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Finn Colman wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

tastzlike chicken wrote:

I'd take that with a grain of salt. It's missing some massive core concepts from the Amarrian lore, haven't looked into the others yet but its full of rather snarky commentary and rather poor generalisations.

The notion that you have the be True Amarr to be a free citizen of the Amarr Empire is a joke at best. You do not, not even to be a Holder, Catiz Tash-Murkon can trace her root back the the Udorian's, the Khanid Family were of the original Khanid who helped the Amarr crush the Udorians these dudes were and EMPEROR FAMILY (meaning they were formerly in contention for the role of Emperor during succession trials).

Only slaves are indentured servants and law dictates they must be cared for and educated and that no cruelty unbecoming the transgression should ever be inflicted upon them under punishment of enslavement itself. Moreover social trends and tradition mandate that loyal slave families are to be emancipated by their Holder's upon display of sufficient values of an Amarrian citizen.

So, in comparison to real history Amarr slavery was more like middle eastern slavery (during the colonial era) rather than European or American slavery. That is, slaves were treated as a low class, but given the proper respect of being human beings, and had a chance to earn their freedom. There are a lot of things I have learned about the Amarr that don't make them look like such bad guys anymore. I wish I had known all of this before because it is really interesting.

I've read some of that, and have taken it for what it is. That is to say, a fairly brief summary of some pretty deep lore, which is bound to leave quite a bit of info out.
I could tell from the start that the Amarr part was pretty negatively biased.
The table of contents should probably give me a guideline for what to research in EVElopedia.

I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...

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Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:25:00 - [1] - Quote If there was a class on the culture of New Eden what would be on the suggested or required reading lists? A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
Maitue Mae Involuntary Manslaughter 120	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:27:00 - [2] - Quote How the Gallente and Caldari split. Ishukone gave me my papers to transfer into the State Hail To The Caldari State
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 984	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:29:00 - [3] - Quote Maitue Mae wrote: How the Gallente and Caldari split. This^ I think a lot of people don't even know that the Caldari used to be a part of the Federation. Quafe Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:31:00 - [4] - Quote I'm mainly meaning any specific articles, stories, or New Eden history records. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:32:00 - [5] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Maitue Mae wrote: How the Gallente and Caldari split. This^ I think a lot of people don't even know that the Caldari used to be a part of the Federation. I was one of those people only moments ago. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1293	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:46:00 - [6] - Quote For your reading pleasure: The Empyrean Age The Burning Life Templar One Also check out Evelopedia and the EVE University Wiki. Playing for Gallente is like killing kittens. There's no honor in it.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15303	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:56:00 - [7] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: If there was a class on the culture of New Eden what would be on the suggested or required reading lists? The Scriptures - At points the guiding principles of the Empire have to be taught (optional reading list) Symbology of the Amarr Empire - To understand Imperial Culture one has to understand and symbolic nuances of our culture (Mandatory reading list) The Reclaiming: A Historigraphical Analysis of the Cultural Phenomenon - Being this is the cultural phenomenon that brough the Amarr in to contact with the peoples of New Eden and were the root cause of the Empire's first interactions with the other Empires on a cultural level. (Mandatory reading list) 20 Generations a Slave - A work of fiction written by the descendent of a 10th generation Matari slave released by Jamyl Sarum's emancipation degree that discusses the lives of his ancestors as slaves under a Doman Holder. (Mandatory Reading List) Pax Amarria - the writings of late Emperor Heideran V, his thoughts on his time as emperor, and his hopes for a peaceful future as a united Amarr Empire (Mandatory Reading List). I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1294	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:09:00 - [8] - Quote (EDIT- Wait is this Out Of Character as in actually books in the real world or In Character as in your character is attending a New Eden culture class?)[/quote] I assumed the former, so I think we've got it covered lol Playing for Gallente is like killing kittens. There's no honor in it.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: If there was a class on the culture of New Eden what would be on the suggested or required reading lists? The Scriptures - At points the guiding principles of the Empire have to be taught (optional reading list) Symbology of the Amarr Empire - To understand Imperial Culture one has to understand and symbolic nuances of our culture (Mandatory reading list) The Reclaiming: A Historigraphical Analysis of the Cultural Phenomenon - Being this is the cultural phenomenon that brough the Amarr in to contact with the peoples of New Eden and were the root cause of the Empire's first interactions with the other Empires on a cultural level. (Mandatory reading list) 20 Generations a Slave - A work of fiction written by the descendent of a 10th generation Matari slave released by Jamyl Sarum's emancipation degree that discusses the lives of his ancestors as slaves under a Doman Holder. (Mandatory Reading List) Pax Amarria - the writings of late Emperor Heideran V, his thoughts on his time as emperor, and his hopes for a peaceful future as a united Amarr Empire (Mandatory Reading List). (EDIT- Wait is this Out Of Character as in actually books in the real world or In Character as in your character is attending a New Eden culture class?) While I'm plenty interested to know both OOC and in Character, I mainly am looking for the OOC stuff that I would be able to read to get a better idea about each faction. This interest was drawn up from a FW thread that mentioned how the Amarr are such that they naturally seem like the "Bad guys" to most, and how the Caldari generally just look boring. The post also stated that both of these factions also have very rich cultures that tend to be overlooked. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15303	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:13:00 - [10] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: (EDIT- Wait is this Out Of Character as in actually books in the real world or In Character as in your character is attending a New Eden culture class?) I assumed the former, so I think we've got it covered lol[/quote] The Chronicles do a fair job as well especially All these Wayward Children which features the Empress and in very indicative of what kind of person rules the Amarr Empire. Excerpt from the text: "Do you think I'm beautiful?" she asked in a much milder tone. "Yes, Highness," he replied without a moment's thought. "Do you think I'm awesome?" she asked, every syllable of the word clicking smoothly into place. "Yes, Highness," he replied again. "Do you think I'm terrifying?" she asked, as if they were all the same questions. "Yes, Highness," he said, understanding that in fact they were. and "On his flesh, among the words of scripture, we tattooed the names of his children and his children's children," she said, and Jetek would swear to his final days that something flashed in her eyes, as if wanting to break free, "And he will never forget who he is, or who we are." I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15305	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:19:00 - [11] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: If there was a class on the culture of New Eden what would be on the suggested or required reading lists? The Scriptures - At points the guiding principles of the Empire have to be taught (optional reading list) Symbology of the Amarr Empire - To understand Imperial Culture one has to understand and symbolic nuances of our culture (Mandatory reading list) The Reclaiming: A Historigraphical Analysis of the Cultural Phenomenon - Being this is the cultural phenomenon that brough the Amarr in to contact with the peoples of New Eden and were the root cause of the Empire's first interactions with the other Empires on a cultural level. (Mandatory reading list) 20 Generations a Slave - A work of fiction written by the descendent of a 10th generation Matari slave released by Jamyl Sarum's emancipation degree that discusses the lives of his ancestors as slaves under a Doman Holder. (Mandatory Reading List) Pax Amarria - the writings of late Emperor Heideran V, his thoughts on his time as emperor, and his hopes for a peaceful future as a united Amarr Empire (Mandatory Reading List). (EDIT- Wait is this Out Of Character as in actually books in the real world or In Character as in your character is attending a New Eden culture class?) While I'm plenty interested to know both OOC and in Character, I mainly am looking for the OOC stuff that I would be able to read to get a better idea about each faction. This interest was drawn up from a FW thread that mentioned how the Amarr are such that they naturally seem like the "Bad guys" to most, and how the Caldari generally just look boring. The post also stated that both of these factions also have very rich cultures that tend to be overlooked. Lore wise the Amarr are the product of their world. Which for them was inhospitable to say the least. I could recount to you roughly 20000 years of Amarrian history from their warring city states, to the unification of their planet and the tradition of emancipations and establishment of law protecting such individuals, to their colonisation of other worlds and first contact with other aspects of humanity, all the way up to the last Succession Trials and Empress Sarum's ascension to the Imperial Throne. IMO the Amarr are not evil or wrong in a universe like New Eden (which is wholly unlike the world as we know it) and are more a necessity than anything else. "Sometimes you have to hurt someone to make them understand how badly they're hurting themselves. You have to come to the rescue by being the villain, not just for them but for everyone they touch, lest they lose themselves in that same hellish fire." -Jamyl I Sarum I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1177	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:28:00 - [12] - Quote This [url=http://youtu.be/MlRA5TMPWZ4]Caldari[url\] We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 288	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:38:00 - [13] - Quote Lore Guide *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.*
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 76	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:42:00 - [14] - Quote Just from looking at a few pages of the EVElopedia and True Adamance's replies, I feel like I've already learned quite a bit about New Eden's history and culture. However, I can also see that I've hardly even seen the tip of the iceberg, let alone the whole thing. The lore is quite in depth. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1286	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:37:00 - [15] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Maitue Mae wrote: How the Gallente and Caldari split. This^ I think a lot of people don't even know that the Caldari used to be a part of the Federation. also why they dont know that the gallente use rail weapons also and all gallente bonuses should also apply to rails because rails and blasters are the exact same category of weapon. theyre all hybrids and cal and gal share them equally. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.12.02 05:16:00 - [16] - Quote Learning more about the lore has made me even more disappointed in the shortcomings of Dust... And made me all the more interested in playing EVE. I had never really been too dissapointed in Dust before, because I hadn't know what it was meant to be until I had already been playing it for a year. At the point when I found out what target CCP was trying to hit with Dust I became mildly dissapointed, but now I am quite dissapointed. I can only hope that EVE: Legion can become what Dust514 was meant to be. Because let's face it, Dust is not going to hit the intended target for various reasons. In the meantime Dust will be a useful tool in developing Legion properly. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15312	Posted - 2014.12.02 05:31:00 - [17] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: Lore Guide I'd take that with a grain of salt. It's missing some massive core concepts from the Amarrian lore, haven't looked into the others yet but its full of rather snarky commentary and rather poor generalisations. The notion that you have the be True Amarr to be a free citizen of the Amarr Empire is a joke at best. You do not, not even to be a Holder, Catiz Tash-Murkon can trace her root back the the Udorian's, the Khanid Family were of the original Khanid who helped the Amarr crush the Udorians these dudes were and EMPEROR FAMILY (meaning they were formerly in contention for the role of Emperor during succession trials). Only slaves are indentured servants and law dictates they must be cared for and educated and that no cruelty unbecoming the transgression should ever be inflicted upon them under punishment of enslavement itself. Moreover social trends and tradition mandate that loyal slave families are to be emancipated by their Holder's upon display of sufficient values of an Amarrian citizen. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17921	Posted - 2014.12.02 06:48:00 - [18] - Quote Additional Reading about the day to day life of new edeners http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/ Dust has a few as well http://dust514.com/media/fiction/ CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19745	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:09:00 - [19] - Quote The wiki is honestly an excellent place to start. The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:15:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: Lore Guide I'd take that with a grain of salt. It's missing some massive core concepts from the Amarrian lore, haven't looked into the others yet but its full of rather snarky commentary and rather poor generalisations. The notion that you have the be True Amarr to be a free citizen of the Amarr Empire is a joke at best. You do not, not even to be a Holder, Catiz Tash-Murkon can trace her root back the the Udorian's, the Khanid Family were of the original Khanid who helped the Amarr crush the Udorians these dudes were and EMPEROR FAMILY (meaning they were formerly in contention for the role of Emperor during succession trials). Only slaves are indentured servants and law dictates they must be cared for and educated and that no cruelty unbecoming the transgression should ever be inflicted upon them under punishment of enslavement itself. Moreover social trends and tradition mandate that loyal slave families are to be emancipated by their Holder's upon display of sufficient values of an Amarrian citizen. So, in comparison to real history Amarr slavery was more like middle eastern slavery (during the colonial era) rather than European or American slavery. That is, slaves were treated as a low class, but given the proper respect of being human beings, and had a chance to earn their freedom. There are a lot of things I have learned about the Amarr that don't make them look like such bad guys anymore. I wish I had known all of this before because it is really interesting. I've read some of that, and have taken it for what it is. That is to say, a fairly brief summary of some pretty deep lore, which is bound to leave quite a bit of info out. I could tell from the start that the Amarr part was pretty negatively biased. The table of contents should probably give me a guideline for what to research in EVElopedia. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1703	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:30:00 - [21] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Maitue Mae wrote: How the Gallente and Caldari split. This^ I think a lot of people don't even know that the Caldari used to be a part of the Federation. I don't think a lot of people know that the gallente federation are hypocritical tyrants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QLAgzc19O0 Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15314	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:39:00 - [22] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: True Adamance wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: Lore Guide I'd take that with a grain of salt. It's missing some massive core concepts from the Amarrian lore, haven't looked into the others yet but its full of rather snarky commentary and rather poor generalisations. The notion that you have the be True Amarr to be a free citizen of the Amarr Empire is a joke at best. You do not, not even to be a Holder, Catiz Tash-Murkon can trace her root back the the Udorian's, the Khanid Family were of the original Khanid who helped the Amarr crush the Udorians these dudes were and EMPEROR FAMILY (meaning they were formerly in contention for the role of Emperor during succession trials). Only slaves are indentured servants and law dictates they must be cared for and educated and that no cruelty unbecoming the transgression should ever be inflicted upon them under punishment of enslavement itself. Moreover social trends and tradition mandate that loyal slave families are to be emancipated by their Holder's upon display of sufficient values of an Amarrian citizen. So, in comparison to real history Amarr slavery was more like middle eastern slavery (during the colonial era) rather than European or American slavery. That is, slaves were treated as a low class, but given the proper respect of being human beings, and had a chance to earn their freedom. There are a lot of things I have learned about the Amarr that don't make them look like such bad guys anymore. I wish I had known all of this before because it is really interesting. I've read some of that, and have taken it for what it is. That is to say, a fairly brief summary of some pretty deep lore, which is bound to leave quite a bit of info out. I could tell from the start that the Amarr part was pretty negatively biased. The table of contents should probably give me a guideline for what to research in EVElopedia. Yes and no. This also depends of the time period you are asking about. The modern Amarr are very different to the Classic Amarr before Vak Atioh and Heideran V. Prior to the social changes brought on by the loss of a squadron at Vak Atioh and the rule of Emperor Heideran V the Amarr brutally enslaved every race they came across through out the stars that did not willingly collaborate with them or were to under developed to indoctrinate properly. You might consider the Ealur example of this as they were the first exterior group of humans the Amarr encountered. Lore wise the Amarr enslaved the easily as the Ealur were primitive and soft, unable to adapt to harsher conditions. During this time the Amarr had little use of them as slaves and thus founded the HEP or Human Endurance Programme to determine the limits of the Ealur as a race and to develop them into something useable by the Amarr. Millions of Ealur died under Amarrian whips as their entire genetic make up was broken down, analysed, and the desirable traits bred into them. Now the Ealur are stocky, well developed beings well suited to intense physical labour however despite the Amarr trying the Ealur remain incredibly submissive and are often incapable of functioning independently without the instructions of a Master figure. Thus unlike the other ethnicities of the Amarr Empire they tend to chose to, or kept enslaved for their own good. However other cultures like the Ni Kunni or the Nefantar (Ammatar) were collaborators and were indoctrinated very quickly into the Empire and its sphere of control. The Ni Kunni come from a desert planet where water is revered, the Amarr offered them water in great quanities and found the Ni Kunni open to the Amarr religion and offered them a place in the Emprie (still as slaves) if they collaborated and rooting out the hold outs on their planet of origin. In a single generation most Ni Kunni were free men and women in the Empire. The Nefantar are a collaborating Minmatar Tribe who worked with the Amarrians and were granted a region of space no known as the Ammatar Mandate. Most if not all Ammatar are free men and women. Modern Amarr are very different to the Classical Amarr, though some might remain conservative, on the whole they are more liberal than ever. The late Emperor Heideran V in his closing years before his death did many things to change the way people perceive the Empire and how it functions. Firstly he outlawed Slaving as a legitimate business within the Empire and it was punishable by slavery itself. He also set new laws that suggested that all slaves were to be treated fairly and with the due respect for their station, who were to receive no cruelty that was unjust in light of their transgressions, and also wrote the Pax Amarria which many Amarr look to in the modern world for guidance. The book outlines his thoughts about his years as the Emperor and the trials he faced in leading the Amarr Empire. It also talks about the nature of his Faith and other personal details. However the latter pages of his work contain what some consider to he guidelines and or his hopes for the future of the Amarr Empire where it institutes itself as a peaceful and stable entity and continues to spread the message of Faith in other ways. Though in the modern age you also have the Sani Sabik...... basically off shoot cultists of the Amarr Faith who believe in all sorts of godless heretical things. One cult, the Blood Raiders, believe blood is sacred and should be sacrificed to God through ritualistic sacrifice of slaves and "heathens", other like the Brotherhood of the Lash believe that all pain is constant in the universe and that by either taking pain upon themselves or inflicting it on other victims the lessen the burdens of others, then there is the nihilistic Equilibrium of Mankind.....who are just.....****** up.... I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15314	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:42:00 - [23] - Quote In summary the modern Amarr look at slavery as a means of cultural and religious conversion and amalgamation. Given time they believe that people will temper their bitterness and resentment and realise that the Amarr are seeking to only do good for those people by teaching them to live well and unifying them under one leader and one faith. More practically it also allows the Amarr to rear new generations of slaves to essentially adopt the cultural identity of the Amarr through non combative means. I mean when you are surrounded by a culture you cannot help but be influenced by it....... if that culture is all you ever know it becomes your culture and thus you begin to identify with it. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...


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