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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 19:55:00 -
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@OP
BlobbLogis and non-Logis, in a Features and Ideas sticky that went up about 3 weeks ago.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 19:56:00 -
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SlayerLogis inbound. Just in time for a conversation about buffing Logis. Awesome. 
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 19:59:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
He just called you a tourist.
I understand where Clone D is coming from, because not only do i employ some of the same tactics he does, but ive also been in a game or two where he was the top solo logi on his side and I was the one on my side, and we were battling eachother for uplink spots half the game. (I eventually lost when he finally succeeded in getting the fatal hit on me during a milita dropship duel). He is no tourist. When i do what im supposed to be doing properly, the battle can shift tides. ive seen it happen. If I can do that, and Clone D does it better, no one should underestimate the impact just because they dont agree with how he plays. @Clone D I agree with you that its going to change things for the worse. Right now I can get the job done in a ADV logi suit. After the patch, Im going to have to use a Proto logi just to be able to do some of what I used to do. The cost is prohibitive. No way im going to risk combat in such an expensive suit. And if the enemy pushes and destroys my initial uplinks, ill be hesitant to risk the cost to go put more. Its going to lead to alot more red line sniping. If I have to stay in a AK.0 fit all game and cant deploy anything else, I can guarantee you that suit is going to somewhere with minimal risk. No way im paying 70,000ISK to go and revive and repair people lol. Vehicles? Meh. Someone can still switch from a scout to a double sward commando and back with no penalty so its still not as viable. So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid. Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone.
It doesn't matter what a suggestion is if the only response is, "Thats bullshit, this is happening like this anyway."
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 20:00:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
OUR TEAM SIZE OF 16 IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR BANDWIDTH TO MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^whole lotta this^^^^^^^^^^^^
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 20:11:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Clone D wrote:
PS: Team play is only as good as matchmaking. (which sucks)
Matchmaking is only as good as player base. (which sucks)
Player Base is only as good as the gameplay that attracts them. (which is starting to suck)
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 20:35:00 -
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Mister Goo wrote:Clone D wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Clone D wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Spawning as a Scout or Logistics, throwing Uplinks everywhere, and swapping to a different suit such as a Sentinel is simply too powerful. Let's take a look at two different play styles of the Support Logistics and the Sentinel.
*Sentinel: Heavily armored, moves slowly. Has the highest DPS in the game with a weapon that has short to medium range. Primarily meant for point defense or for attacking a specific location to break into the enemy's base.
*Logistics: Weaker armor than that of the Assault, slower movement. Faster than the Sentinel but has FAR less HP and FAR less DPS. They carry additional equipment to help their team. In short, they give up a lot to have those extra equipment.
Now imagine the balance nightmare of a Sentinel that dropped 2 Uplinks and 4 Triage Nanohives. You have a Sentinel that is no different than a Logistics really. In short, you would be doing two roles at the same time that need to be made completely separate. It lets the developers begin balancing things from there.
I don't really follow the idea of "I am Superman; I need to be able to put Uplinks because my team is worthless!" So many people have said the same thing that with our very small community it is likely that several Superman are on the same team. You can still run in with your Scout to drop Uplinks to help your team get back from the Redline. I don't see how "I need to be able to do everything!" is an acceptable argument against this change. Remember that it affects your opponents too. If they all go Sentinel to hold off a push, no more Uplinks.
It will be a different kind of game. I don't see it being the end of the world or any kind of hyperbole. You thought AFKers were bad now? Just wait until bandwidth hits. Ok, now you're just throwing around wild claims. You're not helping your cause here with this. What is going to happen is demoralization. For instance, do you think a highly potent soldier is going to say, "oh, my team needs uplinks. I'll go deploy 7 to critical locations and then carry soldiers around in my sluggish and vulnerable transport dropship for the rest of the match while I remain in my logi suit." No, they will become demoralized, deploy the uplinks and then send their merc back to the groundspawn running in circles for the remainder of the match. Whereas previously, they could have deployed uplinks, changed suits and carried on the battle as an infantryman. NO, what will happen is deployment of equipment will be more deliberate. WP farmers will not be throwing up large amounts of drop links, nano hives, and completely surrounding supply depots with useless equipment just so they can get some points. The ONLY ones hurt by BW is going to be spammers.
I am not a spammer and I absolutely hate what BW is creating for me.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:55:00 -
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Mister Goo wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
I am not a spammer and I absolutely hate what BW is creating for me.
I understand your frustration with BW, I am on the fence with it because of how it effects Logi game play. I am glad they did something to help with the useless spam of equipment but there were better ideas presented IMHO. The largest hurdle I can see right now is going to be Drop Links, because they can not be ignored until it is time to replace them. The thing is going to be not accidentally popping your DL when you place out nano hives for resupplying and having others out all ready that were not completely used.
I find the whole thing ********. I get its an EVE thing and that CCP finally got the hey, spam around depots creates lag memo but don't see BW being worthwhile considering the issues it creates. Solutions that create more problems aren't solutions where I'm from.
It doesn't even makes sense, IMO, that 20 jillion years in the future my suit would be toting the required equipment to remotely power my equipment, those things would be located on the MCC.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Mister Goo wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
I am not a spammer and I absolutely hate what BW is creating for me.
I understand your frustration with BW, I am on the fence with it because of how it effects Logi game play. I am glad they did something to help with the useless spam of equipment but there were better ideas presented IMHO. The largest hurdle I can see right now is going to be Drop Links, because they can not be ignored until it is time to replace them. The thing is going to be not accidentally popping your DL when you place out nano hives for resupplying and having others out all ready that were not completely used. I find the whole thing ********. I get its an EVE thing and that CCP finally got the hey, spam around depots creates lag memo but don't see BW being worthwhile considering the issues it creates. Solutions that create more problems aren't solutions where I'm from. It doesn't even makes sense, IMO, that 20 jillion years in the future my suit would be toting the required equipment to remotely power my equipment, those things would be located on the MCC. A little over 20,000 years into the future to be exact according to Eve Online lore. Even then, we did suffer a major technological setback when the Eve Gate collapsed cutting off young colonies from our home galaxy The Milky Way. We were in the dark ages for thousands of years until space flight was finally reinvented hundreds of years ago. Sooooooooooo..... not much progress.
Enough progress for interstellar space travel and remote powering of equipment but not enough to put that equipment on the biggest power generator on the map? Not buying, bro.
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