DUST Search - FW RELATED - Incentive to fight!

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Mike Ox Bigger wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Mike Ox Bigger wrote:

I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. .

WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN?

9 out of 10 games is JUST ME running out of the red line.

I dont even finished the rest of your post because of this first part being so ignorant.

You hav to give the winners a price. But you also have to give the loosers that REALLY tried an incentive. There is no such thing. And im not busting my a** off anymore for 200 LP.

LOL quit being a ******* scrub and squad up. You're playing solo and bitching about getting your head cracked. Believe me when I say this, I've lost like two battles in the last month for Caladari. Quit trying to play solo, I know you're a good player but that doesn't matter much when theres two squads in proto on the other side. SQUAD THE **** UP.

I understand that Teamwork is the way to go. In MAG KEQ was a powerful clan because of this. But BALANCE means a player should be able to play the game the way he wants, in a squad or solo. Like it or not, solo players have the same right to have fun than you do.

So dont tell me Squad the **** up. Because as a soultion is SO OBVIOUS, it doesnt apply as an advice.
My point is other entirely.... n.n
But thanks for participating in this thread.

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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5968	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote So tell me CCP, why should i fight, push, hack in FW when all my Calamari and amarrian bluberries are just sitting in the redline,and regardless of my efforts in end of the match i will get 195-205 lp? I mean, in Pub matches at least , even if i loose and get my a kicked i still make 350-450k isk. But in FW doesnt matter if i have 2000-4000 WP, i still get payed 200LP. EVEN WHILE LOOSING , LP payout should be correlated DIRECTLY with WAR POINTS. Example: If i get 1000WP, then i get 500LP If i get 2000WP, then i get 1000LP IF i get 1000WP and WIN, then i get 1000LP If i get 2000WP and WIN, then i get 2000LP. (you can issue a LP cap. maybe 2500-3000) AND SO, ON. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.**
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1544	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:56:00 - [2] - Quote I have questions about FW and LP. I do want to try for one of the suits. Am i only allowed to buy an Amarr suit if I fight in Amarr FW? How much LP will I get in a winning battle with 2000wp (rough estimate). How many games am I going to have to grind? Has it taken people weeks, a month, to get 1 suit? I want something to aim for and something to spend my ISK on. DUST VIDEOS
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:04:00 - [3] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: I have questions about FW and LP. I do want to try for one of the suits. Am i only allowed to buy an Amarr suit if I fight in Amarr FW? How much LP will I get in a winning battle with 2000wp (rough estimate). How many games am I going to have to grind? Has it taken people weeks, a month, to get 1 suit? I want something to aim for and something to spend my ISK on. Each faction has their own LP. So yes you must fight for Amarr if you want to buy an Amarr suit LP is static no matter how much wp you obtain. LP increases with your standing in the faction I'm level 8 in Minmatar and get 2k lp (with booster). Apex suits are 100k lp, so at least 50 FW matches (winning matches btw)
Middas Betancore Fatal Absolution 198	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:06:00 - [4] - Quote There's a similar disscussion on another thread Gist is: q-sync or don't bother Which isn't really keeping FW accessible "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2370	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:10:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe you'd be better off running pub matches rather than beating your head against the proverbial wall every match in FW. Either that, or join a team and queue sync.
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 586	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:15:00 - [6] - Quote I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. I've played a few FW that played just like a PC battle, that's the way FW is supposed to be. It's working the way it is, people just lack the effort or are too impatient to squad up and qsync. Right now if I win a battle at level 8 Cal with no booster I can buy 10 proto suits or 15 proto weapons. If I play a pub match I'm lucky if I can restock 4 suits or 4 weapons from ISK payout. Not to mention if you throw on a booster I'm now at 22 proto weapons and like 15 suits. It's already highly beneficial to play FW. For a loss at level 8 with 1 booster I can still restock 4 suits like I was playing a pub match. I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, then I smoke two more.
ch 21 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:17:00 - [7] - Quote SagaB wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: I have questions about FW and LP. I do want to try for one of the suits. Am i only allowed to buy an Amarr suit if I fight in Amarr FW? How much LP will I get in a winning battle with 2000wp (rough estimate). How many games am I going to have to grind? Has it taken people weeks, a month, to get 1 suit? I want something to aim for and something to spend my ISK on. Each faction has their own LP. So yes you must fight for Amarr if you want to buy an Amarr suit LP is static no matter how much wp you obtain. LP increases with your standing in the faction I'm level 8 in Minmatar and get 2k lp (with booster). Apex suits are 100k lp, so at least 50 FW matches (winning matches btw) It is hard to win in Amarr factional warfare when playing by yourself.
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:29:00 - [8] - Quote ch 21 wrote: SagaB wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: I have questions about FW and LP. I do want to try for one of the suits. Am i only allowed to buy an Amarr suit if I fight in Amarr FW? How much LP will I get in a winning battle with 2000wp (rough estimate). How many games am I going to have to grind? Has it taken people weeks, a month, to get 1 suit? I want something to aim for and something to spend my ISK on. Each faction has their own LP. So yes you must fight for Amarr if you want to buy an Amarr suit LP is static no matter how much wp you obtain. LP increases with your standing in the faction I'm level 8 in Minmatar and get 2k lp (with booster). Apex suits are 100k lp, so at least 50 FW matches (winning matches btw) It is hard to win in Amarr factional warfare when playing by yourself. Yes I agree to an extent as I do not play solo in Amarr faction. All I can say is good luck!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5970	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:34:00 - [9] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? 9 out of 10 games is JUST ME running out of the red line. I dont even finished the rest of your post because of this first part being so ignorant. You hav to give the winners a price. But you also have to give the loosers that REALLY tried an incentive. There is no such thing. And im not busting my a off anymore for 200 LP. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.**
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 764	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:35:00 - [10] - Quote And the Gallente with their Thale's! Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.

Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 587	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:39:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? 9 out of 10 games is JUST ME running out of the red line. I dont even finished the rest of your post because of this first part being so ignorant. You hav to give the winners a price. But you also have to give the loosers that REALLY tried an incentive. There is no such thing. And im not busting my a off anymore for 200 LP. LOL quit being a *** scrub and squad up. You're playing solo and bitching about getting your head cracked. Believe me when I say this, I've lost like two battles in the last month for Caladari. Quit trying to play solo, I know you're a good player but that doesn't matter much when theres two squads in proto on the other side. SQUAD THE ** UP. I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, then I smoke two more.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5971	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:13:00 - [12] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? 9 out of 10 games is JUST ME running out of the red line. I dont even finished the rest of your post because of this first part being so ignorant. You hav to give the winners a price. But you also have to give the loosers that REALLY tried an incentive. There is no such thing. And im not busting my a off anymore for 200 LP. LOL quit being a *** scrub and squad up. You're playing solo and bitching about getting your head cracked. Believe me when I say this, I've lost like two battles in the last month for Caladari. Quit trying to play solo, I know you're a good player but that doesn't matter much when theres two squads in proto on the other side. SQUAD THE UP. I understand that Teamwork is the way to go. In MAG KEQ was a powerful clan because of this. But BALANCE means a player should be able to play the game the way he wants, in a squad or solo. Like it or not, solo players have the same right to have fun than you do. So dont tell me Squad the up. Because as a soultion is SO OBVIOUS, it doesnt apply as an advice. My point is other entirely.... n.n But thanks for participating in this thread. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2183	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So tell me CCP, why should i fight, push, hack in FW when all my Calamari and amarrian bluberries are just sitting in the redline,and regardless of my efforts in end of the match i will get 195-205 lp? I mean, in Pub matches at least , even if i loose and get my a kicked i still make 350-450k isk. But in FW doesnt matter if i have 2000-4000 WP, i still get payed 200LP. EVEN WHILE LOOSING , LP payout should be correlated DIRECTLY with WAR POINTS. Example: If i get 1000WP, then i get 500LP If i get 2000WP, then i get 1000LP IF i get 1000WP and WIN, then i get 1000LP If i get 2000WP and WIN, then i get 2000LP. (you can issue a LP cap. maybe 2500-3000) AND SO, ON. i had a vaugely similar idea we get +75 LP ontop of the base LP per rank/level so why dont we apply that "bonus" to the loss LP too.. that way it promotes loyalty but also gives enough LP so we feel we are adequately compensated for our time #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]**
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1028	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:29:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? If there is no Incentive for you to win a FW, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING IT? CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8311	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:52:00 - [15] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? If there is no Incentive for you to win a FW, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING IT? Faction loyalty Yo KC is Amarr Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 442	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:56:00 - [16] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. . WHAT INCENTIVE TO WIN? 9 out of 10 games is JUST ME running out of the red line. I dont even finished the rest of your post because of this first part being so ignorant. You hav to give the winners a price. But you also have to give the loosers that REALLY tried an incentive. There is no such thing. And im not busting my a off anymore for 200 LP. LOL quit being a *** scrub and squad up. You're playing solo and bitching about getting your head cracked. Believe me when I say this, I've lost like two battles in the last month for Caladari. Quit trying to play solo, I know you're a good player but that doesn't matter much when theres two squads in proto on the other side. SQUAD THE UP. I understand that Teamwork is the way to go. In MAG KEQ was a powerful clan because of this. But BALANCE means a player should be able to play the game the way he wants, in a squad or solo. Like it or not, solo players have the same right to have fun than you do. So dont tell me Squad the ** up. Because as a soultion is SO OBVIOUS, it doesnt apply as an advice. My point is other entirely.... n.n But thanks for participating in this thread. KEQ in MAG was a good clan but they did struggle to "play as a team" In Dust I prefer to just play solo but if I'm bored then I squad up and have fun instead of stomping the other team. It seems that the good players are so desperate to win. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 589	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:26:00 - [17] - Quote Well, like KC said it's hard to play if you're not winning as you don't get much for a loss. Perhaps a change is needed to motivate players to play more FW even if they do tend to lose. I'm all for whatever keeps DUST alive longer. I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, then I smoke two more.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2939	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote Or, the LP reward per match is reduced for winning and losing (to 65%), but each WP you get gives you 1 LP...I think that would work quite nicely "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:08:00 - [19] - Quote I'd play factional but its hard enough getting in a factional match.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5977	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:10:00 - [20] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: I'd play factional but its hard enough getting in a factional match. IF you play for MIN or GAL im sure it is..... Amarrian Born. State Patriot.

Grimmiers 721	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:16:00 - [21] - Quote There should also be a benefit for holding more districts for your faction which is determined by your standing level. Also fighting for the opposite side should take away 2 matches worth of standing points and if you continue fighting it would go up exponentially.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5978	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:21:00 - [22] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Well, like KC said it's hard to play if you're not winning as you don't get much for a loss. Perhaps a change is needed to motivate players to play more FW even if they do tend to lose. I'm all for whatever keeps DUST alive longer. Exactly. I can play solo in Pub matches because even if i loose i get payed 250k-450k... Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:26:00 - [23] - Quote Sounds like you are looking for greater incentive to afk.. just stop playing lol. The game doesn't create an environment for competitive play in any sense so why not we might as well be playing defiance lol. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:26:00 - [24] - Quote Sounds like you are looking for greater incentive to afk.. just stop playing lol. The game doesn't create an environment for competitive play in any sense so why not we might as well be playing defiance lol. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5978	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:28:00 - [25] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Sounds like you are looking for greater incentive to afk.. just stop playing lol. The game doesn't create an environment for competitive play in any sense so why not we might as well be playing defiance lol. THATS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE! If i AFK i get payed the same 200LP than if i go 3500 WP and loose. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15188	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:29:00 - [26] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I like how FW is setup. If you don't win you don't get much, that makes people put forth more of an effort to win. I've played a few FW that played just like a PC battle, that's the way FW is supposed to be. It's working the way it is, people just lack the effort or are too impatient to squad up and qsync. Right now if I win a battle at level 8 Cal with no booster I can buy 10 proto suits or 15 proto weapons. If I play a pub match I'm lucky if I can restock 4 suits or 4 weapons from ISK payout. Not to mention if you throw on a booster I'm now at 22 proto weapons and like 15 suits. It's already highly beneficial to play FW. For a loss at level 8 with 1 booster I can still restock 4 suits like I was playing a pub match. I highly doubt it. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15188	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:34:00 - [27] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: There should also be a benefit for holding more districts for your faction which is determined by your standing level. Also fighting for the opposite side should take away 2 matches worth of standing points and if you continue fighting it would go up exponentially. Numbers of districts mean jack **** in FW especially for the pilots we should be caring about. I mean frankly it doesn't matter if Amarr owns 95% of the warzone DUst side if that 5% is focuses in the one system the Minmatar EVE players are plexing. In shot players are assuming that the region wide stats they are pulling out of their assess mean something instead of how focused the numbers of their districts in certain systems are. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 360	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:38:00 - [28] - Quote What's the most active Caldari channel? Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
castba Rogue Instincts 660	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:52:00 - [29] - Quote Perhaps if there were four "official" static FW chat channels -say under the CORP chat channel - where players could "LFS" quickly and efficiently, there would be less single-berry players and possibly more competitive battles. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5981	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:58:00 - [30] - Quote Or perhaps it should be like MAG. Choose a faction.Choose an ''Allied'' or Secondary Faction. Fight only for those Factions. DEAL WITH IT. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.

The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:07:00 - [31] - Quote Another benefit would be that both sides would get a good payout when boosting. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:07:00 - [32] - Quote Another benefit would be that both sides would get a good payout when boosting. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15188	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:12:00 - [33] - Quote castba wrote: Perhaps if there were four "official" static FW chat channels -say under the CORP chat channel - where players could "LFS" quickly and efficiently, there would be less single-berry players and possibly more competitive battles. That's how it is in EVE. You sign up to a militia and engage in their FW, and the FW of their allies (though you cannot shoot I hubs) . You gain access to a static channel and can work out of that. However most FW groups make their own channels anyway for one reason or another. Hell back when EVE started Militias had to make their own channels for organisation like we Dusters are doing now. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
First Prophet Nos Nothi 1991	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:05:00 - [34] - Quote Everyone here always says "Squad up!", but let's be real here. Squad finder sucks REAL hard. Most squads there are just squads of 1 player, and everything's at the whim of the squad leader that's just some random, and some them speak other languages. Even if you LFS in your faction's militia channel, it can take a really LONG time to get into a squad. 10 minutes at least is expected. 20 minutes isn't unheard of. And that's ONTOP of the 10 minutes it takes to actually get into a FW match. Ideally, FW should be the in between of PC and pubs. Squadding up should be expected. But Dust is not ideal. Playing solo NEEDS to be an option. No one is going to bother playing FW if that isn't the case, and FW is already hard enough to get into. People find this this review helpful!
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 442	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:30:00 - [35] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Everyone here always says "Squad up!", but let's be real here. Squad finder sucks REAL hard. Most squads there are just squads of 1 player, and everything's at the whim of the squad leader that's just some random, and some them speak other languages. Even if you LFS in your faction's militia channel, it can take a really LONG time to get into a squad. 10 minutes at least is expected. 20 minutes isn't unheard of. And that's ONTOP of the 10 minutes it takes to actually get into a FW match. Ideally, FW should be the in between of PC and pubs. Squadding up should be expected. But Dust is not ideal. Playing solo NEEDS to be an option. No one is going to bother playing FW if that isn't the case, and FW is already hard enough to get into. I even hate those squads who say Mics only I'm like well I do have a mic but just don't feel like using it, ever. Of course, there are those who make it a big ***** deal. Those players think everyone should have a mic. Many times I just never use my mic because they'll always ***, moan, and complain. -_-... My excuse is " I'm charging my mic." In reality I don't feel like using it. lol. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1698	Posted - 2014.11.29 01:50:00 - [36] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: What's the most active Caldari channel? Kirjuun Heiian. Though someone has recently been trying to spread the rumor that the channel is being 'reset' which is absolutely not the case. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4745	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:20:00 - [37] - Quote I gave up running FW solo a long time ago. If you want to solo it, stick with pubs, checkmate. You start giving out those kind of payouts and FW won't be much different than pubs, which nobody wants. High risk, high reward. Good players on the losing side should be rewarded better but not this well. A small standings increase, maybe a bit more LP but not like you suggest, and not to reward solo play. Again, that's what pubs are for. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Spartykins Militaires Sans Jeux 81	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:44:00 - [38] - Quote Higher payouts for trying? Yes please! I'd actually come out of the MCC if this happened. (Insert witty phrase here)


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