Someone told me the other day that I was officially the 2nd smartest person on the forums. You can have that spot if you aren't already the 1st.

Someone told me the other day that I was officially the 2nd smartest person on the forums. You can have that spot if you aren't already the 1st.

I wonder, you think we'd benefit from a good set price, then increase by in game play?

I'm sure no one likes getting 150k after a full match, or 80k after staying to turn a match around.(mid match deploy)

"If both sides are Proto and are trying their absolute hardest with their absolute best gear, then how can it be a stomp?"

Your argument is basically "Well, close fights require us to die a lot so we are just going to use Prototype gear so we don't die a lot because we don't make enough money to die a lot" despite the fact that if you were using a Basic suit and died 10 times you would likely spend less money than on 2 deaths with Proto gear. Even more so, going back to the original quote, if both sides have the same logic then you are going to naturally get close games using your logic that the reason it is a stomp is because of Prototype gear.

Or, put simply, "We are using the most expensive gear in the game so we can save money. Increase the money we earn in game and we won't use the most expensive gear in the game. Honest."

Part of the problem is payouts are dependent upon value of equipment destroyed.

It's quite frankly idiotic.

The only way to get good payouts is for the enemy to die in proto constantly, or for about a dozen fully fitted HAV and Dropships/ADS to die.

When I say fully fitted I mean running proto mods

"If both sides are Proto and are trying their absolute hardest with their absolute best gear, then how can it be a stomp?"

Your argument is basically "Well, close fights require us to die a lot so we are just going to use Prototype gear so we don't die a lot because we don't make enough money to die a lot" despite the fact that if you were using a Basic suit and died 10 times you would likely spend less money than on 2 deaths with Proto gear. Even more so, going back to the original quote, if both sides have the same logic then you are going to naturally get close games using your logic that the reason it is a stomp is because of Prototype gear.

Or, put simply, "We are using the most expensive gear in the game so we can save money. Increase the money we earn in game and we won't use the most expensive gear in the game. Honest."

The reason it is often a stomp is because matchmaking doesn't properly work in regards to squads. When it is myself solo against several squads when we have none, the enemy could be running all standard gear and the Blueberries and I running prototype or advanced and it wouldn't matter. Them working together, setting up proper defenses, and supporting each other is what would win the game. It doesn't exactly help the situation when people tend to use their most expensive fits when it squads because they are less likely to lose them.

I'm not following your arguement here.

Let's take a scenario.
It's a close match both teams are running PRO and dying regularly, the match payouts are 280-320K for the winning side and 200-250K for the loosing side. This covers the cost of 1, maybe 2 PRO suits. This is no help if you die 5 times.

If it's a close match and both teams are running ADV and dying regularly the match payouts are 220-280K for the winning side and 160-200K for the loosing side. This covers the cost of 4, maybe 5 ADV suits. This is no help if you die 10 times.

If it's a stomp and the wi ning side is running PRO and the loosing STD, the payouts are around 180-250K for the winners and 80-170K for the loosers. This covers thencost of about 10 STD suits for the loosers, which is no help if you die 15 times. Futhermore the stompers only cover the cost of 1 suit meaning they can't die at all.

As such public matches are only really profitable if you rarely die (by rarely partcipating) or if you run cheap ass suits in amgood match. The payouts currently encourage people not to take risks with their suits. The value of a suit degrades the second it jumps out the MCC.

It's bad business to participate in a match.

... That both sides have to die a lot.

Now don't get me wrong I love a close match, you can actually feel skilled at this game. But ISK payout doesn't support close matches and thus we have the proto stomp.

ISK payout does need increasing or at least reworked a little.


Or an out of the box theory, increase salvage to that of FW (then increase FW salvage above that). It would make people want to buy whats-her-name more ($$$).

Solution:
Isk reward from time spent in battle should be based on a very gradual exponential graph

What does that mean?

(example numbers, probably not practical)
10 minutes - 50k
12 minutes - 60k
14 minutes - 75k
16 minutes - 95k
18 minutes - 120k
20 minutes - 150k
22 minutes - 185k
24 minutes - 225k
26 minutes - 270k
28 minutes - 320k
30 minutes - 375k

The longer you spend in a battle, the more isk gained per minute. Long, drawn out battles where the objectives constantly flip end up with large rewards, while fast proto stomps that kill off all your clones get very little.

I honestly think that solutions like this would only cause people to AFK in matches. ISK payouts needs to be more active and less passive.

I recently afk a short ambush because my team got killed quick. I got 160k isk.

Its simple you get a flat rate and then add to it from the game. Skill equals larger ISK payout.

100K - starting a game from the beginning

20K a kill no matter gear. Bonus of 5K more for each kill over 10.

25K LAV kill. Bonus of 10K more for each kill over 3.

50K HAV kill. Bonus of 25K more for each kill after 1st.

bonus all players on winning side 50K, losing side 15K.

Anyone who has had no activity(red line) for longer that 5 minutes will be penalized 10K a minute. Timer resets after player leaves red line but player must do an action on play field for it to reset. Action is hack, kill, or assist.

Too much ISK goes to people who don't do crap, IMO.

Make the top 16 players get a share of the ISK proportional to one of the following:

Place on the leaderboard (16 shares for 1st place, 15 for 2nd.....1 for 16th)
WP (% of WP scored = % of salvage ISK granted)

Those are my proposals to incent players to actually try rather than AFK or redline snipe/tank or other equally useless behaviors. A major concern with it would be impelmentation details such that it doesn't break the economy or risk/reward system.

This has been a public service announcement. I wonder if CCP is listening?