DUST Search - stop changing the apex suits!

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Kensai Dragon wrote:

Moved HP from shield to armor at the sacrifice of profile and a basic 3% light DMG mod
Changed SMG to Ion Pistol (I hate that gun)
Changed RE to Uplink
Combined with coming EWAR and EQ changes, this is a deal breaker for me.

I'm usually not in a light/Scout suit. I've run Amarr scout on occasion but that's it. I looked over the spreadsheet (until it was hidden), debated over the variants, and decided on which one I'd like to pursue. The gal seemed decent. I got it right away, probably should have waited because it wasn't until after my purchase that I saw the feedback thread was started.
Given its current state I'm sure it works for someone, just not at all what I would have bought.

Waaah they took away the three damps that made me unscannable to all but proto amarr scouts and proto scanners on l5 gallogi's! Waaaah they took away my free remote explosives! Waaaaaah my proto bpo suit isn't a highly advantageous combination of everything toxic within the current dust meta! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Your suit has drawbacks now where it previously didn't, this is intended.


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TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 54	Posted - 2014.11.18 17:17:00 - [1] - Quote I bought the scout and logi! I used my money because I didn't have the time to grind! For only having basic equipment the scout was perfect! I want a refund!
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 56	Posted - 2014.11.18 17:56:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: The APEX fittings are purposefully sub-par. They are designed that way so a player willing to spend ISK on his own fitting will have an advantage over someone who straight up buys his BPO-proto fitting. Working as intended. No kidding! You don't say! The fact that it only had BASIC modules didn't tip you off? Its basically a super basic suit.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 56	Posted - 2014.11.18 17:59:00 - [3] - Quote As the suit was it was tolerable for what they had but you can't even change anything on the suit!
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 56	Posted - 2014.11.19 01:17:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Kensai Dragon wrote: Moved HP from shield to armor at the sacrifice of profile and a basic 3% light DMG mod Changed SMG to Ion Pistol (I hate that gun) Changed RE to Uplink Combined with coming EWAR and EQ changes, this is a deal breaker for me. I'm usually not in a light/Scout suit. I've run Amarr scout on occasion but that's it. I looked over the spreadsheet (until it was hidden), debated over the variants, and decided on which one I'd like to pursue. The gal seemed decent. I got it right away, probably should have waited because it wasn't until after my purchase that I saw the feedback thread was started. Given its current state I'm sure it works for someone, just not at all what I would have bought. Waaah they took away the three damps that made me unscannable to all but proto amarr scouts and proto scanners on l5 gallogi's! Waaaah they took away my free remote explosives! Waaaaaah my proto bpo suit isn't a highly advantageous combination of everything toxic within the current dust meta! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Your suit has drawbacks now where it previously didn't, this is intended. People are pointing out that a product or service was changed after the purchase of which the initial state of the suit may have been the reason for purchase. The suit had downsides already in that everything equipped was basic and you could not change the fitting period. People are voicing they're concern and dissent and you come here to openly mock them? Quit wasting everyone's time and troll someone who has the patience to listen to you.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:28:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a recall. Its called being fine the way they were.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:59:00 - [6] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: There should be no free remote explosives. Don't you realise links are better not just for your own score but also your teams chances of winning. I'm honestly sick of coming top on my team cause I'm the only ****** on my side who knows what a link is and how to use them. Links that others may not use because they are BASIC and waiting 15 seconds may take too long. Bear in mind not everyone has the same fitting setup. You like having drop uplinks great.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.26 05:04:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a recall. Would you feel that way if you purchased 3 thirty day boosters and CCP changed them into 3 day boosters? This wasn't a Nerf. It was a change in the product after the time of purchase.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.26 21:24:00 - [8] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Im loving all the dealership references. Its almost like you guys have never heard of a recall. This idea has been stated already. Have you heard of a refund?
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.27 01:14:00 - [9] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: boba's fetta wrote: There should be no free remote explosives. Don't you realise links are better not just for your own score but also your teams chances of winning. I'm honestly sick of coming top on my team cause I'm the only ****** on my side who knows what a link is and how to use them. Links that others may not use because they are BASIC and waiting 15 seconds may take too long. Bear in mind not everyone has the same fitting setup. You like having drop uplinks great. no I relise that links are necessary to win. I think you've jumped off topic however to respond to your opinion on fittings that is why I have one or more drop uplinks on each one of the vast majority of my fittings which are logi. As a scout I have no need for them. Let me guess you feel that every heavy suit out there should be forced to carry one in their fitting as well?
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.27 03:44:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a recall. Would you feel that way if you purchased 3 thirty day boosters and CCP changed them into 3 day boosters? This wasn't a Nerf. It was a change in the product after the time of purchase. So buy 30 day boosters then mid boosters have the Sp cap and payouts change entirely. Sometimes good sometimes bad. Still missing the point Iron Wolf. You don't pay for the SP cap, you pay for the boosters. If I purchase an Apex suit and CCP decides to adjust the functional level of all modules of which one or more may affect the suit like every other suit so be it. That is fair, it would be an adjustment liking buffing the RR or nerfing swarms. What happened was they changed the module/weapon load out which was one of the reasons I and others purchased the suit. CCP changed the product after the purchase.

TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:53:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a recall. Would you feel that way if you purchased 3 thirty day boosters and CCP changed them into 3 day boosters? This wasn't a Nerf. It was a change in the product after the time of purchase. So buy 30 day boosters then mid boosters have the Sp cap and payouts change entirely. Sometimes good sometimes bad. ISW this is BS and you know it Its more of the reality of how to this this much more very real issue for certain players as its doing all sorts of weird things. Apex suit changes are to keep them relative and useful instead of forgotten and unlike planetside 2 we are not nerfing the 9$ gun for being the most popular seller so that some other gun can have a chance to shine at being bought. Apex suits are being met with a range of critisms on being useful; or too powerful or not powerful enough for a standard fit even. Its a hard balance to strike off the bat with everything else changing dust 514 constantly. Now your making excuses. I purchased it because it would be useful. If the alterations are made they deviate from their usefulness to myself the buyer. The argument of these suits as being OP is both hilarious and weak in any form because even a regular basic suit can have higher tier modules/weapons and provide flexibility to the user. A true proto suit provides flexibility, HP, and weapons capabilities that these suits cannot provide. The suits themselves prove useful based on the players play style which would determine what they work towards or buy making the suits relevant. As far as this being the reality if CCP did the honorable thing either refunding my money or leaving these suits the way they were when a player purchases it I wouldn't complain. If I earned it by grinding on factional I would be disappointed but I would let it go. Instead as an individual that gave this company currency representative of my time and efforts to use in this game they essentially took that product and it's usefulness from me. They've had the ticket I submitted asking for a refund for over a week asking only for a refund in money representative of the Aurum used to purchase the suit and I haven't heard a response. Great customer service. I certainly won't be purchasing anything from this company again.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 64	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a recall. Would you feel that way if you purchased 3 thirty day boosters and CCP changed them into 3 day boosters? This wasn't a Nerf. It was a change in the product after the time of purchase. How would you feel if I took your car for service and replaced the brakes with a different model? Or replaced the radio? That's effectively what you're arguing about. It isn't changing your thirty days to three days. Its changing the manner in which the thirty days work. Changing your thirty day active boosters to thirty day passive boosters. No, that is changing the product. You are saying you still have something, its just not what you paid for.