge active scanners, but they can't avoid the scouts. So if they get killed by scouts, what will they do? Their own scouts will start targeting the scouts. See how it works? It's not necessarily BAD, but it does shift the scouts role, from "Detect the masses" to "Detect the damped" Just some thought on this before I head out to take my chem final. Wish me luck. Gal logi's should be targeted by scouts as well . Someone knowing your position has nothing to do with how you handle them , ask a heavy that can't get under any scanner or the assault that plays to there role and that's slayer , they carry a scanner and if a Gal logi is equipped with all scanners then there a easy target as well as you being seen . Most of you people that bring up these items are in a squad when you play , so I just can't understand why the biggest complainers are the one's who belong to a squad of a big corp , so there are multiple squads involved . because the biggest complainers never play support roles, they only play slayer/cloak scout roles.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
5361
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:11:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Too bad we can't change the efficiency of the gallogi, it's hardcoded, apparantly. Sarcasm... I have the forum Precision to detect it.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
8688
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:30:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Too bad we can't change the efficiency of the gallogi, it's hardcoded, apparantly. No, don't misunderstand me. This isn't exactly a bad thing, IF you want to remove scouts from being recon tools. Think about it this way, Powerful Gal logi scans would force medium frames to DAMP to avoid them. So long as its POSSIBLE to avoid those scans, you will have med frames dampening to get under them. Damped Med frames however, would then be targeted by scouts. They may dodge active scanners, but they can't avoid the scouts. So if they get killed by scouts, what will they do? Their own scouts will start targeting the scouts. See how it works? It's not necessarily BAD, but it does shift the scouts role, from "Detect the masses" to "Detect the damped" Just some thought on this before I head out to take my chem final. Wish me luck. Gal logi's should be targeted by scouts as well . Someone knowing your position has nothing to do with how you handle them , ask a heavy that can't get under any scanner or the assault that plays to there role and that's slayer , they carry a scanner and if a Gal logi is equipped with all scanners then there a easy target as well as you being seen . Most of you people that bring up these items are in a squad when you play , so I just can't understand why the biggest complainers are the one's who belong to a squad of a big corp , so there are multiple squads involved .
Please point out any and all "complaining" in the above post.
I'm just pointing out that "Scouts" are no longer a recon unit, and showing his this meta change will affect them and how they are played.
Very little complaining in there. If you read carefully, you'll even see that I'm claiming that the loss of strong scans on scouts is a good thing.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
802
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:55:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Too bad we can't change the efficiency of the gallogi, it's hardcoded, apparantly. Sarcasm... I have the forum Precision to detect it.
You must be running a Gal Logi.... |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
802
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:58:00 -
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One suit, with one particular scanner, both of which are proto, can find you.
How many of those do you think you run into in any given match?
I have both, trust me, it's not my (or anyone elses) most run suit. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19962
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:16:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack.
This makes me insanely happy and is exactly what I wanted to see happen, given that active scanning is so much less powerful than passive.
The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1022
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Posted - 2014.12.09 18:46:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:1 piece of equipment is that makes it now the best recon suit and that is the Creodron flux active scanner.
Scan range: 200m scan angle: 90 degree scan precision on a gal. logi: 21DB
So why should i move in with a scout suit to check the situation if i can sit far away with a gal.logi and just pop scans into that direction? Scouts are dead you murdered effectively a whole class. Gotta give it to you if you do something then you do it mercyless. Nope.. the best scan is CreoDron Proximity Active Scan Range: 60m scan angle: 45 degree scan presicion: 21db 15 sec visibility (full Logi Gal) 15sec. cool (yeah instant scanning) And is Like : "did you see the blurry spot in the wall guys... yeah the cloacked scout with a red arrow over the head?... you can kill it !! boys !!" Scanning 200m is just for looking a Sniper, and only in tactical position in a Planetary Conquest Battle. not for Public Contract.
so wait, my proto cal scout, with one comp damp at 20db gets under the best active scanner system currently?
Why in the fck are scrub scouts whining again?
Looking at you Gavro, Sir Dukey, Ace Boone.
Fack it, might as well board the hype-train again. At least there's tracks this time.
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1629
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack.
want some ointment for that BURN?
This is a good way to balance things, you don't get the full benefit passively; you have to spec into something and forego the use of a weapon to help your team, that's always how you should truly benefit from something in this game.
GG
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
5711
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:20:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So my ass can be detected by a scan that comes every 20 seconds for 5 seconds, and is 90 degrees?
I'll take that over 24/7 360 degrees scanning. Except it's not either/or It's both Gal Logi can see you with his 360-¦ scan and light you up to check which way you are facingGǪ before Gal Logi and Gal Heavy come bursting in to give you HMG hard loving. whats stopping scouts from doing it? oh I know... they would rather have their Frisbee REs Logi has better Passive range, more slots and Gal has the Bonus to Active scanners As to RE'sGǪ does your butt still hurt over that? Only time I remember hitting you with RE's I.. Didn't frisbee those at you set em as a trap lolled hard when you bounced off the ceiling If your butt was not camped on the stairs I would not have had the time to set one bait and two covers on you.. but meh
MOAR Ladders
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
8699
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:45:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Too bad we can't change the efficiency of the gallogi, it's hardcoded, apparantly. No, don't misunderstand me. This isn't exactly a bad thing, IF you want to remove scouts from being recon tools. Think about it this way, Powerful Gal logi scans would force medium frames to DAMP to avoid them. So long as its POSSIBLE to avoid those scans, you will have med frames dampening to get under them. Damped Med frames however, would then be targeted by scouts. They may dodge active scanners, but they can't avoid the scouts. So if they get killed by scouts, what will they do? Their own scouts will start targeting the scouts. See how it works? It's not necessarily BAD, but it does shift the scouts role, from "Detect the masses" to "Detect the damped" Just some thought on this before I head out to take my chem final. Wish me luck. Good luck ;)
Thanks!
I'm fairly certain I rocked it, and I also found out I got a 92% on my Chem Lab Final that I took earlier.
Great way to reward myself today, with 1.10 Dust for a few hours.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1214
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:50:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote: .... do you know how expensive those are? you cant just throw those things around.
lolpoors |
Sergeant Sazu
Kitties of Doom
221
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:20:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote: .... do you know how expensive those are? you cant just throw those things around.
lolpoors
lolrich players that don't share their mountains of ISK and tell us to get good while they steamroll pubs in proto; subsequently making it kinda hard to "get good".
Disclaimer: Making a generalized statement, not presumtuously pointing fingers.
[35.6m SP - Next skill: Cardiac Regulation 2]
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17997
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:36:00 -
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1. Would love to seek the active scanner efficacy be effected by base suit stats.
2. Would love to see various actions light you up on scanner such as sprinting; Idump; shooting and the loudest of all active scanning.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1214
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:44:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Dust User wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote: .... do you know how expensive those are? you cant just throw those things around.
lolpoors lolrich players that don't share their mountains of ISK and tell us to get good while they steamroll pubs in proto; subsequently making it kinda hard to "get good". Disclaimer: Making a generalized statement, not presumtuously pointing fingers.
lolpubs |
Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1270
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:45:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi?
2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners.
Chocolate Juice
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo
18
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:51:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Aidualc wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:1 piece of equipment is that makes it now the best recon suit and that is the Creodron flux active scanner.
Scan range: 200m scan angle: 90 degree scan precision on a gal. logi: 21DB
So why should i move in with a scout suit to check the situation if i can sit far away with a gal.logi and just pop scans into that direction? Scouts are dead you murdered effectively a whole class. Gotta give it to you if you do something then you do it mercyless. Nope.. the best scan is CreoDron Proximity Active Scan Range: 60m scan angle: 45 degree scan presicion: 21db 15 sec visibility (full Logi Gal) 15sec. cool (yeah instant scanning) And is Like : "did you see the blurry spot in the wall guys... yeah the cloacked scout with a red arrow over the head?... you can kill it !! boys !!" Scanning 200m is just for looking a Sniper, and only in tactical position in a Planetary Conquest Battle. not for Public Contract. so wait, my proto cal scout, with one comp damp at 20db gets under the best active scanner system currently? Why in the fck are scrub scouts whining again? Looking at you Gavro, Sir Dukey, Ace Boone.
Nop, Duvolle Focused Active Scanner gets 15db
Only Gallente scout + 3 Complex Dampers is barely "safe", because didn-¦t appair in the radar, but the scan message said : "Some error", and you know that maybe a scout cloacked is nerby....
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Sergeant Sazu
Kitties of Doom
221
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Posted - 2014.12.09 20:59:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:Dust User wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote: .... do you know how expensive those are? you cant just throw those things around.
lolpoors lolrich players that don't share their mountains of ISK and tell us to get good while they steamroll pubs in proto; subsequently making it kinda hard to "get good". Disclaimer: Making a generalized statement, not presumtuously pointing fingers. lolpubs
So sorry that I don't chase the meta and earn the respect of PC corps. So sorry that I don't Q sync into FW. Pubs are where I'll be most of the time. It's my only choice by elimination.
It'd be nice if we had our corp battles back. >_>
[35.6m SP - Next skill: Cardiac Regulation 2]
(Assault mk.0 - Logistics mk.0)
{Lv 5 CR, AR, MD, SL, SMG, ScP, NK, HMG}
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
804
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Posted - 2014.12.09 21:39:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? 2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners.
damn, someone who has to invest in a proto suit and a proto scanner and spend more isk per loss can scan you (IF they bother using the suit), your life is so hard.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3525
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Posted - 2014.12.09 21:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? 2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners. What's the point in mentioning the SP? The gallogi costs just as much as a scout in terms of sp.
Fatal Absolution Director
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roblox098
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
26
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I thought it was the exact opposite I 10\/3 5(0/_/75
i also love leet
Scout ck.0 and mk.0
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
6230
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:20:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? 2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners. What's the point in mentioning the SP? The gallogi costs just as much as a scout in terms of sp.
Not to mention a Gal Logi with 4 Scanners IS a ridiculously EXPENSIVE (and dumb) fit. SPECIALLY with 4 proto Scanners XD
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
564
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:54:00 -
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1.10 Patch notes wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. * Enemy orientation has been removed from all scan results.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
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JIAF-PR
151
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:07:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? 2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners. What's the point in mentioning the SP? The gallogi costs just as much as a scout in terms of sp. Not to mention a Gal Logi with 4 Scanners IS a ridiculously EXPENSIVE (and dumb) fit. SPECIALLY with 4 proto Scanners XD But it is possible to use (it's like a scout would equip 2 cloak field), my thinking is
Quote: if you want eliminate the probability of active scanner spam do them like the cloak field (only 1 for suit). or not restrict scouts to only 1 fields for suit because that is also a ridiculous fitting.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1384
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:35:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? define best. Being able to detect the vast majority of players in the game (Gal Logi scans are very difficult to dodge if you are NOT scout), along with them now also being able to share those scans with the TEAM and those scans are now more powerful than passive scans (With the arrow now included) Literally the best recon suit in the game. Why walk over to the objective with a sneaky scout and see whats up, when you can stand 80m away and *Click* Oh there they are. Granted, Scouts still have a role. It just isn't recon. Their role is stealth. That's it. Cloak Nerf and range amp nerf means that scouts have some severely nerfed passive scans compared to before. Hell, the LOGI is better at passive scanning than we are. Scouts are only good for dodging scans, and finding other damped suits. They are all now assassin suits. Have you read the suit descriptions? They are supposed to be assassins. Not scan masters,not light assaults,assassins.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1279
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Posted - 2014.12.10 00:52:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Pretty sure we never said active.
Since, you know, the active scanner requires you to do something and is not a 360 degree wall hack. So the best recon tool in the game is now the Gal Logi? 2.5 million sp worth of scout not as good as a gal logi with 4 scanners. damn, someone who has to invest in a proto suit and a proto scanner and spend more isk per loss can scan you (IF they bother using the suit), your life is so hard.
You act like scouts don't spend sp in ewar modules. Bish please, come back with a better argument.
Chocolate Juice
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