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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 23:29:00 -
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IMO You shouldn't have access to logistical tools if you are not willing to keep your logistics players on the field.
If anything I see this as a chance to affirm the role. Using your equipment sparingly and with less intent to simply ring an objective with Nanohives and Uplinks before completely changing role to something else.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:05:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Sorry OP but its going to be as sad day you players like you and me.
All of the people in favor of this change are have the mentatility of your typical blueberry. As the guys who never droplinks, or bring what they can and switch roles as deemed necessary to the whole team. Nope, they just run around in circles and wonder why i'm getting so many war points for bringing the only uplinks in a dom.
When my squad needs a hacker I leave my HAV and go it on foot.
When my Squad needs a tank it does not matter what unit I was before I am now a tank.
When a new role is needed your former role should cease to have impact on the battlefield.
Thus if you want logistical options on the battlefield then you must remain a logi to provide your team with access to them.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:50:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
Let me address your tank analogy:
Say you're a good squadmate, you bring out links. Situation calls for a Tank.
Should you lose all of your equipment because tanks have no bandwidth?
Or you jump out of your Tank to hack a point. You are now a Hacker, should your Tank be destroyed because you changed roles?
B.S.
I don't believe that I should have my cake and eat it too.
I see no reason that I should be able to reap the benefits of multiple classes at the same time.
If I want people spawns Vehicle wise should I not equip a MCRU? Is that not the MCRU's function?
But back to the point have yet to hear an argument that logically convinces me that you should be able to use a logistics suit to lay down X number of equipment items and then switch out to another suit and spend the rest of the battle in that role.
Honestly I have little experience with Logistics roles beyond the Rep, Rez, Resupply archetype, but if I hear a well reasoned argument I am willing to revise my opinion.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Being in a tank doesn't require a specific dropsuit. Nor does being a hacker (ironically, logi dropsuits receive a 10% bonus to hack speed). You aren't comparing apples to apples.
This isn't about roles. This is about players abusing deployable equipment to farm WPs while they slay. If you want to drop some uplinks then do so in your assault fitting; I do it in mine. They work fine and the bandwidth update won't effect you except you won't be able to drop a dozen of them now... which is good because you aren't in a logi dropsuit. Dropping dozens of uplinks is a logi-thing.
I wish high tier vehicle use did require a suit......
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 06:48:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Being in a tank doesn't require a specific dropsuit. Nor does being a hacker (ironically, logi dropsuits receive a 10% bonus to hack speed). You aren't comparing apples to apples.
This isn't about roles. This is about players abusing deployable equipment to farm WPs while they slay. If you want to drop some uplinks then do so in your assault fitting; I do it in mine. They work fine and the bandwidth update won't effect you except you won't be able to drop a dozen of them now... which is good because you aren't in a logi dropsuit. Dropping dozens of uplinks is a logi-thing. I wish high tier vehicle use did require a suit...... you mean the two things that will never be in dust aka the pilot suit and higher teir vehicles. Remember that there are only std hulls for each vehicle so what you just said will never happen. Dont suggest something about a thing you donr know about spec into tanks and try them youll see why tanks are bitches to av now because everyone cried for a nerf now a nerf is coming to logis and yall cry about it but you guys wont stop ccp tankers and othed vehicle users have tried before your getteng nerfed deal with it. Edit: sorry true didnt know it was you but i bet youll agree.
I do nothing else but tank in this game mate................
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:14:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:True Adamance wrote:IMO You shouldn't have access to logistical tools if you are not willing to keep your logistics players on the field.
If anything I see this as a chance to affirm the role. Using your equipment sparingly and with less intent to simply ring an objective with Nanohives and Uplinks before completely changing role to something else. Ok...so what is the similar trade off that ANY OTHER role will make? The logi players, dedicated support players mind you, will be forced into far sharper trade offs than any other role because the "cost" of switching suits mid-fight won't be nearly as impactful to any other role on the battlefield.
You make fair points there I accept that there will be sharper trade offs for the logistics players. That doesn't really sit right with me. Logi players shouldn't be punished for using their equipment but in equal measure they should not be encouraged to place exorbitant amounts of equipment all over the map, they should be incentive to use it properly.
However you have yet to suggest why the logistics player should gain the benefit of using their suit, switching to another, and continuing to have personal and team wide benefits despite being a completely different role.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:18:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:True Adamance wrote: However you have yet to suggest why the logistics player should gain the benefit of using their suit, switching to another, and continuing to have personal and team wide benefits despite being a completely different role.
Every suit has this ability to varying degrees already...the uplinks you placed in the perfect spot as a scout remain, correct? Even with bandwidth applied those uplinks will likely still be active when that scout switches to his Six Kin HMG fit then back to his cloak shotgunner fit a few minutes later. Effectively every suit can enjoy the benefits you describe while being in a different role and switch roles with near impunity. I for one actually think that is a strength of the game. The issue is the scale or capacity for spam that logi suits have seem to be the point of contention you bring up. There is no way to impact that without a negative impact on Logi suits short of a dramatic revision of how equipment works in the game. Perhaps the idea of squad bandwidth might level things out...it's honestly difficult to tell. There are numerous variables that are difficult to sort through to try and find an optimal solution in regards to equipment spam. Logi suits desperately need significant redesign already and perhaps bandwidth can be a positive factor but it can't simply be another constraint that they carry the lionshare of the consequences on. One thing i do know about Dust is that nothing scales well. Two scouts add flavor and variety to a team and added tactical challenge to an opponent but 13 of them on one team is broken. The same can be said for heavies, vehicles, and apparently equipment.
Now that is well reasoned.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.30 04:04:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Being in a tank doesn't require a specific dropsuit. Nor does being a hacker (ironically, logi dropsuits receive a 10% bonus to hack speed). You aren't comparing apples to apples.
This isn't about roles. This is about players abusing deployable equipment to farm WPs while they slay. If you want to drop some uplinks then do so in your assault fitting; I do it in mine. They work fine and the bandwidth update won't effect you except you won't be able to drop a dozen of them now... which is good because you aren't in a logi dropsuit. Dropping dozens of uplinks is a logi-thing. I wish high tier vehicle use did require a suit...... Ew No thanks. Pilot suits are an aweful idea honestly. CCP already can't balance vehicles, god forbid they force us to waste even MORE SP on a suit that will ultimately just give us average vehicles, while anyone without them rides around in garbage. Bad idea is and always has been bad
I don't necessarily want them to do anything but I would like a visual representation that I am a pilot.
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