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Fox Gaden wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Haerr wrote:

Is the problem for more vehicle/vehicle variants being added to the game that they would have to fit into a 16v16 infantry shooter or is that there currently are no game modes/gameplay designed specifically to cater to vehicle play?

If Dust has no capability of supporting game mode(s) that cater (ever so slightly) to vehicle play then the subject of vehicles is pretty much closed. (For me that is.)

If there were game modes specifically for infantry play, vehicle play, and combined play, would that help or would that be a wasted effort because of PS3+UE3 related performance concerns or time constraints?

I would say more vehicles/vehicle variants require that vehicles have defined gameplay roles. And that really doesn't have anything to do with match size. (Except for maybe fighters, because they move too fast, but there's a whole lot of technical reasons I doubt we'll ever seen those.) But vehicles do need to fit into the game we have, not fit into the game we want someday.

I don't know if you'd ever see a vehicles only game mode, because I am not even sure how that would work in a game where everyone can get in and out of their vehicles. I suppose you could do a Titanfall-esque "Last Vehicle Standing" mode, where everyone spawns in a tank or something (and you could get out, but it'd be dumb), and there's no respawns, but that's not very New Eden-y, and you'd need some sort of fit selection at spawn for vehicles.

Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now.

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Haerr 1995	Posted - 2014.11.24 14:32:00 - [1] - Quote fighters: youtube - concept art i rate fighters twenty-twelve out of two dozen, would post again fighter jets
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 830	Posted - 2014.11.24 14:49:00 - [2] - Quote Seen the video before but not the concept art. That's a nice looking Gallente fighter. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1000	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:32:00 - [3] - Quote I'm sad because they aren't in the game... Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4802	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:36:00 - [4] - Quote I hadn't actually seen that video. I get the impression though that higher velocity fighters would require much larger battlegrounds than we have now. And I wonder how AV would work with them. Good luck getting a swarm lock on that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 237	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:40:00 - [5] - Quote 1.9 models was created in 2013... Also we have 2 LAV that not in game, but we seen models, some instalations, 2 fighters, CreoDron delivering ship and etc. I think DCCP (dust CCP) just realized one day, that UE 3 doesn't support large space with 64+ players... PS3 just dies... even now We don't have fighters because there is no space to fly
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 102	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:00:00 - [6] - Quote I love the tank in the Concept art. It-¦s so much better than the present Caldari Tank. P.S. Bottom left corner. Also fighter looks great as well. Amarr Victor
Haerr 1997	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:20:00 - [7] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I hadn't actually seen that video. I get the impression though that higher velocity fighters would require much larger battlegrounds than we have now. And I wonder how AV would work with them. Good luck getting a swarm lock on that. that is an excellent idea! the maps are more than large enough to accomodate larger battlegrounds, and pushing the redline back sufficiently would hopefully reduce the effect that redline snipers and redline vehicles play can have when the redline is in close proximity to the objectives +1 fighter jets
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4803	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Haerr, with 16 players, larger maps would make for a worse play experience. As it is, our maps often feel way too large and expansive for the size of battle taking place on them. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4649	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:24:00 - [9] - Quote Anyone notice the nanite injector... it looks pretty caldari (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Haerr 1997	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:29:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Haerr, with 16 players, larger maps would make for a worse play experience. As it is, our maps often feel way too large and expansive for the size of battle taking place on them. Well you say that but having 16v16 vehicle fights in dust would be pretty epic! As it is now the placement of objectives and the design of the complexes leaves a lot to wanted from vehicle play. We even have a game mode that completely disallows vehicle play. Is there really something wrong in wanting a battleground/game mode where the focus is on vehicle play? fighter jets

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4804	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:30:00 - [11] - Quote Since vehicles have few or no well-defined gameplay roles, and were probably added to the game solely because they "looked cool"? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1001	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:38:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Since vehicles have few or no well-defined gameplay roles, and were probably added to the game solely because they "looked cool"? Would it not be more accurate as, " we wanted to do all the things we promised (like the originally advertised 24v24) but are incapable of doing so... but keep giving us your money and we'll do something like it on PC"? Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Haerr 2000	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:43:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Since vehicles have few or no well-defined gameplay roles, and were probably added to the game solely because they "looked cool"? Is the problem for more vehicle/vehicle variants being added to the game that they would have to fit into a 16v16 infantry shooter or is that there currently are no game modes/gameplay designed specifically to cater to vehicle play? If Dust has no capability of supporting game mode(s) that cater (ever so slightly) to vehicle play then the subject of vehicles is pretty much closed. (For me that is.) If there were game modes specifically for infantry play, vehicle play, and combined play, would that help or would that be a wasted effort because of PS3+UE3 related performance concerns or time constraints? fighter jets
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 831	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:59:00 - [14] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I hadn't actually seen that video. I get the impression though that higher velocity fighters would require much larger battlegrounds than we have now. And I wonder how AV would work with them. Good luck getting a swarm lock on that. Those types of vehicles (fighters, MAVs, etc) have no place in the current game. Hopefully in Legion. Much bigger maps and 64 vs 64 (ok 32 vs 32?), then this type of vehicle play will come into it's own. Oh, and forget swarms. You would hopefully be introducing a whole new set of new and more varied AV weapons. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Operative 2571 Aajli Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:22:00 - [15] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Since vehicles have few or no well-defined gameplay roles, and were probably added to the game solely because they "looked cool"? Would it not be more accurate as, " we wanted to do all the things we promised (like the originally advertised 24v24) but are incapable of doing so... but keep giving us your money and we'll do something like it on PC"? Lol, more like "Vehicles have their roles, but we don't know how to design a proper geound combat game and instead just gave up and made an arena rumble playground game. Here, here's a cloak. Easy mode infantry and done." LEGION.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4805	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:26:00 - [16] - Quote Haerr wrote: Is the problem for more vehicle/vehicle variants being added to the game that they would have to fit into a 16v16 infantry shooter or is that there currently are no game modes/gameplay designed specifically to cater to vehicle play? If Dust has no capability of supporting game mode(s) that cater (ever so slightly) to vehicle play then the subject of vehicles is pretty much closed. (For me that is.) If there were game modes specifically for infantry play, vehicle play, and combined play, would that help or would that be a wasted effort because of PS3+UE3 related performance concerns or time constraints? I would say more vehicles/vehicle variants require that vehicles have defined gameplay roles. And that really doesn't have anything to do with match size. (Except for maybe fighters, because they move too fast, but there's a whole lot of technical reasons I doubt we'll ever seen those.) But vehicles do need to fit into the game we have, not fit into the game we want someday. I don't know if you'd ever see a vehicles only game mode, because I am not even sure how that would work in a game where everyone can get in and out of their vehicles. I suppose you could do a Titanfall-esque "Last Vehicle Standing" mode, where everyone spawns in a tank or something (and you could get out, but it'd be dumb), and there's no respawns, but that's not very New Eden-y, and you'd need some sort of fit selection at spawn for vehicles. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 398	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:13:00 - [17] - Quote Small blasters. They need to be good. So good that they are the best way to kill infantry. The primary tactic for controlling a outside area of the map should be to get a tank, some small blasters, some gunners, and murder everyone. It would then be extremely important that you have superior large turret capability on your team to stop the enemy from bringing their small blasters to bear.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5073	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:40:00 - [18] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Haerr wrote: Is the problem for more vehicle/vehicle variants being added to the game that they would have to fit into a 16v16 infantry shooter or is that there currently are no game modes/gameplay designed specifically to cater to vehicle play? If Dust has no capability of supporting game mode(s) that cater (ever so slightly) to vehicle play then the subject of vehicles is pretty much closed. (For me that is.) If there were game modes specifically for infantry play, vehicle play, and combined play, would that help or would that be a wasted effort because of PS3+UE3 related performance concerns or time constraints? I would say more vehicles/vehicle variants require that vehicles have defined gameplay roles. And that really doesn't have anything to do with match size. (Except for maybe fighters, because they move too fast, but there's a whole lot of technical reasons I doubt we'll ever seen those.) But vehicles do need to fit into the game we have, not fit into the game we want someday. I don't know if you'd ever see a vehicles only game mode, because I am not even sure how that would work in a game where everyone can get in and out of their vehicles. I suppose you could do a Titanfall-esque "Last Vehicle Standing" mode, where everyone spawns in a tank or something (and you could get out, but it'd be dumb), and there's no respawns, but that's not very New Eden-y, and you'd need some sort of fit selection at spawn for vehicles. Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Haerr 2005	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:04:00 - [19] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Haerr wrote: Is the problem for more vehicle/vehicle variants being added to the game that they would have to fit into a 16v16 infantry shooter or is that there currently are no game modes/gameplay designed specifically to cater to vehicle play? If Dust has no capability of supporting game mode(s) that cater (ever so slightly) to vehicle play then the subject of vehicles is pretty much closed. (For me that is.) If there were game modes specifically for infantry play, vehicle play, and combined play, would that help or would that be a wasted effort because of PS3+UE3 related performance concerns or time constraints? I would say more vehicles/vehicle variants require that vehicles have defined gameplay roles. And that really doesn't have anything to do with match size. (Except for maybe fighters, because they move too fast, but there's a whole lot of technical reasons I doubt we'll ever seen those.) But vehicles do need to fit into the game we have, not fit into the game we want someday. I don't know if you'd ever see a vehicles only game mode, because I am not even sure how that would work in a game where everyone can get in and out of their vehicles. I suppose you could do a Titanfall-esque "Last Vehicle Standing" mode, where everyone spawns in a tank or something (and you could get out, but it'd be dumb), and there's no respawns, but that's not very New Eden-y, and you'd need some sort of fit selection at spawn for vehicles. Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now. Skirmish where the null cannons are only capturable by vehicles. It can be done, just play the hypothetical game and remove/change one variable at the time to see how the game would play. (In this case, how would Dust play out if Infantry had to rely on vehicles instead of vice versa in a game mode.) fighter jets
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5077	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:10:00 - [20] - Quote Haerr wrote: Skirmish where the null cannons are only capturable by vehicles. It can be done, just play the hypothetical game and remove/change one variable at the time to see how the game would play. (In this case, how would Dust play out if Infantry had to rely on vehicles instead of vice versa in a game mode.) Skirmish with 6 destructible Null Cannons, in the open, per team, no hacking. Blow up the MCC or destroy all the enemy Null Cannons to win. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5949	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:12:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I hadn't actually seen that video. I get the impression though that higher velocity fighters would require much larger battlegrounds than we have now. And I wonder how AV would work with them. Good luck getting a swarm lock on that. Does the military use weaponry that small against jets? No. This would be a job for large turrets and other jets. pé¦pé½péªpâêpü»püäpüäpüêpéÆF¿Çpüúpüƒn+ƒ pü»püäpéÆF¿Çpüúpüªpâ¬péñpâòpâ½n+ü
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4808	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:52:00 - [22] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now. Why would you want to reintroduce a game mode setting that has been universally accepted as completely terrible? o_o CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5082	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:09:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now. Why would you want to reintroduce a game mode setting that has been universally accepted as completely terrible? o_o It was considered completely terrible by non AV infantry. Allowing non AV infantry the ability to avoid it like the plague is a mandatory part of making this game mode successful. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14998	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:20:00 - [24] - Quote Isa Lucifer wrote: I love the tank in the Concept art. It-¦s so much better than the present Caldari Tank. P.S. Bottom left corner. Also fighter looks great as well. Yup that's a MBT I could get behind. Our HAV just looking at them are compressed and ...... whereas having spent a lot of time and one too many vacations out to Normandy remember most Tanks to be almost twice my height especially the large Infantry Tanks like the Cromwell and the Tiger. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14998	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:22:00 - [25] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Just make a separate Ambush mode without vehicle limits. Then only Pilots and AV would chose that game mode. You need to be able to chose though. It can't be random and force people in like the Ambush/Ambush OMS we have now. Why would you want to reintroduce a game mode setting that has been universally accepted as completely terrible? o_o It was considered completely terrible by non AV infantry. Allowing non AV infantry the ability to avoid it like the plague is a mandatory part of making this game mode successful. Why the hell would I as a vehicle player want to engage in this mode. Vehicle Balance is garbage. Armour Tanks would be alpha'd off the map instantly, ADS would reign supreme with no effort, and Jihad LAV would ******* ruin the ground game meaning that that only viable HAV is a spiked or sponge Gunlogi......... I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1998	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:24:00 - [26] - Quote Forget the fighter did you see that water!!!!! Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 38	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:26:00 - [27] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I hadn't actually seen that video. I get the impression though that higher velocity fighters would require much larger battlegrounds than we have now. And I wonder how AV would work with them. Good luck getting a swarm lock on that. Come on Minmatar AAA Tanks! I sense good things if this were to be true. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.


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