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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:20:00 -
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I'll go on record saying these changes will lead to more redline matches and more unbalanced gameplay.
This change does nerf solo gameplay, but solo gameplay wasn't easy before. Instead of squading up people QQ'd on the forums and played passively hoping others would do all the work.
If these changes were to prod people into groups it'll still take an increase in payouts to push people to fight harder.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
2219
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:47:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS?
Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass.
You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!"
You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it.
You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band.
If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
971
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:52:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS? Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass. You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!" You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it. You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band. If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot.
1. Assaults need ammo, not a used up equipment slot with 0 uplinks left to deploy.
2. When you deploy an uplink on the ground, do you stay within 10 meters of it and defend friendlies who are spawning in? If not, you are doing your team a disservice when they get camped/REd and your link is removed by hostiles.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2551
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:54:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS? Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass. You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!" You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it. You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band. If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot.
STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE HEAVY AS A SQUAD ONLY SUIT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN THIS WAY.
It makes my eyes bleed, vision blur and my head throb uncontrollably.
You either play this game once or twice every two weeks.... Or just haven't played for 6 months and have bought into some of the made up forum bullshit.
This is what theory crafting looks like in DUST when you are out of touch with how the game actually plays.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
3845
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Posted - 2014.12.07 04:57:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS? Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass. You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!" You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it. You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band. If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot.
Assaults stopped being support and primarily slayers when they lost their second equipment slot. Squads should be pitted against other squads, solo's against solo's.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
2221
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:07:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS? Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass. You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!" You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it. You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band. If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot. STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE HEAVY AS A SQUAD ONLY SUIT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN THIS WAY. It makes my eyes bleed, vision blur and my head throb uncontrollably. You either play this game once or twice every two weeks.... Or just haven't played for 6 months and have bought into some of the made up forum bullshit. This is what theory crafting looks like in DUST when you are out of touch with how the game actually plays.
Ok. Sure. I'll ask the question.
WHAT THE FUK DO YOU DO WITH A SUIT THAT GOES 3.65M/S?
POINT DEFENSE. AND WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR A VERY GOOD POINT DEFENSE? HIVES AND LINKS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT BRINGS HIVES AND LINKS? LOGIS. AND YOU KNOW WHERE LOGIS ARE FOUND? SQUADS.
Sents are good at assaulting right now because of CQC. All the maps support it. They are crap at solo suits because their so damn slow, getting around the map to places you need to be needs you to drop a LAV anytime you try getting anywhere. Squads provide the support heavies need to push the envelope and get places. OTherwise, Its just a slow suit getting to the fight after everybody else has gone and started.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
2221
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:14:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:It's ******* pull ship,
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT BE A LOGI AND NOT ONE PERSON ON MY TEAM CAN DEPLOY UPLINKS? Run Uplinks on your Assault. Dumbass. You fail to realize "HEY, THESE THINGS HAVE EQUIPMENT TOO!" You can run Uplinks on your suit. It won't hurt anything to the links. Really. I do it. You can run the max number of links that you can throw out anyway on a Assaults Band. If you play Sentinel, then your ******. Maybe you might choose a suit thats NOT a suit thats primarily designed to be powerful when supported, and weak otherwise. You choose a suit with no equip. Sorry. Put 30K SP in and buy a Medium Basic, and a light gun and then feel free to put whatever equip you want in the slot. Assaults stopped being support and primarily slayers when they lost their second equipment slot. Squads should be pitted against other squads, solo's against solo's.
Yes, but that's not to say they have no support capacity at all.
They do. If you want to have the slaying of an assault, but also hives or links, then slap some fricking hives or links on your assault. They still have the one equipment slot for if you want to have the ability to support your team in some capacity.
I Live for Tears
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Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2188
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Posted - 2014.12.07 08:18:00 -
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2256
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Posted - 2014.12.07 08:32:00 -
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This thread facepalm...
Not sure I agree that bandwidth was the way to do it, but complaining about not being able to play more than one role at the same time is cringeworthy.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1021
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Posted - 2014.12.07 09:03:00 -
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Doesnt have time to squad...
Has time to make an edited 20 min video complaining about solo play "nerf".
*kermit sip* but that's none of my business.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1028
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Posted - 2014.12.07 09:11:00 -
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Pull a gun out more often, maybe you won't be redlined as often. Why didn't you open fire on those reds at the end of the pipes at the start? You must've known they were a threat to your uplinks? I also don't see the need for all those drop uplinks in such a confined space. Two is more than enough in the right positions.
The arguments about more redlining here I can understand I think if you're spreading uplinks across a large section of the map. But the OP's vid is doing nothing to help against redlining...it's just spam, not tactical in any deep way.
My "Ohh god we're so bad we've been redlined" fit is an M-I scout with 2 kincats and an L4 uplink. Make a break for it and try to get an uplink or two down somewhere we can spawn in safely. And you can't put them close to each other. More a reactive style to solving redline problems sure, but it can be effective.
TL;DR
Anyway...underlying all of this is a broken mechanic that allows you to change suits and retain the benefits of the former. That's just silly, and much as I try I can't get on board with someone saying this should happen...it makes zero sense.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1418
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Posted - 2014.12.07 10:17:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:That's cause DUST isn't a solo game. That's funny cuz it started out a solo game.
Not really. The squad functionality was broken in the beginning. But draw distance as better! 
The Alpha and Beta don't really count for how the game was supposed to be played since it changed so drastically for Uprising 1.0. And not for the better. CCP has proven they have no problem with changing the game between every release, patch or hot fix. So the level of change the OP is QQ-ing on about is just Dust business as usual.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1418
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Posted - 2014.12.07 10:24:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:WE BETTER BE ALLOWED TO GET SKILLPOINTS FOR LEAVING A DAMN MATCH THAT IS REDLINED Pull a gun out more often, maybe you won't be redlined as often. Well said.
He really doesn't want to play Dust. He just wants WP for others playing Dust. And the whining about SP is basically not knowing how the game works. SP still gets assigned for time spent in game and for WP as well. Being red lined still rewards players that make WP.
Of course, the earlier the rage quit, the less SP will be earned.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
682
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Posted - 2014.12.07 13:16:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
Pull a gun out more often, maybe you won't be redlined as often. Why didn't you open fire on those reds at the end of the pipes at the start? You must've known they were a threat to your uplinks? I also don't see the need for all those drop uplinks in such a confined space. Two is more than enough in the right positions.
The arguments about more redlining here I can understand I think if you're spreading uplinks across a large section of the map. But the OP's vid is doing nothing to help against redlining...it's just spam, not tactical in any deep way.
Original Video shows how a normal match goes for a solo player.. Deploy uplinks then play until there are no uplinks.. respawn into uplinks and deploy them then go back and play as the suit you intend on playing. I posted a close match and if I wasn't managing logi work we would have lost that match much faster then we did.. this shows how solo we can still have a fighting chance.
When you play solo you need to spread out the enemy team so it's more manageable because fighting 16 players on the redline is alot harder then fighting a squad of 4 to 6 players looking for uplinks around the map.
Also, Every suit has a gun but being able to use a gun at the redline does not stop the problem.
Having a requirement of a dedicated logi is magical dreamland stuff for public matches.. This should be a PC mechantic only.
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
682
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Posted - 2014.12.07 13:21:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:No disrespect to the OP, who I respect, but if given the choice between FPS/team play on one hand and solo play on the other, I'll take the former every time.
No disrespect taken, but when the taken given isn't such a bad proportion. 95% loss for a 5% gain?
I mean we have choice cause luckly the both of us are in Molen Labe and both of us can easly find a great squad in under 10 mins. Yet, thats not the point of this..
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1030
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Posted - 2014.12.07 16:22:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
Pull a gun out more often, maybe you won't be redlined as often. Why didn't you open fire on those reds at the end of the pipes at the start? You must've known they were a threat to your uplinks? I also don't see the need for all those drop uplinks in such a confined space. Two is more than enough in the right positions.
The arguments about more redlining here I can understand I think if you're spreading uplinks across a large section of the map. But the OP's vid is doing nothing to help against redlining...it's just spam, not tactical in any deep way.
Original Video shows how a normal match goes for a solo player.. Deploy uplinks then play until there are no uplinks.. respawn into uplinks and deploy them then go back and play as the suit you intend on playing. I posted a close match and if I wasn't managing logi work we would have lost that match much faster then we did.. this shows how solo we can still have a fighting chance. When you play solo you need to spread out the enemy team so it's more manageable because fighting 16 players on the redline is alot harder then fighting a squad of 4 to 6 players looking for uplinks around the map. Also, Every suit has a gun but being able to use a gun at the redline does not stop the problem. Having a requirement of a dedicated logi is magical dreamland stuff for public matches.. This should be a PC mechantic only.
I play solo. I invested SP into Amarr Logi so I could get uplinks down when it makes sense to. If someone else is doing that, I continue merrily on my scout jaunts stabbing ppl, hacking, and dying - sometimes dying a lot, but all in the name of pub fun.
When I do don the logi, I stay in it until I die or until there's no more need for the uplinks to be so powerful. I also put down hives. Not skilled into repping yet but maybe that will come later. Point is, I think there only needs to be one or two powerful uplinks available to my team to push on from. So I use a single slot. My plasma cannon and core nades give my team fire support. That is my role when in the logi suit.
Of course this is just my style, but I *stay in the suit* for as long as it is useful to my team to get back to the battle quickly.
[Edit] Would also add, if you pulled out a gun more often, used other equipment in the other slots instead of triple-tastic uplink spam, you would have lost that match even more slowly.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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