As for assembling a mixed group, that's no excuse. You knew there was a high chance of ToP showing up to assist them, so the fact that you assembled an incompetent group is your fault.

Everyone here is banging on their chests like a pirate with anger issues. Lets be honest; ML has indeed stayed in PC while the original guys from Last vendetta are trying again for the 4th time. I think its easier to see who has the superior disciplinary excellence here. I am not taking sides, i am stating fact. I also know my previous statement made about corps is a contradictory statement here. Yes im self aware!!

Poncho, I haven't PC'd much in the last year. The times aren't good for me (family prime time).

But ML is always here, sometimes good sometimes not so much. But we've been able to do what very few have been able to do. Which is to stay active, keep plugging in players into PC, and avoid big ups and downs.

This is the war room, there hasn't been much of this bantering back and forth in some time and I'd say it's a welcome change. That said, talk all you want but we'll still be here in a few months. I'll be very, very surprised if you guys are. Hopefully I'm wrong, but you guys aren't strong enough to avoid losing and you've filled your ranks with people that have a long history of folding under pressure and pointing fingers. That's just the cold hard truth.

So, this call to war of Roman's...might it be called
*puts on sunglasses*
An "Attack on Titan"?

This CANT be the first time this joke was made.

Did it really take this long?

I know, it seemed so obvious...I just didn't want to sit and read through the six pages of Roman's manifesto to make sure

???

They've been removed and had to fight there way back in just as you claimed Last Vendetta guys have had too - it's not different.

And no ones made any claims to ML being able to stick together - but what's the accomplishment in that if it only means you continuously lose together?

At least the 30day corps are trying to be competitive - it's just a different mind set, and the corps who have stayed together but never been competitive like ML have no right to look down on anyone.

WTF are you talking about?

When is the last time you've actually been part of a PC team? I'll look down on people all day long that we've beaten in any of the groups they've thrown together but watch continually fall apart. Especially when you make comments about our ability to throw down in a PC.

Ask some of the dudes in ToP that have actually played against us. Would you guys beat us right now? Perhaps, but that's what happens when you take three PC corps and merge them. When you sprinkle in the others that have left solid teams it's clear you've put a good team together. You should be beating people.

I give credit where credit is due, you've held land for most of your existence, however you guys are mainly doing practice battle with EXTREMELY weak corps, It's not like FA has been gunning for your ass the whole time and you've been holding them off. Some of your players are true vets who have been in PC as long as any of us, but your team as a whole is lackluster just like most after FF, the only difference is after that happened you had great eve support and an even better ground alliance to keep you guys ticking. Good on you, its more than just right time right place to be in the top alliance, but its certainly no feat of skill on the battlefield.

However credit is not given where it is due to ToP. Was VU taken out of PC? I think not. We still had more than enough districts to give them away to all of our friends and still have enough left to transfer to what we were building next.

Instead of going inactive in PCs or dropping out of any real wars when our leadership is pressed with real life, we restructure in order to accommodate that. This means switches in leadership, even switching tags at times. But no one here points fingers. No one was blaming each other and raging. We stick together as a group, we keep our core intact at all times, and at the end of the day we win our battles.

In reality, most of this naysay about corp will fall apart if we lose battles is wishful meta nonsense. Some of our players have a history. More of them don't. Which corp among us here will say they are comprised of only loyal vets with year+ long tags?
None. In truth, there's very few people left who have stuck where they started, and that rings true for both sides.

Outside of that who is there to fight?

WTF are you talking about?

When is the last time you've actually been part of a PC team? I'll look down on people all day long that we've beaten in any of the groups they've thrown together but watch continually fall apart. Especially when you make comments about our ability to throw down in a PC.

Ask some of the dudes in ToP that have actually played against us. Would you guys beat us right now? Perhaps, but that's what happens when you take three PC corps and merge them. When you sprinkle in the others that have left solid teams it's clear you've put a good team together. You should be beating people.

I agree with everything you've said for the most part. I like the VU guys as I've said many times. I think you guys have joined forces with some people that will ultimately let you down as they've done continually.

As far as ML being lucky to be allied with strong people, would you care for a history lesson?

League of Infamy- Kujo betrays Hellstorm days after starting war with Eon
ROFL- all corps outside of ML stop PCing within days of our arrival.
Public Disorder- not much happened here
Tso's- before the donut we brought in RND, they bailed to DNS with FA after like 10 minutes of war, they didn't even show up to its battles.

Only after DNS broke up did ML ever find itself in the overpowered side. And Tso's has not behaved even remotely as heavy handed as donuts previous. Murphy has had beef with BR so if we attacked them (can't really as they lock) it would look like Tso's is mass attacking. KEQ is an old ally, we fight them from to time to time. We used to fight VU quite a bit. Outside of that who is there to fight?

You mean, me being gone for 4 months now discredits me from my 2 year knowledge of ML getting there asses handed to them and removed like any 30 day corp?

You're either high or stupid. ML isn't in any position to judge anyone. You're complacent and thrive upon it. No ambition, no desire, no goals. You just are, that's why you aren't competitive, and that's why you have no right to judge groups who try.

The best thing you guys do is stick together and not bully corps who haven't been together or have the vets enough to compete. And now your power comes from your alliance and what teams THEY can field to keep you afloat.

You're no better then Murphy's - but you're a lot kinder, easier to deal with, definitely not tyrants, and have an honest want to help the game. But don't cross that with the right to talk **** to groups who try in order to build up your own ego you don't deserve to have.

You should be on our side, fighting against another Donut you've become. Isn't that what ML has always done?

how does one thrive on complacency?

TBH we've been fielding SoDa on a fairly regular basis, and hes landed in the top couple players on the list every time.

*MEANWHILE* Roman drops 4 orbitals in a match and goes 3-14 with 4 teamkills.

But that aside lets get to the meat of your argument shall we?
Yes we point out your current ability in PC. No we don't place attacks on you and try to flip ur land because there's really no reason to, I'm pretty sure very few of our players hold hostilities with each other. That being said I see y'all saying 'Just you wait until your losing, then you'll fall apart, you'll see!' as if saying it more is going to make it more likely.
I know the records of the players surrounding us. Some of them are short, some of them are long. But if I and so many others were not confident in our preparation/leadership and division of labor we would have never pushed out with the momentum that we did.
In terms of making us lose though, I don't have to ask. ML wont be hitting us, if we ever fell apart you'd have little to no hand in it. Your perfectly free to continue running the weak battles your running now to keep moral high, but if your going to sit on the sidelines, keep your commentary there too.

[quote=Poncho Polous][quote=Thor Odinson42]

WTF are you talking about?

When is the last time you've actually been part of a PC team? I'll look down on people all day long that we've beaten in any of the groups they've thrown together but watch continually fall apart. Especially when you make comments
Ask ERA about ML. We were pistol whipping them the weeks leading up to them falling apart.

Maybe we should have a hand in making you fall apart. It might help us shake off some complaceny. I'm damn sure not going to listen to the ******* former director of Pheonix Fed talking like he's part of some PC royalty.

Ask ERA about ML. We were pistol whipping them the weeks leading up to them falling apart.

Maybe we should have a hand in making you fall apart. It might help us shake off some complaceny. I'm damn sure not going to listen to the ******* former director of Pheonix Fed talking like he's part of some PC royalty.

Also, as posted earlier

"In conclusion,

I don't really want to be arguing with u as its not nearly as fun as MULA, and I am mainly confused why ML got into this conversation in the first place."

I was clearly not talking like some kind of 'PC royalty', I think your more upset that my argument has valid points.
So unless you had another reason for joining in this convo, I'l stick with the aforementioned 'Wishful Meta' theory.

I'm no more upset than you are. I'm just not passive aggressive.

I'm no more upset than you are. I'm just not passive aggressive.

Upset? I was in the process of diffusing your involvement in a debate that has very little to do with you (or at least trying to) before you whipped your balls out to let everyone know they hadn't shrunk any.
To get me upset you generally have to betray me from inside my own ranks, a bit of mild forum flame has a long way to go before I'l get angry.
That being said if your gonna sht on our PC team/corp I'm gonna call you on it, 100% of the time, simple as that. I stand up for my corp. We were happy to fight DNS & TSO's when we were a fresh little PFC corp in TPF trying to offer what ever little inspiration we could muster. I don't speak passive-aggressive, or like I've gained 'PC royalty', I speak as I always have. A man who defends his corp regardless if were small and weak fighting a giant tyrant or if were on the winning side.

You say that after talking **** about Molon. I wasn't boasting about our prowess. I simply stated what will end up being true. In a few months you guys will be an afterthought. You won't even last long enough for people to talk **** about you.

Do you really not understand?

Groups get run out of PC then jump in some other group, then talk **** to you about how bad you are?

Do I need crayons?

Yea, you lose battles, you aren't getting better or trying. How's that hard to understand? Your corp is great for the people whose in it - but you aren't exactly trying to do anything, ever.

You're not exactly holding back when you bring up there corp hopping and tag changing like it's a negative slur. You aren't any better then them.

But Poncho - you did start with the corp trash talking if you check the thread, lol. I'm high and read it wrong the first time through xD

Losing battles and not getting better?

We don't fold into some new group every time a few people go inactive. If we have a good group that fits the current meta getting online consistently then we are good. If not then we are average.

But people will answer the call if there's something worth fighting for I guess. Can you imagine how annoying it would be for our members if we were cheerleading constantly about PC?

I don't care if people change corps and I don't think we are better than anyone in some video game moral sense. However it is easier to fold and come up with witty corp name number 15 rather than provide people a tag with some history to smear.

ROFL- all corps outside of ML stop PCing within days of our arrival.