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Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 09:00:00 - [1] - Quote Hello. You not have to remove idle bots from battles, only make this small change: 0 WP => 0 SP and 0 ISK/LP and bots run away :) Normal players cannot enter to battle and fight, because bots ocupied all slots! Please, make this small change: 0 WP -> 0 SP... dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 09:53:00 - [2] - Quote ... about 80 minutes, with full squad, and Scotty can not find the FW battle! ... dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5242	Posted - 2014.11.22 10:52:00 - [3] - Quote How does this not punish battle academy newbies? I've seen new players get nothing but murdered nonstop by a protostomp. They were in the field and they were trying to fight. But they zeroed out because of a nyain san stomp or because there are no tutorials that explain that the pink fatsuit run by the guy marked "goonfeet" has three times their HP and firepower. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:09:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: How does this not punish battle academy newbies? I've seen new players get nothing but murdered nonstop by a protostomp. They were in the field and they were trying to fight. But they zeroed out because of a nyain san stomp or because there are no tutorials that explain that the pink fatsuit run by the guy marked "goonfeet" has three times their HP and firepower. They have point from assist :) not have to kill, only fire directly to enemy ;) And, Academy role is to learn, no stay on redline and get SP/ISK. Now academy learn that :( dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 340	Posted - 2014.11.22 15:09:00 - [5] - Quote Only if you had 0 WP would you not receive any rewards. If you had just 1WP you would receive rewards. Right? That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 15:35:00 - [6] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Only if you had 0 WP would you not receive any rewards. If you had just 1WP you would receive rewards. Right? Yes, but proprcional ;) Ex. for 2 players: 1. 800 WP 2. 200 WP First get 80%, second 20% for rewards. dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 341	Posted - 2014.11.22 15:40:00 - [7] - Quote Aderek wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Only if you had 0 WP would you not receive any rewards. If you had just 1WP you would receive rewards. Right? Yes, but proprcional ;) Ex. for 2 players: 1. 800 WP 2. 200 WP First get 80%, second 20% for rewards. So if I get 3000 WP I'd get 300% rewards? That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 114	Posted - 2014.11.22 16:27:00 - [8] - Quote This is just a stupid idea. If I get face stomped then I won't get SP. Only if I get an assist. Believe me, I've had games where I went 0/14 with 0 SP. This is just to simplistic. Maybe if you go 0/0 with 0 damage dealt and 0 SP, then maybe...
Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 16:56:00 - [9] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Aderek wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Only if you had 0 WP would you not receive any rewards. If you had just 1WP you would receive rewards. Right? Yes, but proprcional ;) Ex. for 2 players: 1. 800 WP 2. 200 WP First get 80%, second 20% for rewards. So if I get 3000 WP I'd get 300% rewards? Go to school man ;) dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Aderek Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 97	Posted - 2014.11.22 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: This is just a stupid idea. If I get face stomped then I won't get SP. Only if I get an assist. Believe me, I've had games where I went 0/14 with 0 SP. This is just to simplistic. Maybe if you go 0/0 with 0 damage dealt and 0 SP, then maybe... You allways can make WP: kill asist, heal, destroy uplinks, skaning, etc, etc, etc. If you make asist, you make WP. dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks

Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 306	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:29:00 - [11] - Quote To all those who say "But when I'm getting **** by nyain squads/proto squads, I can't get WP" LEARN TO PLAY. Yes I get stomped sometimes, playing against some players makes me lag like hell, and some other never takes damage. But I always manage to have some 300-400 WP at least. There are so many ways to make WP that you dont need to kill for it. Hack stuff arround, put uplinks, rep your buddies, runaway from the stompers as much as you can. If you do it well you'll do WP. If it really sucks and you get spawn killed --> Leave the battle and play a new one. It's just the sad truth. Players who do 0 WP in battle don't deserve any SP/ISK/LP. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 237	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:54:00 - [12] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Players who do 0 WP in battle don't deserve any SP/ISK/LP. Not going to happen - just relax bro
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 308	Posted - 2014.11.23 12:09:00 - [13] - Quote Orber Gen wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Players who do 0 WP in battle don't deserve any SP/ISK/LP. Not going to happen - just relax bro I hate AFKers using a false "new player" argument to keep on AFKing and ruin battles. Drives me insane. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4691	Posted - 2014.11.23 12:40:00 - [14] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Orber Gen wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Players who do 0 WP in battle don't deserve any SP/ISK/LP. Not going to happen - just relax bro I hate AFKers using a false "new player" argument to keep on AFKing and ruin battles. Drives me insane. It's not a false argument, and it's nowhere near as foolish or selfish as "well they should just quit when getting stomped" Who dafuq does that help? How about if you make it so that only people with zeros everywhere don't get rewards? Meaning you don't need to get WP, but if you at least get 1 assist or even get killed, you get payout as normal, because yes, anyone can go in and get spawncamped, so new players will not be affected but AFKers will. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 308	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:16:00 - [15] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Orber Gen wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Players who do 0 WP in battle don't deserve any SP/ISK/LP. Not going to happen - just relax bro I hate AFKers using a false "new player" argument to keep on AFKing and ruin battles. Drives me insane. It's not a false argument, and it's nowhere near as foolish or selfish as "well they should just quit when getting stomped" Who dafuq does that help? How about if you make it so that only people with zeros everywhere don't get rewards? Meaning you don't need to get WP, but if you at least get 1 assist or even get killed, you get payout as normal, because yes, anyone can go in and get spawncamped, so new players will not be affected but AFKers will. Some afker dont camp on mcc, they just dont play and get killed without carring about KDR. Your technique wouldn't help. It is a false argument tho, even as a brand new player ANYBODY can manage to do 1 WP. Just destroy an equipment and you'll get 5 WP. When I get stomped from the very beggining of the battle I leave. And many does. When the battle is unbalanved from the very beggining there is no fun in playing so I dont lose time with useless fights. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 99	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:17:00 - [16] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: or even get killed, you get payout as normal, because yes, anyone can go in and get spawncamped, so new players will not be affected but AFKers will. Sorry, but no. I many times was see that full squad enter into FW battles, kill themselfs by remotes (15-17 times per match) and destroyed about 60-80 clones per battle! So, battle was lost, they have only themselfs deats and ... they get about 100-300 LP for lost battle.... So, 0 WP => 0 SP/ISK/LP dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5262	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:24:00 - [17] - Quote Na can't support this as it makes no difference to new players why they're getting torched. Punishing them because other douchebags awox matches is bad design EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3460	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:44:00 - [18] - Quote I agree with the OP except one minor change. Reward 0/0 (K/D), 0 wps with 0 ISK and 0 sp. That way, even if you're bad and stupid but trying, you can still get rewards. But players will get an assist or hack the homepoint and then AFK. But still better than the current. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3460	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:48:00 - [19] - Quote Better yet...put a time allocated for someone to be in the redline for the entire game. But then CCP will have to do something about ADS pilots > Check RND out here
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2341	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:10:00 - [20] - Quote This is why i like asymmetrical WP payouts for struggling(measured by meta or sp spent if the player is too new to have a statistically reliable meta). In cases where players got Scottied right up the kittenhole, the meta differential would compensate by multiplying the WP for assists or kills. So if you can tag one of those Nyain guys with some damage before they're killed, your assist is +125 WP or +175 say, depending on the difference between you mu scores. The guy who gets the kill might get +300WP if the meta gap is big enough. Same multiplier for kills ofc. High meta players still get their +50WP for a kill and +25WP for an assist, but low meta players get rewarded for taking down those veteran monsters who in reality prolly represent 5 or 10 times the 'battlespace power' than a low meta noob does. The differential payouts would keep some new peeps in a mismatch for the juicy WP/ISK rewards. For a candidate multiplier i'd start with something like the log ratio of respective player meta's. PSN: RationalSpark

Iria Gren Liquid Swords 12	Posted - 2014.11.23 21:49:00 - [21] - Quote I am scurb as hell last night i when 0/14 in a ambush you know what i got 62 wp 2 ka for 25 and 25 and one ha for 12 you cant get stomped flat enough to not get at least 5 wp
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 309	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:00:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Na can't support this as it makes no difference to new players why they're getting torched. Punishing them because other douchebags awox matches is bad design Did you even read what was said before? Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:24:00 - [23] - Quote Your arguments for 0 WP = 0 SP would be valid IF you could positively differentiate between an AFK'er and a totally new player. Scrub does not equate. I'm telling you man, my first match I spent the match trying to shoot down the MCC. I was totally and completely clueless, saw someone else doing it and figured that must be what we're doing, lol. KDR - Kill Die Repeat
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 100	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:04:00 - [24] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Your arguments for 0 WP = 0 SP would be valid IF you could positively differentiate between an AFK'er and a totally new player. Scrub does not equate. I'm telling you man, my first match I spent the match trying to shoot down the MCC. I was totally and completely clueless, saw someone else doing it and figured that must be what we're doing, lol. In my first match i was shooting to MCC too :) but, my SI was learn ;) dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5072	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:45:00 - [25] - Quote Aderek wrote: Hello. You not have to remove idle bots from battles, only make this small change: 0 WP => 0 SP and 0 ISK/LP and bots run away :) Normal players cannot enter to battle and fight, because bots ocupied all slots! Please, make this small change: 0 WP -> 0 SP... I like where you are coming from, but there is a flaw in your suggestion: Very New players will often get 0 WP because they don't know how to hack, they die before they have a chance to shoot back, and they don't know to kill equipment. If your suggestion is implemented AFK'ers will run out and hack one installation before they go AFK. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 100	Posted - 2014.11.25 12:55:00 - [26] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Very New players will often get 0 WP because they don't know how to hack, they die before they have a chance to shoot back, and they don't know to kill equipment. Yes, they have to learn how to play. Maybe after battle system must send help ticket if he get 0WP. This is academy time. dust514.pl MM proto logi Proto Asalut R, Sniper R, Mass D,Missle L,Rail R All types of dropships All types of tanks
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 241	Posted - 2014.11.25 14:09:00 - [27] - Quote To fix AFK CCP should FIX THE GAME But they can't, for them, It's like choosing between bad and very bad decigions So everyone may relax, nothing going to happen While we have 750k cap, AFKers will be the only one, who gets full limit without any troubles As I sad - AFK is reaction to CCP actions, AFK here since open beta and only now it causes buthurt
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 66	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:24:00 - [28] - Quote Is there a way of defining combat zones (i.e. zones near enemies/objectives, or if possible areas where fighting happened a lot on the map)? This could be defined as combat participation, similarly to what is done in War Thunder. I would suggest giving 0 SP/ISK/LP for a combination of 00:00 combat participation time and 0 WP. I think that it is rare for anyone who is even trying to contribute to the team to go a match without getting any of either of these. Even if you are getting stomped you are still most likely within a combat zone (aside from being AFK/a redline sniper). I know that War Thunder gives better rewards for higher combat engagement time, so why can't Dust? The little Min with the little voice.
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 244	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:35:00 - [29] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: Is there a way of defining combat zones (i.e. zones near enemies/objectives, or if possible areas where fighting happened a lot on the map)? It's called "red line" Finn Colman wrote: This could be defined as combat participation, similarly to what is done in War Thunder. I would suggest giving 0 SP/ISK/LP for a combination of 00:00 combat participation time and 0 WP. I think that it is rare for anyone who is even trying to contribute to the team to go a match without getting any of either of these. Even if you are getting stomped you are still most likely within a combat zone (aside from being AFK/a redline sniper). Solves nothing - I tell my friends "Lets get some WP!" then i get full stack of 32 players one side for amarr, second for minmatar, then we open FW only for us and getting aroud [insane amout] WP per match for each player Finn Colman wrote: I know that War Thunder gives better rewards for higher combat engagement time, so why can't Dust? Because CCP just can't do it, they prove this by delivering 2013 old content (patch 1.9)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2312	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:36:00 - [30] - Quote I can understand why SP might want to be awarded via participation (i.e. newer players aren't squeezed out). However, I think ISK should be reserved for those who do the fighting (i.e. WP). If I were in charge, I'd award ISK as follows: Winning team gets 2/3, losing team gets 1/3. #1 player gets 16 shares. #2 players gets 15 shares. ... #15 player gets 2 shares. #16 player gets 1 share.

Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 244	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:54:00 - [31] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I can understand why SP might want to be awarded via participation (i.e. newer players aren't squeezed out). However, I think ISK should be reserved for those who do the fighting (i.e. WP). If I were in charge, I'd award ISK as follows: Winning team gets 2/3, losing team gets 1/3. #1 player gets 16 shares. #2 players gets 15 shares. ... #15 player gets 2 shares. #16 player gets 1 share. AFK isn't about ISK - ISK isn't the issue. There is no problem to grind ISK AFK is about SP and SP only.


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