DUST Search - Medium Frame Improvement Proposal (Spreadsheet inside)

Meee One wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

I think a second equipment slot across the board would be perfect. Even at Standard.
That would solidify their place between Assault and Logistics and help the NPE A LOT.

Not sure about the other stuff though...
I'm not sure they need Assault level CPU/PG. Maybe a small buff so fitting a second equip would be more viable.

I think standardizing Logis Equipment slots across the board would go well nicely with this. So that they have the same amount of slots at all tiers like every other class in the game. Considering Logis are the equipment class, I don't see why this wasn't done a long time ago...

Everyone simply must have 2 equipment slots now?
First it was scouts.
Now its basics.
Next it's assaults.

Even if logistics gets equal slots,it still means they sacrifice base stats for +1 equipment slot for 1/2 of the whole class.
Yes,im talking about Cal and Amarr logistics.

A line needs to be drawn,and this is where it is.
No to anymore equipment slots for any other classes.

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shaman oga T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 3324	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17UdQzfxuUarPTT4qnjVa9y9Gy_e9x-zYI38HxX6mbWc/edit?usp=sharing This is how i've imagined medium frames. TL:DR More CPU/PG 2nd Equipment slot from ADV to PRO B-type Slot layout Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
shaman oga T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 3328	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote Little bump. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1345	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:37:00 - [3] - Quote shaman oga wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17UdQzfxuUarPTT4qnjVa9y9Gy_e9x-zYI38HxX6mbWc/edit?usp=sharing This is how i've imagined medium frames. TL:DR More CPU/PG 2nd Equipment slot from ADV to PRO B-type Slot layout Gäû Stop trying to give a 'non-role specific suit' a role. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 178	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:43:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17UdQzfxuUarPTT4qnjVa9y9Gy_e9x-zYI38HxX6mbWc/edit?usp=sharing This is how i've imagined medium frames. TL:DR More CPU/PG 2nd Equipment slot from ADV to PRO B-type Slot layout Nop. Medium Frame are here for people who don't wanna wait for the racial. So it's normal they don't have a bonus, or a role. So - More CPU/PG : Nop, if you want more PG/CPU, go to racial suits. And (I take the caldari example) a proto with 72 PG ? So you are saying you wanna double tanking for caldari medium frame ? ERK. - 2nd equipment slot from ADV to PRO : Nop. If you want a second equipment, go to logistic - B-type Slot layout : The only thing I don't desagree, we can discuss about it. Like a dream
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1236	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:48:00 - [5] - Quote I think a second equipment slot across the board would be perfect. Even at Standard. That would solidify their place between Assault and Logistics and help the NPE A LOT. Not sure about the other stuff though... I'm not sure they need Assault level CPU/PG. Maybe a small buff so fitting a second equip would be more viable. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1346	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:58:00 - [6] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: I think a second equipment slot across the board would be perfect. Even at Standard. That would solidify their place between Assault and Logistics and help the NPE A LOT. Not sure about the other stuff though... I'm not sure they need Assault level CPU/PG. Maybe a small buff so fitting a second equip would be more viable. I think standardizing Logis Equipment slots across the board would go well nicely with this. So that they have the same amount of slots at all tiers like every other class in the game. Considering Logis are the equipment class, I don't see why this wasn't done a long time ago... Everyone simply must have 2 equipment slots now? First it was scouts. Now its basics. Next it's assaults. Even if logistics gets equal slots,it still means they sacrifice base stats for +1 equipment slot for 1/2 of the whole class. Yes,im talking about Cal and Amarr logistics. A line needs to be drawn,and this is where it is. No to anymore equipment slots for any other classes. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: I think a second equipment slot across the board would be perfect. Even at Standard. That would solidify their place between Assault and Logistics and help the NPE A LOT. This. This this this this this. The unspecialized medium frame suits getting a second equipment slot makes them the stepping stone hybrid between the Assault and the Logi. Want more killyness? Go Assault, gain a slot layout with better tank/damage potential, more base HP, and sacrifice the versatility of a second equipment slot. Want more equipmen? Go Logi, sacrificing some base stats for lots of equipment and bonuses for said equipment. It even opens the door for players who want to sort-of have both, while simultaneously preventing these players from excelling at both slaying/assaulting stuff and being amazeballs at equipment-oriented team support. Perhaps more importantly, IMO, it also allows newbros to get a better grasp on the Logi playstyle without actually having to invest into a role that they might find they despise playing. Meee One wrote: Gäû Stop trying to give a 'non-role specific suit' a role. Where has a non-specialized suit been given anything resembling a specific role by the OP's proposal? Because as far as I can see, this proposal pretty much makes the Racial Medium Frame suits the "jack of all trades" choice- which also means that they are master of none. Which, IMO, is only a good thing, since such a change could potentially open the door for the Assault to be made into a suit that's more appropriate for actually assaulting stuff, instead of this "jack-of-all-trades/super-flexible" BS that we have now that has never even been prioritized as the defining aspect of the role. Keep in mind that the specialized roles still gain skill bonuses, and additional benefits (like increased durability or many more equipment slots), so the "unspecialized" medium frame being a middle ground, quite frankly, is the only thing that makes sense, instead of having them being sort of a stripped-down Assault suit. Buff Logis \| Nerf Scouts
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1236	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:07:00 - [8] - Quote Meee One wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: I think a second equipment slot across the board would be perfect. Even at Standard. That would solidify their place between Assault and Logistics and help the NPE A LOT. Not sure about the other stuff though... I'm not sure they need Assault level CPU/PG. Maybe a small buff so fitting a second equip would be more viable. I think standardizing Logis Equipment slots across the board would go well nicely with this. So that they have the same amount of slots at all tiers like every other class in the game. Considering Logis are the equipment class, I don't see why this wasn't done a long time ago... Everyone simply must have 2 equipment slots now? First it was scouts. Now its basics. Next it's assaults. Even if logistics gets equal slots,it still means they sacrifice base stats for +1 equipment slot for 1/2 of the whole class. Yes,im talking about Cal and Amarr logistics. A line needs to be drawn,and this is where it is. No to anymore equipment slots for any other classes. I think Scouts should lose their 2nd equip. Or something. Scouts are OP and need the be put in their place on the sidelines, rather than the psuedoassaults they are now. And Assaults should never get a second one. No way. That isn't their role. And this will make it so Assaults sacrifice something too. Right now they are a pure upgrade over the standard suits, and with this, they would at least lose an equipment slot. I just want a support capable suit for the newbros. Right now a prospective logi is stuck with a single slot. They have no way to help their team in any way other than cannon fodder right now. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:10:00 - [9] - Quote Meee One wrote: Everyone simply must have 2 equipment slots now? First it was scouts. Now its basics. Next it's assaults. Even if logistics gets equal slots,it still means they sacrifice base stats for +1 equipment slot for 1/2 of the whole class. Yes,im talking about Cal and Amarr logistics. A line needs to be drawn,and this is where it is. No to anymore equipment slots for any other classes. I will open my response to this by saying that I absolutely disagree that an Assault should have multiple equipment slots. I will also note that the sole intention of the "2-equip" scout was so that scouts had an equipment slot to be helpful, while also a carrying a cloak so that they could cross open ground. That's the original intention... obviously it's been shattered into a million pieces (ex: slayer scouts, "assault lite", and the increasing prevalence of "logi lite"), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't balance things around the intended design goal and usage. Now, I will also note that the Logi class as a whole just needs a buttload of work. And quite frankly, I see no reason why the general ineffectiveness of the Logi at present should prevent other suit options from being made useful. Because when it comes down to it, nobody uses basic frames, unless they are new to the game and do not have access to a specialized suit. It's the only time that it happens. Fizzer XCIV wrote: [...] I just want a support capable suit for the newbros. Right now a prospective logi is stuck with a single slot. They have no way to help their team in any way other than cannon fodder right now. This right here, is IMO the greatest reason to give the Basic Medium Frames a second equipment slot. Because a newbro who wants to be a logi should not be prevented from being helpful to their team just because they are limited to only one equipment slot. Buff Logis \| Nerf Scouts
shaman oga T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 3328	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:23:00 - [10] - Quote Meee One wrote: shaman oga wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17UdQzfxuUarPTT4qnjVa9y9Gy_e9x-zYI38HxX6mbWc/edit?usp=sharing This is how i've imagined medium frames. TL:DR More CPU/PG 2nd Equipment slot from ADV to PRO B-type Slot layout Gäû Stop trying to give a 'non-role specific suit' a role. What role? Stop giving stupid reasons, currently medium frame are useless, something has to be done. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1283	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:54:00 - [11] - Quote basic tech 1 suits need 2 racial bonuses to that race this is how eve ships work s. the specialized tech 2 suits like the assault suit, logi, scout, etc, etc need 4 bonuses and a role bonus. first 2 scale with the basic suit skill, the other 2 scale with the specialization suit skill. so it takes ten levels to max the tech 2 bonuses. 5 to max the tech 1 bonuses. this is how eve ships work. it makes it harder for specializations to be as powerful requiring more investment. and it makes basic non role specifics to be competitive and therefore new player friendly. as well as offering a cheaper competitive alternative for veteran players thats not as powerful to new players as the specializations. the equipment and pgcpu changes are all negotiable. the price of the basic suits needs to be cheaper. eve does not have this problem and the solution here comes directly from eve. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3502	Posted - 2014.12.24 11:05:00 - [12] - Quote Since we are near X-mas, i hope we will have this present. B type suits. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.


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