DUST Search - Sticky:[Feedback] Bundled ISK fits for New Players

Piercing Serenity wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

I think, if this is to help newbros out, then we shouldn't expect them to have 1,3,5 on their cores, note that some people play and spread their SP literally all over the place, gathering all the lv1's because they don't want to wait for lv2s, and so on and so forth.

By the time they hit a Prototype suit, they should have near lv3 on all cores, so I would start there. People JUST starting out on the other hand, might start skilling into Assaults and lv2 in their weapon before even looking at cores: Remember, these people came from COD and other games, where the gun makes the fit. Even TF2/Tribes, the suit is 99% of your role, the rest is just optimizations within that role.

My proposed "Core skill" requirement for the bundled ISK fits would be 0 for standard fits, 1/2 for Advanced fits, and 3/4 for Prototype.

This way it's not a quick throwtogether suit made for Vets only at the upper end.

I think that the purpose of these types of fittings depends on their long term goal. The fits that I designed were focused on getting new players acclimated to the idea that core-skills were the most important. I think that it would suck for a new player to skill into a suit that was not competitive because it was an easy switch-in from the COD family.

Personally, I think that these suits need to reflect the type of mentality you need to have for DUST. If a new player would like to forgo that advice and build their suit their own way - more power to them. But we should have the "correct" way to spend your SP listed out for those who chose to listen, because the grind is hard enough as it is


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Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2303	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:06:00 - [1] - Quote I think, if this is to help newbros out, then we shouldn't expect them to have 1,3,5 on their cores, note that some people play and spread their SP literally all over the place, gathering all the lv1's because they don't want to wait for lv2s, and so on and so forth. By the time they hit a Prototype suit, they should have near lv3 on all cores, so I would start there. People JUST starting out on the other hand, might start skilling into Assaults and lv2 in their weapon before even looking at cores: Remember, these people came from COD and other games, where the gun makes the fit. Even TF2/Tribes, the suit is 99% of your role, the rest is just optimizations within that role. My proposed "Core skill" requirement for the bundled ISK fits would be 0 for standard fits, 1/2 for Advanced fits, and 3/4 for Prototype. This way it's not a quick throwtogether suit made for Vets only at the upper end. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2305	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: I think, if this is to help newbros out, then we shouldn't expect them to have 1,3,5 on their cores, note that some people play and spread their SP literally all over the place, gathering all the lv1's because they don't want to wait for lv2s, and so on and so forth. By the time they hit a Prototype suit, they should have near lv3 on all cores, so I would start there. People JUST starting out on the other hand, might start skilling into Assaults and lv2 in their weapon before even looking at cores: Remember, these people came from COD and other games, where the gun makes the fit. Even TF2/Tribes, the suit is 99% of your role, the rest is just optimizations within that role. My proposed "Core skill" requirement for the bundled ISK fits would be 0 for standard fits, 1/2 for Advanced fits, and 3/4 for Prototype. This way it's not a quick throwtogether suit made for Vets only at the upper end. I think that the purpose of these types of fittings depends on their long term goal. The fits that I designed were focused on getting new players acclimated to the idea that core-skills were the most important. I think that it would suck for a new player to skill into a suit that was not competitive because it was an easy switch-in from the COD family. Personally, I think that these suits need to reflect the type of mentality you need to have for DUST. If a new player would like to forgo that advice and build their suit their own way - more power to them. But we should have the "correct" way to spend your SP listed out for those who chose to listen, because the grind is hard enough as it is I guess that makes sense, wouldn't want the newbies to be thinking cores aren't super important. Would there then also be Militia tier ISK fits designed with 0 cores in mind? For example a Militia Minmatar Light that has a Combat Rifle and Knives with maybe 1 additional module.(forget how much space they have) Also possible is the fact that some roles can have lots(LOTS) of different fittings, for example a Minmatar Scout would have a full damp fit, a hybrid scanning/damp fit, a kincatted to all hell fit, and then your light assault with 2 reactives and 2 extenders. Or are we just going to throw basic fittings out there to say "This is what you are aiming for, and this is the only fitting we will supply" So similar to the APEX suits? General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2306	Posted - 2014.11.28 07:54:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah I can see where that's coming from now, I thought of "Help NPE" and immediately went for "Noob Friendly fits" or "Cater to the CoD noobs" Which I wouldn't have minded, but this is a lot more elegant. Teach them the ways of the DUST. Although I am curious as to how a person would RP build a CoD fitting... Cardiacs and damage mods out the bum I assume. Dear god that would be a terrible fitting... General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'

-BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse.

-BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse.

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