DUST Search - Request For Major Scout Changes !

JIAF-PR wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

JIAF-PR wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:

For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless.

Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ?

and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry.

This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again.

The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances.

In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots).

As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus.

Now all 4 scouts have roles.

Why the GalScout have a profile bonus if he has 4 lowslots for it?, if we use the same logic used for CalScout.

Because that is their original/Lore bonus.

They actually had a greater Dampening bonus before Charlie, which was nerfed because they could tank even more than they can now.

I know, before of Charlie was 5% per level; but you don't think 3% per level is too much for a suit with 4 lowslots?

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Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote I recently skilled into the Amarr scout and the Proto-shotgun. Although I've heard it's not necessary to use proto I used it anyways. The problem here is not the Scout but the weapons they use. The Shotgun can kill anything and anyone. Coming from someone who just skilled into it and I don't even have Prof 1. The Shotgun: I say to balance the Shotguns to where Using The Proto Shotgun would be worth using. Meaning nerf the tiers and work from the ground up. The CreDron Shotgun currently utilizes 8 rounds. Making all the breach variants useless. I've tested this and I can say that the CreDron is far more superior. As you get the confidence of the 8 rounds and the Damage of taking your enemy down as opposed to two. My first Scout game I went 32 / 4 and every game after that it's always 19 kills and up. The Scout Bonuses: As I've noticed when determining which scout to skill into, the Bonuses are completely off. For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.11.23 22:53:00 - [2] - Quote You're not really requesting anything, it's more of a laundry list of rhetorical questions that have no clear answer... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote a ShotGun Nerf. Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
Dingleburt Bangledack 331	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote No matter what the reason may be, no matter who's idea it was, if my Minja loses it's Knife bonus, It's YOUR head I'll be putting on a pike.
JIAF-PR 121	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:11:00 - [5] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: [...] For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. [...] and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. GalScout is 2% Precision and 3% Profile. I'm a MinScout and I like the NK bonus, but I think exactly the same above it (about the logic). "Los grandes no son grandes sino porque estamos de rodillas. Levantémonos" GÇô Pedro Albizu Campos
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6132	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:35:00 - [6] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again. The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances. In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots). As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus. Now all 4 scouts have roles. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:36:00 - [7] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: a ShotGun Nerf. Hey could you give concrete evidence that the shotgun needs a nerf...It seems that anyone can say something is OP, but as always people can't give evidence to prove said statements... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Can I haz ur isk?
JIAF-PR 122	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:56:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again. The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances. In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots). As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus. Now all 4 scouts have roles. Why the GalScout have a profile bonus if he has 4 lowslots for it?, if we use the same logic used for CalScout. "Los grandes no son grandes sino porque estamos de rodillas. Levantémonos" GÇô Pedro Albizu Campos
Billy Jr Damaged Beyond Repair 39	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:57:00 - [9] - Quote Ah, you're funny. You will NOT take my Minmitar Scout's bonus to Nova Knives, Caldari weapons or not. Unless you want to come up with a better bonus or go design a pair of rusty knives that are useable within Dust without another patch.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6134	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:07:00 - [10] - Quote JIAF-PR wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again. The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances. In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots). As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus. Now all 4 scouts have roles. Why the GalScout have a profile bonus if he has 4 lowslots for it?, if we use the same logic used for CalScout. Because that is their original/Lore bonus. They actually had a greater Dampening bonus before Charlie, which was nerfed because they could tank even more than they can now. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

JIAF-PR 122	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:11:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: JIAF-PR wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again. The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances. In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots). As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus. Now all 4 scouts have roles. Why the GalScout have a profile bonus if he has 4 lowslots for it?, if we use the same logic used for CalScout. Because that is their original/Lore bonus. They actually had a greater Dampening bonus before Charlie, which was nerfed because they could tank even more than they can now. I know, before of Charlie was 5% per level; but you don't think 3% per level is too much for a suit with 4 lowslots? "Los grandes no son grandes sino porque estamos de rodillas. Levantémonos" GÇô Pedro Albizu Campos
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1095	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:36:00 - [12] - Quote Get back in your tank, noob.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:03:00 - [13] - Quote I got my vehicles back !! Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:05:00 - [14] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: a ShotGun Nerf. Hey could you give concrete evidence that the shotgun needs a nerf...It seems that anyone can say something is OP, but as always people can't give evidence to prove said statements... You want proof ? Let me catch your ass in a match then. i'll give you your proof and you'll give me +50 Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 63	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:14:00 - [15] - Quote Well, the Breach SG is not useless only because it is weak relative to the base variant. The Br SG's main problem is that it lacks the ability to kill anything that decides to fight back. The little Min with the little voice.
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 06:55:00 - [16] - Quote The bonuses in most cases are to offset the slot layouts of the race. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 136	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:51:00 - [17] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: I recently skilled into the Amarr scout and the Proto-shotgun. Although I've heard it's not necessary to use proto I used it anyways. The problem here is not the Scout but the weapons they use. The Shotgun can kill anything and anyone. Coming from someone who just skilled into it and I don't even have Prof 1. The Shotgun: I say to balance the Shotguns to where Using The Proto Shotgun would be worth using. Meaning nerf the tiers and work from the ground up. The CreDron Shotgun currently utilizes 8 rounds. Making all the breach variants useless. I've tested this and I can say that the CreDron is far more superior. As you get the confidence of the 8 rounds and the Damage of taking your enemy down as opposed to two. My first Scout game I went 32 / 4 and every game after that it's always 19 kills and up. The Scout Bonuses: As I've noticed when determining which scout to skill into, the Bonuses are completely off. For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. I've always felt that shotguns had no noticeable damage progression. The Gallente precision bonus helps scan poorly dampened min/amarr scouts. If it were up to me, I'd swap the cal and gal scouts bonuses. And I would give the min scout a melee bonus instead of knives because they're caldari knives.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:44:00 - [18] - Quote Bump because SG are OP ! Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6153	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:36:00 - [19] - Quote JIAF-PR wrote: One Eyed King wrote: JIAF-PR wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: For One Why does Ammar get 5% Precision and Stamina when Gallente gets 3% Precision and 5% Damps ? Why not just make the Gal just Damps ? It's utterly useless. Secondly why does Caldari get 10% Range and 3% Profile ? and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. This has been gone over many times before, but I will go over it again. The reason was that prior to Charlie, when Cal Scouts and Gal Scouts were very OP and were the only scouts being used, those were the best bonuses that could be arranged given the circumstances. In order for Cal to be able to properly Dampen, given only 2 Low Slots, they needed the bonus. Same thing goes for Precision on Gal Scouts (Only 2 High Slots). As for Amarr, they needed a purpose. If Caldari kept their precision bonus, with having 4 High Slots, it would be a pain to have to balance around, so they took the Precision bonus and gave them to the Amarr. Then let the Cal keep the Range, in addition to the Dampening bonus. Now all 4 scouts have roles. Why the GalScout have a profile bonus if he has 4 lowslots for it?, if we use the same logic used for CalScout. Because that is their original/Lore bonus. They actually had a greater Dampening bonus before Charlie, which was nerfed because they could tank even more than they can now. I know, before of Charlie was 5% per level; but you don't think 3% per level is too much for a suit with 4 lowslots? I do think that passive bonuses should go to module efficacy so that they need to fit them in order to get the bonuses. I think that will be helpful for balancing the Gal scout. A shuffling of modules would also be nice, but from what we have heard from Rattati regarding the difficulty of trying to move Code Breakers to High Slot, that probably won't be happening in the near future. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 625	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:43:00 - [20] - Quote All anti-infantry weapons have arguably nominal damage differences between tiers, I don't see why the shotgun should be special in this regard. Shotgun is pretty useless at any range except close. It would be like saying the standard/militia sniper rifle should do far less damage then the prototype which it doesn't... likewise turning shotguns below proto into useless weapons won't fix scout cloak play, scout will just spam more ACR/ScR then.

Finn Colman Immortal Guides 64	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:00:00 - [21] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: All anti-infantry weapons have arguably nominal damage differences between tiers, I don't see why the shotgun should be special in this regard. Shotgun is pretty useless at any range except close. It would be like saying the standard/militia sniper rifle should do far less damage then the prototype which it doesn't... likewise turning shotguns below proto into useless weapons won't fix scout cloak play, scout will just spam more ACR/ScR then. More so than ever scout play is mostly reliant on playing against poorly coordinated players. If you hear a shotgun go off you should look around that's what I do. Biggest problem with shotguns is that 3 blueberries will stand there next to a shotgun scout not paying attention to the audio cues around them. I think cloaks would also become much less dangerous if they didn't make the same noise that spawning and your shields fully recharging makes. If it had a distinct noise instead of a placeholder noise it would be easier to identify. Only way to fix scouts is to either remove them or buff situational awareness of players through audio cues when it comes to cloaks and shotguns/knives. the real issue is the shoddy hit detection that light suits have when sprinting around. All dem shield flares and armor flashes for 0 damage are annoying. Yes, better audio cues would help greatly, I often turn around just to see that it was a blueberry spawning behind me. The little Min with the little voice.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 421	Posted - 2014.11.25 02:20:00 - [22] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: a ShotGun Nerf. Hey could you give concrete evidence that the shotgun needs a nerf...It seems that anyone can say something is OP, but as always people can't give evidence to prove said statements... You want proof ? Let me catch your ass in a match then. i'll give you your proof and you'll give me +50 Hey, I killed a bunch of people with my plc pre-buffs. That didn't make it op. Also Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Can I haz ur isk?
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 222	Posted - 2014.11.26 00:39:00 - [23] - Quote bump 4 nerf Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 222	Posted - 2014.11.26 21:10:00 - [24] - Quote Shotty needs a Nerf Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10319	Posted - 2014.11.26 21:15:00 - [25] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: and Thirdly, Minmitar should not get the Nova Knife Bonus. as The Nova Knife is Caldari Weaponry. I will only except this under one condition. That the remaining racial knives like the Gallente Hook Knife, Amarr Sword, and Minmatar Prison Shiv are released in the next major update. Until then, the Minmatar scout should continue with its bonus to nova knives. This is NOT NEGOTIABLE. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 222	Posted - 2014.11.26 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote I'd like that idea just as well, it would give me something to put on my Amarr Scout. Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Logi


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