DUST Search - How do you feel about the strong boxes?

Vell0cet wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

i assume they will be something along the lines of what a few other games already do like STO where these are quite common items to get but the keys are not. while everyone can get access to them they will likely aquire more boxes than keys hence the keys for aur.

if they are using the same model as other games we might see extra rare bpos and items in these boxes which can only be obtained through opening them.

overall should be a nice addition to the game. we all like free stuff

edit : or what they said above me

I have major pay-to-win alarms going off. It may release with a very reasonable mix of gear, and reasonable drop rates of keys, and then some dude in the financial department might have the bright idea of silently turning a few dials on various percentages to make them more enticing to spend the AUR. Combine this with player trading, and this well-intentioned mechanic could easily devolve into buying officer gear for AUR. The extreme rarity of officer gear is what keeps the balance of otherwise very OP items in-check (and I love that they are OP and very rare--it adds more risk/reward). If it ever becomes possible to buy a ton of boxes for very little ISK and unlock them for AUR to get tons of officer gear, the game will have crossed the threshold into pay-to-win territory.

All parties involved (CCP, CPM, the players) need to be vigilant against this happening. It could seriously break DUST. I would like to hear CCP commit to always keeping the CPM informed about any changes to drop rates in the future. There should be a policy that CCP never changes drop rates without publicly announcing it.

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sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1576	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:13:00 - [1] - Quote I saw that it is possible to get them without paying AUR and am very happy. Really I hope to just open one on thursday just to see the contents. On other terms: CCP Rattati has the same internet problems as I once did! :p *IGS is so quiet now, the silence is almost unbearable.*
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4977	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:14:00 - [2] - Quote I'll let you know once I get one. I hope it's not like Destiny though that gives you useless gear 99% of the time.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4749	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:15:00 - [3] - Quote looks at DCUO you should already know my response >:( (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 108	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote Hoping for an officer Dropsuit of the Caldari kind. Looking at you Balac's. -.- Raging alcoholic. Quafe is life. Quafe is love.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2029	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote i think it will be quite fun as I'm a sucker for RNGsus. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6618	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote Minja officer? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10438	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote I'll wait until I try them out before I make my final judgement. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 977	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:32:00 - [8] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I saw that it is possible to get them without paying AUR and am very happy. Really I hope to just open one on thursday just to see the contents. On other terms: CCP Rattati has the same internet problems as I once did! :p I feel pretty strong about them. Pretty strong. It's the keys. There in lies the rub. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2031	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:33:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: quafe lav bpo's he said without promising anything Original thread somethin I remembered Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6620	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:34:00 - [10] - Quote Skills further into lav Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2031	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:46:00 - [11] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I saw that it is possible to get them without paying AUR and am very happy. Really I hope to just open one on thursday just to see the contents. On other terms: CCP Rattati has the same internet problems as I once did! :p I feel pretty strong about them. Pretty strong. It's the keys. There in lies the rub. keys can be obtained through missions as well if i'm no mistaken Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 79	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:49:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Minja officer? The only officer scout is Gallente. CCP Logibro wrote: Logibro (Minmatar Logistics) 5/5/4 L G - 570CPU/90PG +50 shields, +50 armor, 35db scan precision, 20m scan range Primarily a blue skin Rattati (Gallente Assault) 3/5/2 L L G - 480CPU/90PG +50 armor, +10hp/s armor, +0.15m/s movement speed base Primarily a green skin with camo Frame (Caldari Assault) 5/3/1 L L S G - 500CPU/80PG 200 Stamina, +10hp/s shield, +50 shield, + 0.15m/s movement speed base Red and black with camo Archduke (Minmatar Sentinel) 3/2/0 H L S G - 400CPU/60PG +5 hp/s armor, +10hp/s shield, +50 shield, -1 to shield recharge (and depleted) delay Faded red and blue Scotsman (Gallente Scout) 2/5/3 L S G - 480CPU/95PG +50 shield, +50 armor, 35db scan precision, 25m scan range Deep red (for now - may change) Storm Raider (Amarr Commando) 1/4/2 L L G - 400CPU/85PG +100 armor, +50 shield, 15m scan range Yellow and red Standard "Subject to change" disclaimer.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1898	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:50:00 - [13] - Quote The salvage system fcking hates me so I'll wait to see whether or not I get one before determining how I feel about them. [RYJC]

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 13044	Posted - 2014.12.09 04:53:00 - [14] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I saw that it is possible to get them without paying AUR and am very happy. Really I hope to just open one on thursday just to see the contents. On other terms: CCP Rattati has the same internet problems as I once did! :p I feel pretty strong about them. Pretty strong. It's the keys. There in lies the rub. keys can be obtained through missions as well if i'm no mistaken keys and boxes are available in the EOM salvage, as well as rewards for daily missions. Each box contains a good chance of aur std/adv/pro gear for the new players and veterans alike, skillbooks, rare gear such as officer gear, plus boosters. We are using this logic as the foundation of loot, instead of the EOM salvage which was too limited for our needs. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1686	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:00:00 - [15] - Quote i assume they will be something along the lines of what a few other games already do like STO where these are quite common items to get but the keys are not. while everyone can get access to them they will likely aquire more boxes than keys hence the keys for aur. if they are using the same model as other games we might see extra rare bpos and items in these boxes which can only be obtained through opening them. overall should be a nice addition to the game. we all like free stuff edit : or what they said above me All Hail Legion
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1898	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:01:00 - [16] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: Rattati (Gallente Assault) 3/5/2 L L G - 480CPU/90PG +50 armor, +10hp/s armor, +0.15m/s movement speed base Primarily a green skin with camo Two light weapons on an Assault? With the other stats that sounds like it's going to be one OP suit. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a suit named after the Holy One. [RYJC]

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 13046	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:03:00 - [17] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Mordecai Snake wrote: Rattati (Gallente Assault) 3/5/2 L L G - 480CPU/90PG +50 armor, +10hp/s armor, +0.15m/s movement speed base Primarily a green skin with camo Two light weapons on an Assault? With the other stats that sounds like it's going to be one OP suit. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a suit named after the Holy One. I call it the Thundercougarfalconbird "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2033	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:03:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I saw that it is possible to get them without paying AUR and am very happy. Really I hope to just open one on thursday just to see the contents. On other terms: CCP Rattati has the same internet problems as I once did! :p I feel pretty strong about them. Pretty strong. It's the keys. There in lies the rub. keys can be obtained through missions as well if i'm no mistaken keys and boxes are available in the EOM salvage, as well as rewards for daily missions. Each box contains a good chance of aur std/adv/pro gear for the new players and veterans alike, skillbooks, rare gear such as officer gear, plus boosters. We are using this logic as the foundation of loot, instead of the EOM salvage which was too limited for our needs. I got quoted by a dev... SQUEEE ^.^ Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2659	Posted - 2014.12.09 05:48:00 - [19] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i assume they will be something along the lines of what a few other games already do like STO where these are quite common items to get but the keys are not. while everyone can get access to them they will likely aquire more boxes than keys hence the keys for aur. if they are using the same model as other games we might see extra rare bpos and items in these boxes which can only be obtained through opening them. overall should be a nice addition to the game. we all like free stuff edit : or what they said above me I have major pay-to-win alarms going off. It may release with a very reasonable mix of gear, and reasonable drop rates of keys, and then some dude in the financial department might have the bright idea of silently turning a few dials on various percentages to make them more enticing to spend the AUR. Combine this with player trading, and this well-intentioned mechanic could easily devolve into buying officer gear for AUR. The extreme rarity of officer gear is what keeps the balance of otherwise very OP items in-check (and I love that they are OP and very rare--it adds more risk/reward). If it ever becomes possible to buy a ton of boxes for very little ISK and unlock them for AUR to get tons of officer gear, the game will have crossed the threshold into pay-to-win territory. All parties involved (CCP, CPM, the players) need to be vigilant against this happening. It could seriously break DUST. I would like to hear CCP commit to always keeping the CPM informed about any changes to drop rates in the future. There should be a policy that CCP never changes drop rates without publicly announcing it. Best PvE idea ever!
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4180	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:07:00 - [20] - Quote I want that BPO LAV and I will pay isk/AUR to any individuals who finds one! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8747	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:10:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Mordecai Snake wrote: Rattati (Gallente Assault) 3/5/2 L L G - 480CPU/90PG +50 armor, +10hp/s armor, +0.15m/s movement speed base Primarily a green skin with camo Two light weapons on an Assault? With the other stats that sounds like it's going to be one OP suit. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a suit named after the Holy One. I call it the Thundercougarfalconbird Assault Rifle and Shotgun on the Same Mobile suit!? Mouth Waters Kallente's Assault Rifle and The Automatic Shotgun!? Faints CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1223	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:14:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Mordecai Snake wrote: Rattati (Gallente Assault) 3/5/2 L L G - 480CPU/90PG +50 armor, +10hp/s armor, +0.15m/s movement speed base Primarily a green skin with camo Two light weapons on an Assault? With the other stats that sounds like it's going to be one OP suit. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a suit named after the Holy One. I call it the Thundercougarfalconbird Assault Rifle and Shotgun on the Same Mobile suit!? Mouth Waters Kallente's Assault Rifle and The Automatic Shotgun!? Faints Wow just wow those stats are ridiculous. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1088	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:21:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I call it the Thundercougarfalconbird That's why I love Rattati. Futurama references. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8747	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:30:00 - [24] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Wow just wow those stats are ridiculous. I'm at a loss for words right now. I'd have 33 hp/s 641 armor and run at 7.50 With two Officer weapons: Assault Rifle and Auto shotgun And three complex damage mods in the Highs. I am Lightning, the Rain transformed. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 400	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:33:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Wow just wow those stats are ridiculous. I'm at a loss for words right now. I'd have 33 hp/s 641 armor and run at 7.50 With two Officer weapons: Assault Rifle and Auto shotgun And three complex damage mods in the Highs. I am Lightning, the Rain transformed. And you'll get BOOM by an RE or BLAP by a tank/scout/Fg and anything that kills you in 1 hit ;D Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 473	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:42:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Assault Rifle and Shotgun on the Same Mobile suit!? Have you tried the Black Eagle Scout? I still have a few laying around
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 201	Posted - 2014.12.09 06:59:00 - [27] - Quote I hope rare gear is rare and not given out like sweets. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 44	Posted - 2014.12.09 07:17:00 - [28] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i assume they will be something along the lines of what a few other games already do like STO where these are quite common items to get but the keys are not. while everyone can get access to them they will likely aquire more boxes than keys hence the keys for aur. if they are using the same model as other games we might see extra rare bpos and items in these boxes which can only be obtained through opening them. overall should be a nice addition to the game. we all like free stuff edit : or what they said above me I have major pay-to-win alarms going off. It may release with a very reasonable mix of gear, and reasonable drop rates of keys, and then some dude in the financial department might have the bright idea of silently turning a few dials on various percentages to make them more enticing to spend the AUR. Combine this with player trading, and this well-intentioned mechanic could easily devolve into buying officer gear for AUR. The extreme rarity of officer gear is what keeps the balance of otherwise very OP items in-check (and I love that they are OP and very rare--it adds more risk/reward). If it ever becomes possible to buy a ton of boxes for very little ISK and unlock them for AUR to get tons of officer gear, the game will have crossed the threshold into pay-to-win territory. All parties involved (CCP, CPM, the players) need to be vigilant against this happening. It could seriously break DUST. I would like to hear CCP commit to always keeping the CPM informed about any changes to drop rates in the future. There should be a policy that CCP never changes drop rates without publicly announcing it. Blah blah irrelevant post blah. Your point regards player trading, a feature that defeats your greatest concern. Play eve sometime. When CCP says player trading, that means EVERYTHING. When items can be traded, keys can be bought for aurum and traded for isk. This way the casual player can find his/her character with real money while the hardcore player can use the isk they earn to buy otherwise aurum goods from ppl who do support the game. Everything in game becomes attainable. The game then is truly free to play. Even boosters could potentially go for a few million isk. Meditate on the glorious truth of eve player trading. It will be a magical thing
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 400	Posted - 2014.12.09 07:24:00 - [29] - Quote Irrelevant? I don't thibk what Vellocet said was irrelevant, it was absolutely true. If it happebs that you earn much more boxes than keys, and that these keys can be obtained much easily with AUR, then it could unbalance the game seriously between players who pay and those who don't. But we don't know the droprate yet so we'll just have to wait and see ^^ Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1066	Posted - 2014.12.09 08:45:00 - [30] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Irrelevant? I don't thibk what Vellocet said was irrelevant, it was absolutely true. If it happens that you earn much more boxes than keys, and that these keys can be obtained much easily with AUR, then it could unbalance the game seriously between players who pay and those who don't. But we don't know the droprate yet so we'll just have to wait and see ^^ The irrelevance Greiv is referring to is Vell0cet's statements of "pay-to-win" in the first, following it up with "player market" in the next. We already know Mission Rewards will allow us to earn keys. My fear is that drop rates of Encrypted Strongboxes will be so common, it will entice users to buy AUR for the purpose of mass purchasing of keys and enlist in "RNG pay-to-win" lottery so to speak. Player markets and/or player trading would in fact make it further from a "pay-to-win" scenario. While this would still depend on Lockbox drop rates, it would allow players the option of working toward keys via Missions, or buying or trading with other players to achieve keys with ISK. What interests me is Rattati revealing that skillbooks would be something dropped from Lockboxes, which strongly suggests to me that Player Market and/or Trading is in the near future. Skillbooks are either not a problem for many vets - either the ISK is not a problem, or we already have said skill. It's great that this is being implemented, don't get me wrong, as it greatly helps the NPE. However as a vet, I don't need extra skillbooks. Unless those skillbooks can become an extra revenue source. TL;DR: "Lockboxes" + "Player trading/market" =/= "Pay-to-win". "Lockboxes" + "Drop rates" may = "Pay-to-win" or at the very least, the stench of similar enticement of "mobile game" apps. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG



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