No thanks ill keep my 1 charge shots and one more thing, ScR is not OP

Granted, I did not include the reduced damage to armor in my post. So the percentages of Mediums might be off by 10%-20% or so and heavies by the same or maybe some more. I've seen some almost 1500 EHP Sentinels, it would take a whole 3 charged shots ScR, or nearly 2 complete AR clips of 50+.

I have seen one player kill 5 opponents without reloading with a scrambler rifle. I can not say the same for any AR or CR player.


I'm not saying the Scrambler Rifle needs to go or else!!!! Panic, Panic, Panic.

I'm saying it's out of balance with the other weapons out there and could/should be looked at by CCP.

Using the term "OP" draws this ridiculous negative reaction on this forum.

The scrambler rifle is different from most other weapons in that it has an optional charge up feature. But the optional charge up feature only uses one ammo.

In short, Why?

Have it use up 5 ammo when using a charged shot.

A full clip of 45 Shots with 65.00 damage, uncharged is one thing. Fully Charged is how much damage possible with each shot?

The experts with it, seem to charge up the shot to destroy your shields and then pick away at you with charged and uncharged shots. If they hit you with 2 charged shots in a row, that will kill virtually 100 percent of the lights out there, 90% of the mediums out there and probably 75% of the heavies out there.

Now with most AR's I can't shot anybody with just 2 shots and kill them. 2 shots from a proto tactical, might do it to some light suits, or of course the infamous "Head shot." But the clip and the ammo size are only about 20% different from the basic scrambler and the basic AR.

The other weapons that can kill with one or two shots have a vastly smaller clip size and total ammo amount.

Yeah, but the heat build up, the cool down period and the possible overheat damage. And Yeah, I've killed myself because of the overheating issue, not paying attention.

Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, Plasma Cannons, and Forge Guns (Mass Drivers and Swarm Launchers don't make sense to include in this group).

This is part of the reason it's OP.

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Of course it isn't! However, the OP does have a point? We won't bring up that armor damage it puts out?!

The SCR has a modifier of 3.5 damage on the charged shot.

That roughly equates to in unmodified (excluding proficiency) HP damage: 250.25

Shield Damage: 300.3 (w/ Prof 337.83)
Armour Damage: 200.2

This is part of the reason it's OP.

Thanks for reading this.

Can I have what you're smoking?

So the argument against my proposal is,

Because the Sentinel - a third tier dropsuit, with the highest base EHP of all the dropsuits, needs three charged shots to kill it, it's not out of balance?

Right.

The average dropsuit people are running out there is somewhere between 400 and 600 EHP. Sentinels are between 850 and 950 without any augmentations.

What are the numbers for a second tier Scrambler rifle with say a basic damage enhancement. Enough to kill most characters with a charged shot and one or two additional shots?

The problem most Scrambler users have is using it as a short range or medium range weapon. It is a medium to long range weapon and takes some getting used to.

My suggestion is to have the charged shot use more than one ammo and a reduction in the clip size. Maybe 5 is too high, maybe 3 ammo for a charged shot is more reasonable. Maybe 25 ammo in the clip is more in line with other weapons.

I can honestly not say with or not I have been killed with an Assault Scrambler.

I have been killed many times by Vizian Scramblers. Not just from Am Assaaults, but scouts and commandos, and mediums, etc.

It isn't out of whack like Rail Rifles were, but it is out of whack with the other weapons.

So the argument against my proposal is,

Because the Sentinel - a third tier dropsuit, with the highest base EHP of all the dropsuits, needs three charged shots to kill it, it's not out of balance?

The SCR has a modifier of 3.5 damage on the charged shot.

That roughly equates to in unmodified (excluding proficiency) HP damage: 250.25

Shield Damage: 300.3 (w/ Prof 337.83)
Armour Damage: 200.2

The average dropsuit people are running out there is somewhere between 400 and 600 EHP. Sentinels are between 850 and 950 without any augmentations.

My suggestion is to have the charged shot use more than one ammo and a reduction in the clip size. Maybe 5 is too high, maybe 3 ammo for a charged shot is more reasonable. Maybe 25 ammo in the clip is more in line with other weapons.

I have been killed many times by Vizian Scramblers. Not just from Am Assaaults, but scouts and commandos, and mediums, etc.

It isn't out of whack like Rail Rifles were, but it is out of whack with the other weapons.

So the argument against my proposal is,

Because the Sentinel - a third tier dropsuit, with the highest base EHP of all the dropsuits, needs three charged shots to kill it, it's not out of balance?

Right.

The average dropsuit people are running out there is somewhere between 400 and 600 EHP. Sentinels are between 850 and 950 without any augmentations.

What are the numbers for a second tier Scrambler rifle with say a basic damage enhancement. Enough to kill most characters with a charged shot and one or two additional shots?

The problem most Scrambler users have is using it as a short range or medium range weapon. It is a medium to long range weapon and takes some getting used to.

My suggestion is to have the charged shot use more than one ammo and a reduction in the clip size. Maybe 5 is too high, maybe 3 ammo for a charged shot is more reasonable. Maybe 25 ammo in the clip is more in line with other weapons.

I can honestly not say with or not I have been killed with an Assault Scrambler.

I have been killed many times by Vizian Scramblers. Not just from Am Assaaults, but scouts and commandos, and mediums, etc.

It isn't out of whack like Rail Rifles were, but it is out of whack with the other weapons.

If anything, the charge shot needs a buff.

It does only 325% more damage, but generated about 1000% more heat.
It also takes about 2 seconds to fully charge. In that time, 10-14 regular shots could be let off by most people. It is essentially cutting DPS into about Gàô.

Charged shots are pretty much useless against anything but Calscouts and Minscouts that are standing still. And even then, only if its an ambush and they don't see you, which is pretty damn hard to pull off against a Calscout when you are in an Amassault. 99% of the time, its the other way around.

The scrambler rifle is different from most other weapons in that it has an optional charge up feature. But the optional charge up feature only uses one ammo.

In short, Why?

Have it use up 5 ammo when using a charged shot.

A full clip of 45 Shots with 65.00 damage, uncharged is one thing. Fully Charged is how much damage possible with each shot?

The experts with it, seem to charge up the shot to destroy your shields and then pick away at you with charged and uncharged shots. If they hit you with 2 charged shots in a row, that will kill virtually 100 percent of the lights out there, 90% of the mediums out there and probably 75% of the heavies out there.

Now with most AR's I can't shot anybody with just 2 shots and kill them. 2 shots from a proto tactical, might do it to some light suits, or of course the infamous "Head shot." But the clip and the ammo size are only about 20% different from the basic scrambler and the basic AR.

The other weapons that can kill with one or two shots have a vastly smaller clip size and total ammo amount.

Yeah, but the heat build up, the cool down period and the possible overheat damage. And Yeah, I've killed myself because of the overheating issue, not paying attention.

Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, Plasma Cannons, and Forge Guns (Mass Drivers and Swarm Launchers don't make sense to include in this group).

This is part of the reason it's OP.

Thanks for reading this.

To victor

I didn't bother reading your reply.

It went something like this...

[You're stupid, blah, blah, blah....]

I mean seriously, do you think that will make me believe your position?? There are reasons why forums, Gaming in particular, have bad reputations.

So the argument against my proposal is,

Because the Sentinel - a third tier dropsuit, with the highest base EHP of all the dropsuits, needs three charged shots to kill it, it's not out of balance?[...]

Yeah.Even a sentinel with absolutely no HP mods would be able to take roughly 3 charged shots, unless they are headshots.
Considering the weapon overheats after 2 without Amassault, I don't think this is a problem.

To victor

I didn't bother reading your reply.

It went something like this...

[You're stupid, blah, blah, blah....]

I mean seriously, do you think that will make me believe your position?? There are reasons why forums, Gaming in particular, have bad reputations.

Victor still doesn't get it.

I go out of my way to try and avoid these kind of conflicts.

I'm done with this particular thread. I'm sorry I have offended any of you.

Good Day.

Thanks for reading this.