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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.05 11:45:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:If you are telling me that you don't have framerate issues you are flat out lying.
You clearly have some some issues as far as the frame rate is concerned and I've brought them to the attention of CCP, who will then hopefully put some action plan in place to investigate what can be done.
But I have to say that accusing people of flat out lying when they offer a contradictory view to your own is just not cool.
I don't what else I can say to you. I don't have frame rate issues, the game runs at a near consistent 28-30 frames per second for me. Lag isn't a problem either, if I put the battle server choice as auto, America, Asia or Europe, all run as well as the others. That said I'll agree with what someone else mentioned earlier about playing the French, which just tells my that French ISP's aren't very good. Ping is the biggest issue in gaming online. Mine varies between 8 to 14, if any of you test yours and find it more than 75 then switch ISP because I get that on my 3G smartphone. Fine for mobile use, blows for online gaming.
The SSD is a factor in load up times and texture rendering, it doesnt effect frame rate. I've confirmed that with switching the old standard PS3 HD that I had before. The thermal paste switch I did significantly reduced the thermal load on the Cell chip and the GPU. It didn't increase frame rate as such but due to the better heat conductivity to the heat sink, allowing the fan to do a better job, it has improved the systems performance overall and reduced the chances of YLOD happening. Overheating is the number one cause of YLOD in PS3.
I don't doubt that there are players out there having problems but I also don't doubt there players out there that don't have these problems. There are at least two dozen PS3 configurations out there, each one made from various components from different manufacturers (the conceit that consoles are a unified experience is a fallacy, hardware configurations change all the time) mean that anyone of these configuations may perform better or worse than others but still fall within the specifications of the format.
I've brought it to attention of Rattati, linked this and several other threads to the team. I'll keep asking and pushing for improvements and I won't let them forget.
But please don't accuse me of lying because I don't have the same issues you're having. It's just counterproductive.
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3244
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Posted - 2014.12.05 12:12:00 -
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Just like Kevall tells you, the thermal paste will not make the framerate go above 30, but its going to help on the lower side (framerate drops). Especially if the cores are overheating.
Look at this video for an extreme example of thermal throttling and CPU breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39D4529FM4
If air enters the distance between chip and heatsink, you get a thermal isolation layer. This is not equivalent but close to removing the heat sink all together.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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matsumoto yuichi san
The Elite Few Inc. The Methodical Alliance
95
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Posted - 2014.12.05 14:09:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:If you are telling me that you don't have framerate issues you are flat out lying. You clearly have some some issues as far as the frame rate is concerned and I've brought them to the attention of CCP, who will then hopefully put some action plan in place to investigate what can be done. But I have to say that accusing people of flat out lying when they offer a contradictory view to your own is just not cool. I don't what else I can say to you. I don't have frame rate issues, the game runs at a near consistent 28-30 frames per second for me. Lag isn't a problem either, if I put the battle server choice as auto, America, Asia or Europe, all run as well as the others. That said I'll agree with what someone else mentioned earlier about playing the French, which just tells my that French ISP's aren't very good. Ping is the biggest issue in gaming online. Mine varies between 8 to 14, if any of you test yours and find it more than 75 then switch ISP because I get that on my 3G smartphone. Fine for mobile use, blows for online gaming. The SSD is a factor in load up times and texture rendering, it doesnt effect frame rate. I've confirmed that with switching the old standard PS3 HD that I had before. The thermal paste switch I did significantly reduced the thermal load on the Cell chip and the GPU. It didn't increase frame rate as such but due to the better heat conductivity to the heat sink, allowing the fan to do a better job, it has improved the systems performance overall and reduced the chances of YLOD happening. Overheating is the number one cause of YLOD in PS3. I don't doubt that there are players out there having problems but I also don't doubt there players out there that don't have these problems. There are at least two dozen PS3 configurations out there, each one made from various components from different manufacturers (the conceit that consoles are a unified experience is a fallacy, hardware configurations change all the time) mean that anyone of these configuations may perform better or worse than others but still fall within the specifications of the format. I've brought it to attention of Rattati, linked this and several other threads to the team. I'll keep asking and pushing for improvements and I won't let them forget. But please don't accuse me of lying because I don't have the same issues you're having. It's just counterproductive.
I can say for my part i have the ps3 vertical, it's a slim, and has an SSD, i JUST reinstalled dust, and it DRASTICALLY improved texture pop in problems. just saying. i have had soul crushing framerate drops once, and generally everything seems smoother now. I can say Mouse is still **** if i recall. but i need to double check.
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Jebus McKing
Jebus Hates Scans
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Posted - 2014.12.05 14:11:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:You clearly have some some issues as far as the frame rate is concerned and I've brought them to the attention of CCP, who will then hopefully put some action plan in place to investigate what can be done. Good. Thanks.But I have to say that accusing people of flat out lying when they offer a contradictory view to your own is just not cool. I have not played with a single person that did not have framerate issues every now and then. So when people come to me and try to tell me that everything is fine and that the problem must be on my end, I'm sorry, but I tend to lose it a bit.I don't have frame rate issues, the game runs at a near consistent 28-30 frames per second for me. It's fine for me as well ~most of the time~. But every now and then I get into a match where at some point framerate drops so low that it is hard to continue playing. Frame rate drops also seem to be related to playing against people from other regions, which dosn't make much sense to me. I'd understand to have lag, but not a drop in frame rate.I don't doubt that there are players out there having problems but I also don't doubt there players out there that don't have these problems. There are at least two dozen PS3 configurations out there And DUST seems to be the only game that I've played that has issues with that so far. Look, I understand that it's hard to make it right for evey configuration there is. But you also have to understand that this is not a new issue. This has been ongoing for as long as I can remember. I did not mind poor performance in closed beta, and during open beta my biggest hope for Uprising was fps improvements. I did not mind when performance improvements were not their biggest problems when Uprising was released. But after 1.5 years after official release there are still frame rate issues and it seems that we still are far away from any fix to it. I'm sorry but I'm getting a bit upset about this lately.I've brought it to attention of Rattati, linked this and several other threads to the team. I'll keep asking and pushing for improvements and I won't let them forget. Thanks.But please don't accuse me of lying because I don't have the same issues you're having. It's just counterproductive. But then again, coming into a thread where people are calling for help because of an issue only to say "nope, all fine on my end", or advise them to make modifications to the hardware, no matter how small (btw, if you **** it up with applying new thermal paste you might in the worst case even make your PS3 break sooner), or advise them to change their ISPs (which might not be possible for some people for various reasons) isn't too helpful either, don't you agree? Especially when these issues are only related to this one game.
Also there might be differences in perception of this issue. For some people playing a shooter game at only 28fps might be fine, for me it's really pushing it already. But if the frame rate drops below that on a regular basis we very quickly come to a point where the game becomes close to unplayable. A lower frame rate means that your aiming will suffer, your timing will suffer, your precision will suffer. Frame rate is so important for shooter games but in Dust we have seen little (perceived) progress to fixing it so far.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2536
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:08:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Bethhy wrote:
Nah your suffering from placebo effect....
The other day our squad was approaching the new socket... Half of us have SSD's the other half doesn't... The City wouldn't render in for all of us at a certain distance.. We all tested at what range it rendered.. It was the same for all of us..
Even when you go back to your mercenary quarters and your looking at your mercenary load in... It goes through three phases as it loads in... This has nothing to do with a SSD. Or some magical paste.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. LODing had nothing to do with framerate drops due to overheating. It is a feature you add in games to improve the framerate. What you are seeing is working as intended probably. Discrete LODing at different ranges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_detail#PCMasterRace
Everyone knows what LOD'ing is that has played video games... They have done it longer then most people here have been alive.?
Does it happen frequently to all games at 60m out of the object rendering in?
Do other games have you drive into sockets to have your Vehicle float up in mid air for 45 seconds as the entire socket LOD's around you?
SSD doesn't improve LOD'ing times?
SSD Improves texture pops and load in's though... Even though that is what is LOD'ing as you move into closer proximity...
Regardless of what a SSD does or that players should be ripping apart their PS3's to apply some magical paste for an issue that everyone ONLY has on DUST.
These players go to other games and other triple A titles on the PS3.. And never have a performance issue ever while playing everyday for crazy amounts of time.. Games that are on the cutting edge of what the PS3 can offer... DUST is far from cutting edge having 32 mercenaries fight with minimal graphic quality and maps with no tree's or detail besides a box with large fields of nothing.
Every mercenary in DUST has experienced extremely poor performance in gameplay while at the same time not having an issue with any other game... No matter how much of a fanboy or apologist you have become over the time this is not the players fault or doing or neglect. It is CCP's. |
Jay Westen
Sky-FIRE
133
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:45:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I have a SSD and can confirm that what Jesus is saying is 100% correct.
Not to derail the conversation but thats text I never thought I would see...
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3246
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:51:00 -
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Well, with my mods (thermal paste, drilled ventilation holes, laptop cooling plate, fan controller and SSD which I have had for a long time) I am now experiencing better performance in CQC fights. Sure, I do not have much statistics or recordings to prove it. You just have to believe me.
Perhaps my PS3 was starting to break down though. Not sure.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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ca ronic
Moffit Bros
15
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Posted - 2014.12.05 19:18:00 -
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Its been worse today for me. Happens often in every game. Not sure what its called. running towards an open door and next thing you know your face is smashed up against the wall, like someone pushed you out of the way but there isnt anybody near you. Makes me dizzy when its all jerky. |
JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
451
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Posted - 2014.12.05 20:06:00 -
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The game runs perfect for me. No lag, no frame drops. None.
Clean your ps3 if you want better performance.
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
1216
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Posted - 2014.12.05 20:34:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:-snip-. Your PS3 setup is pretty nice. If it wasn't for these these retards I'd probably respect the paint job more.
I'm more of a Blood Raiders kinda guy
More like Titans of Penis amirite?
Come play a better game.
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ca ronic
Moffit Bros
15
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Posted - 2014.12.05 22:07:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:The game runs perfect for me. No lag, no frame drops. None. Clean your ps3 if you want better performance. It ran good for me in the past. Was thinking it might be something on my end, but a lot of people seem to be having issues. Its been worse in 1.9. And even worse more recently. |
JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
452
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Posted - 2014.12.05 22:12:00 -
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ca ronic wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:The game runs perfect for me. No lag, no frame drops. None. Clean your ps3 if you want better performance. It ran good for me in the past. Was thinking it might be something on my end, but a lot of people seem to be having issues. Its been worse in 1.9. And even worse more recently.
Im sorry if you guys are having issues. For me in all honesty its been good. Im not lying. I rarely play but when I do I just want to have a great battle. Later I'll play Fw for Gellente. I have 39k LP. Im saving for the Logi Proto bpo but I could get the assault = tough choice for me.
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.12.05 22:44:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to believe me or not but I don't have any issues with frame rates on my PS3. The PC matches I've played, I've not seen any of the issues that many have described. The worst thing that's ever happened is that maybe the sound has been out of sync a little because of the Hive spams playing hell with the 5.1. I've not experienced rubber banding, LAVs pausing in the air or 30 metre teleport jumps.
The texture and Map loading improved with the SSD as I expected that's why I brought it. Didn't expect a frame rate increase from it because it wouldn't effect that. The thermal paste switch was something I'd heard could improve the PS3 performance so I had a afternoon off, some spare TIM cleaner and paste and thought I'd have a crack at it. PS 3 runs much quieter now, not only on Dust but The Last Of Use and Wipeout HD, the only other games I have for it. Almost certainly due to the GPU now having full contact with the heat sink.
I've heard that there are many different variants of PS3 as Sony often swap and change component suppliers to minimise costs. That might be a contributory factor as well. When I get the chance I might borrow a couple of friends PS3 and spend a day comparing their Dust performance in my set up compared to theirs and compare my PS3 on their set up. Has anyone done anything similar to that themselves in the last? SOURCE: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2490947#post2490947CCP is not responsible for your failing hardware. (I might look like a real f*cking CCP fanboy right now, but yeah... have fun lagging around while me and Dennie experience smoother over all gameplay)
You are right to a point, but if their game is causing problems for a console and in some causes the failure of a console(which had) it is mostly their responsibility .
It is something that has been a problem since the beta , so if they couldn't fix it then , I doubt they can fix it now, especially with less people and resources . Unless they really, really focus on it. |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
15
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Posted - 2014.12.06 15:48:00 -
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The game has been running smooth for me today. Anybody else see a difference? |
Mex-0
210
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Posted - 2014.12.06 16:15:00 -
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My framerate actually isn't horrible, it's the annoying controller thing that kills me.
When i try to run or push to talk, sometimes it will suddenly enter the player list for no apparent reason.
I believe it has to do with the controller's wiring?
Meh, I give up on FW.
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Greiv Rabbah
13Art of War13
36
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Posted - 2014.12.06 18:06:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:If you are telling me that you don't have framerate issues you are flat out lying. You clearly have some some issues as far as the frame rate is concerned and I've brought them to the attention of CCP, who will then hopefully put some action plan in place to investigate what can be done. But I have to say that accusing people of flat out lying when they offer a contradictory view to your own is just not cool. I don't what else I can say to you. I don't have frame rate issues, the game runs at a near consistent 28-30 frames per second for me. Lag isn't a problem either, if I put the battle server choice as auto, America, Asia or Europe, all run as well as the others. That said I'll agree with what someone else mentioned earlier about playing the French, which just tells my that French ISP's aren't very good. Ping is the biggest issue in gaming online. Mine varies between 8 to 14, if any of you test yours and find it more than 75 then switch ISP because I get that on my 3G smartphone. Fine for mobile use, blows for online gaming. The SSD is a factor in load up times and texture rendering, it doesnt effect frame rate. I've confirmed that with switching the old standard PS3 HD that I had before. The thermal paste switch I did significantly reduced the thermal load on the Cell chip and the GPU. It didn't increase frame rate as such but due to the better heat conductivity to the heat sink, allowing the fan to do a better job, it has improved the systems performance overall and reduced the chances of YLOD happening. Overheating is the number one cause of YLOD in PS3. I don't doubt that there are players out there having problems but I also don't doubt there players out there that don't have these problems. There are at least two dozen PS3 configurations out there, each one made from various components from different manufacturers (the conceit that consoles are a unified experience is a fallacy, hardware configurations change all the time) mean that anyone of these configuations may perform better or worse than others but still fall within the specifications of the format. I've brought it to attention of Rattati, linked this and several other threads to the team. I'll keep asking and pushing for improvements and I won't let them forget. But please don't accuse me of lying because I don't have the same issues you're having. It's just counterproductive.
If you use nanite paste on the motherboard you won't lag anymore, nanite paste also reduces charge time by 3% for all caldari weapons. Nanite paste can easily be purchased at jita or dodixie, but usually can be found fairly cheap at most stations
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