DUST Search - I think we need to talk about the breach AR

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

At this point I think it's safe to say that it is the best performing plasma rifle overall, it works better then most other plasma rifles at there intended jobs(the only exception being the TAR which is able to perform medium range combat roles well)

Now i think nerfing the weapon in any meaningful way may cause it to go back to being a weapon that doesn't shine in any particular job. The problem I think here is that all the rifles are kind of in a state of flux since they were meant to be place holders for other rifles before the roles were filled.

So i do think the weapon needs tweaking but I also think it needs to shows the current state of ARs not performing well in any particular role. Not that they need a buff, not at all. It's just most everything out does them in pretty much any range.

The question still remains however, in the short term, what can be changed about the breach AR without actually making it worthless?

A smaller mag? Higher kick? Less range?

breach AR is NOT OP.. however if you put it on a gal assault with its ROF bonus THEN it becomes SRS Business (really powerful.. not quite OP.. would need a scope and longer range.. oh.. wait a minute.. didnt we have soemthing like that? yeah we did.. pre-nerf RR.)

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Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4118	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:40:00 - [1] - Quote At this point I think it's safe to say that it is the best performing plasma rifle overall, it works better then most other plasma rifles at there intended jobs(the only exception being the TAR which is able to perform medium range combat roles well) Now i think nerfing the weapon in any meaningful way may cause it to go back to being a weapon that doesn't shine in any particular job. The problem I think here is that all the rifles are kind of in a state of flux since they were meant to be place holders for other rifles before the roles were filled. So i do think the weapon needs tweaking but I also think it needs to shows the current state of ARs not performing well in any particular role. Not that they need a buff, not at all. It's just most everything out does them in pretty much any range. The question still remains however, in the short term, what can be changed about the breach AR without actually making it worthless? A smaller mag? Higher kick? Less range? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2244	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:12:00 - [2] - Quote If the numbers show it to be OP, I'd say fewer raw DPS or higher kick -- both would make it less effective.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1135	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:42:00 - [3] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If the numbers show it to be OP, I'd say fewer raw DPS or higher kick -- both would make it less effective. Higher kick done We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2244	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:51:00 - [4] - Quote FWIW, it's lack of kick and hipfire accuracy is what attracted me to it in the first place. It's lack of range is an easy hole to fill.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 456	Posted - 2014.11.21 06:31:00 - [5] - Quote if the breach AR were such an issue then why do I keep seeing rail and scrambler rifles more than the assault rifle. if people insist on still using the RR/SCR over the AR then there isn't an issue with the breach. they just don't like being beaten by a breach when their at 50 or less meters since there's still people out there who haven't gotten used to how deadly the AR really is when their in its range. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 48	Posted - 2014.11.21 08:18:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: At this point I think it's safe to say that it is the best performing plasma rifle overall, it works better then most other plasma rifles at there intended jobs(the only exception being the TAR which is able to perform medium range combat roles well) Now i think nerfing the weapon in any meaningful way may cause it to go back to being a weapon that doesn't shine in any particular job. The problem I think here is that all the rifles are kind of in a state of flux since they were meant to be place holders for other rifles before the roles were filled. So i do think the weapon needs tweaking but I also think it needs to shows the current state of ARs not performing well in any particular role. Not that they need a buff, not at all. It's just most everything out does them in pretty much any range. The question still remains however, in the short term, what can be changed about the breach AR without actually making it worthless? A smaller mag? Higher kick? Less range? How about you not touch a damn thing on it? Just move on and stop bringing this **** up.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1193	Posted - 2014.11.21 12:03:00 - [7] - Quote Lol at all the people "don't nerf my gun, waaaah". Anyway... Reduce magazine size to 32, and reduce carried ammo to 192. That would lower its damage per magazine down to more reasonable levels. 1792-1971 damage. And other automatic-type weapons have 5 magazines worth of ammo. Right now, the BrAR has 8.33 magazines worth of ammunition. There is no reason to equip a nanohive with this thing. I have more ammo issues with my Scrambler Rifle than I do a BrAR... That's insane. Please, make my Opus pretty...
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1262	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:56:00 - [8] - Quote as long as its not better than the rail rifle. rr needs to be the best breach when all the variants are finished. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2046	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:19:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: At this point I think it's safe to say that it is the best performing plasma rifle overall, it works better then most other plasma rifles at there intended jobs(the only exception being the TAR which is able to perform medium range combat roles well) Now i think nerfing the weapon in any meaningful way may cause it to go back to being a weapon that doesn't shine in any particular job. The problem I think here is that all the rifles are kind of in a state of flux since they were meant to be place holders for other rifles before the roles were filled. So i do think the weapon needs tweaking but I also think it needs to shows the current state of ARs not performing well in any particular role. Not that they need a buff, not at all. It's just most everything out does them in pretty much any range. The question still remains however, in the short term, what can be changed about the breach AR without actually making it worthless? A smaller mag? Higher kick? Less range? breach AR is NOT OP.. however if you put it on a gal assault with its ROF bonus THEN it becomes SRS Business (really powerful.. not quite OP.. would need a scope and longer range.. oh.. wait a minute.. didnt we have soemthing like that? yeah we did.. pre-nerf RR.) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1196	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: At this point I think it's safe to say that it is the best performing plasma rifle overall, it works better then most other plasma rifles at there intended jobs(the only exception being the TAR which is able to perform medium range combat roles well) Now i think nerfing the weapon in any meaningful way may cause it to go back to being a weapon that doesn't shine in any particular job. The problem I think here is that all the rifles are kind of in a state of flux since they were meant to be place holders for other rifles before the roles were filled. So i do think the weapon needs tweaking but I also think it needs to shows the current state of ARs not performing well in any particular role. Not that they need a buff, not at all. It's just most everything out does them in pretty much any range. The question still remains however, in the short term, what can be changed about the breach AR without actually making it worthless? A smaller mag? Higher kick? Less range? breach AR is NOT OP.. however if you put it on a gal assault with its ROF bonus THEN it becomes SRS Business (really powerful.. not quite OP.. would need a scope and longer range.. oh.. wait a minute.. didnt we have soemthing like that? yeah we did.. pre-nerf RR.) Apothecary Za'ki wrote: however if you put it on a gal assault with its ROF bonus THEN it becomes SRS Business Apothecary Za'ki wrote: put it on a gal assault with its ROF bonus Apothecary Za'ki wrote: gal assault...ROF bonus What?! Its stuff like this why nobody takes you seriously... Please, make my Opus pretty...

Myron Kundera The Generals 113	Posted - 2014.11.21 17:28:00 - [11] - Quote Lol at all the people that QQ "nerf the Breach AR, waaaah". Anyway... If a Lvl 5 Gallente Assault with AR Operation, SShoter and Proficiency 5 finds you in his optimal and you-¦re running shields as tank, you-¦re pretty much toast, BUT, if you-¦re not on its optimal, you WILL tear it to shreds (with an ACR for example); therefore, both weapons are working as intended at their optimal ranges, doing damage as intended. Breach AR is NOT OP and it does not need any kind of changes. You have to remember that it has the lowest optimal range of all rifles, low ROF, its a niche CQ weapon and its shield damage based (which is a hindrance in a game where mostly people armor tank). So yeah, before calling something OP or that it needs a nerf, get your facts straight. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4118	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:45:00 - [12] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: Lol at all the people that QQ "nerf the Breach AR, waaaah". Anyway... If a Lvl 5 Gallente Assault with AR Operation, SShoter and Proficiency 5 finds you in his optimal and you-¦re running shields as tank, you-¦re pretty much toast, BUT, if you-¦re not on its optimal, you WILL tear it to shreds (with an ACR for example); therefore, both weapons are working as intended at their optimal ranges, doing damage as intended. Breach AR is NOT OP and it does not need any kind of changes. You have to remember that it has the lowest optimal range of all rifles, low ROF, its a niche CQ weapon and its shield damage based (which is a hindrance in a game where mostly people armor tank). So yeah, before calling something OP or that it needs a nerf, get your facts straight. I'm not sure who said it needs a nerf. It needs to be looked at because it is the best CQC rifle right now and it's either because the normal AR is not working well or because it is over performing. Either way, it needs to be looked at before anything is done. I think a lower mag and less ammo would hurt the weapon, but slightly lowering the optimal would bring it in line. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 320	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:55:00 - [13] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: Lol at all the people that QQ "nerf the Breach AR, waaaah". Anyway... If a Lvl 5 Gallente Assault with AR Operation, SShoter and Proficiency 5 finds you in his optimal and you-¦re running shields as tank, you-¦re pretty much toast, BUT, if you-¦re not on its optimal, you WILL tear it to shreds (with an ACR for example); therefore, both weapons are working as intended at their optimal ranges, doing damage as intended. Breach AR is NOT OP and it does not need any kind of changes. You have to remember that it has the lowest optimal range of all rifles, low ROF, its a niche CQ weapon and its shield damage based (which is a hindrance in a game where mostly people armor tank). So yeah, before calling something OP or that it needs a nerf, get your facts straight. Cody and I both are hardcore gallente-boner players with assault and commando leveled up, and we use assault rifles a lot, so dont get the idea that he is whining about it needing nerfed, we both use the weapon a lot and love it. What does need to be looked at, is why is the pure gallente weapon, the standard assault rifle, under performing vs the gallente weapon that is modified to mimic the caldari weapon, the breach assault rifle. The breach is supposed to have kind of a longer range, slightly lower DPS compared to the main assault rifle, but the breach AR has a higher damage per shot, which makes its even more attractive I think. Normal AR has higher ROF, lower damage per shot, but I think it probably lands less hits than the breach AR does, as a total percentage of hits fired. Breach AR has lower ROF, higher damage per shot, and I think because of the lower ROF, people have an easier time landing all of their shots on target, which is inflating the performance DPS of the weapon compared to the actual performance of the standard assault rifle. What can be done? I dont have enough data to make a judgement on that.
Myron Kundera The Generals 113	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:06:00 - [14] - Quote The AR is the worst rifle in the game and that's a fact. You-¦re saying that the Breach AR is performing "better" than the AR, so, instead of making a thread about how the AR needs a buff, you-¦re proposing a nerf to the optimal range, clip size or ammo for the Breach AR, making it worse than the AR. Sorry mates but that just makes no sense. Instead of saying that the Breach AR needs to be looked up, make a thread about how the AR is underperfoming, needing a buff or something in those lines, but don-¦t try to make a sh*tty weapon a good one by nerfing it-¦s closest brother. By the way, asking for reduction in optimal, reduce clip size or ammo IS a nerf in my book. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"


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