DUST Search - RR charge time.

sir RAVEN WING wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

sir RAVEN WING wrote:

Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly?
I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed...
Also I'm bad at making threads...

no.. needs to be longer.. BUT buff damage per shot, buff aim down sights to have less kick, nerf hipfire a bit more.. boom a good solid mid/long range weapon..

then we need to buff the ARR, less kick from hip and ADS.. maybe slightly larger clip/ammo cap.. slightly more dmg per shot..

the ARR needs some major love to make it more viable for the brawlers/CQBers who seem stuck in their ways about the stock RR

I disagree, the RR spool up time makes the weapon a liability in any area that is not wide open and when the enemy sees you first.
Weakness
1, Area with tons of cover.
2, Spool up time
3, being spotted first
4, Reloading
5, Kick
Strengths
1, Okay damage
2, Range
3, Is there even a 3?
The weakness outnumber the strengths.

Now onto the buffs, Damage? It has a good amount of damage right now. ADS? Well no because 1, kick is barely a weakness for this gun (why it's #5) and if you max out the RR skill you already have a nice amount (not too much) of kick which is controllable. Nerf hipfire? Well I would rather trade my hip fire accuracy for the old spool time any day of the week .

I can't say anything about ARR due to the fact I never tried it...

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sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 310	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly? I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed... Also I'm bad at making threads... *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
Ku Shala The Generals 1016	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:11:00 - [2] - Quote wheeeew wheeew wheeew wheew ba ba ba ba ba ba whew whew baba baba bab pretty much keep pumping the charge till its time to shoot now :( *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19153	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:12:00 - [3] - Quote I feel a slightly shorter spool up to (perhaps 0.4) would be a good idea. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4622	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:14:00 - [4] - Quote YAY! More threads! B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 65	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:15:00 - [5] - Quote Should have a slightly shorter spool time.. Should also have shorter spool times as the bonus for cal assautl Garbage Day!
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 90	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote I agree that it is a bit too long. If someone is hiding behind a rock and pop their head out, they can get a couple of shots in before you can even fire one round. The spool up time is so long that the rifle has become useless except in open areas where the enemy has no cover. I think the kickback was enough a a nerf but the extra delay is a bit too much.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 613	Posted - 2014.11.17 20:55:00 - [7] - Quote It's poop.. use the breach cause it's almost the same weapon. I switched to using Mag Sec / Bolt Pistol on my toon instead of the RR but with the news of a increase spool time on the magsec I quickly deleted that fit as well. BTW, I rather run the RR but Caldari is poop right now... this coming from Mr Caldari. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4627	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote Just for you guys!! Blueprint For Murder wrote: What it is with the increased spool up time on the RR the AR is viable against it in close range it is the reason for zatera's and FAs push to revert the rail rifle along with this post. The CPM along with her guild (FA) obviously upset that something has an advantage against their fit. I hope the devs realize how perfect it is because it is obviously working as intended gk. vs. ck. long range vs cqc. I have not jumped into a match yet today hopefully they didn't give into these tryhards and revert the RR. Apparently all of you are in FA!! Welcome, my friends!! LMFAO! B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 311	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:14:00 - [9] - Quote Wow BPM was wrong... We have FA, The Generals, Horizon's Edge, Molon Labe, Trash Bucket (lol) and COALICION LATINA Anyone else? *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 311	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:17:00 - [10] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Just for you guys!! Blueprint For Murder wrote: What it is with the increased spool up time on the RR the AR is viable against it in close range it is the reason for zatera's and FAs push to revert the rail rifle along with this post. The CPM along with her guild (FA) obviously upset that something has an advantage against their fit. I hope the devs realize how perfect it is because it is obviously working as intended gk. vs. ck. long range vs cqc. I have not jumped into a match yet today hopefully they didn't give into these tryhards and revert the RR. Apparently all of you are in FA!! Welcome, my friends!! LMFAO! See my above post for how many corporations are somehow tied into this... Also is Blueprint a 'death to RR' person? I hate those people... HEY BLUEPRINT I'M NOT FA! post over *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*

Jammeh McJam F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. 132	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:42:00 - [11] - Quote IIIIIIIIII hate the new spool up time :( I've even stopped using the RR because i would rather use a magsec :( CCP WHYYYYYYYYYYYY "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 311	Posted - 2014.11.17 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: IIIIIIIIII hate the new spool up time :( I've even stopped using the RR because i would rather use a magsec :( CCP WHYYYYYYYYYYYY I, someone who maxed out RR, no longer use the weapon due to the 'spool' up time... You see! A Rail Rifle specialist now refuses to use it! CCP! Fix it! *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1937	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:15:00 - [13] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly? I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed... Also I'm bad at making threads... no.. needs to be longer.. BUT buff damage per shot, buff aim down sights to have less kick, nerf hipfire a bit more.. boom a good solid mid/long range weapon.. then we need to buff the ARR, less kick from hip and ADS.. maybe slightly larger clip/ammo cap.. slightly more dmg per shot.. the ARR needs some major love to make it more viable for the brawlers/CQBers who seem stuck in their ways about the stock RR [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4631	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:24:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly? I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed... Also I'm bad at making threads... no.. needs to be longer.. BUT buff damage per shot, buff aim down sights to have less kick, nerf hipfire a bit more.. boom a good solid mid/long range weapon.. then we need to buff the ARR, less kick from hip and ADS.. maybe slightly larger clip/ammo cap.. slightly more dmg per shot.. the ARR needs some major love to make it more viable for the brawlers/CQBers who seem stuck in their ways about the stock RR Please everyone...go easy on him he's special This is what you get when people who don't know **** about a weapon stick their nose in and try to balance things. SMH B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 312	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:38:00 - [15] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly? I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed... Also I'm bad at making threads... no.. needs to be longer.. BUT buff damage per shot, buff aim down sights to have less kick, nerf hipfire a bit more.. boom a good solid mid/long range weapon.. then we need to buff the ARR, less kick from hip and ADS.. maybe slightly larger clip/ammo cap.. slightly more dmg per shot.. the ARR needs some major love to make it more viable for the brawlers/CQBers who seem stuck in their ways about the stock RR I disagree, the RR spool up time makes the weapon a liability in any area that is not wide open and when the enemy sees you first. Weakness 1, Area with tons of cover. 2, Spool up time 3, being spotted first 4, Reloading 5, Kick Strengths 1, Okay damage 2, Range 3, Is there even a 3? The weakness outnumber the strengths. Now onto the buffs, Damage? It has a good amount of damage right now. ADS? Well no because 1, kick is barely a weakness for this gun (why it's #5) and if you max out the RR skill you already have a nice amount (not too much) of kick which is controllable. Nerf hipfire? Well I would rather trade my hip fire accuracy for the old spool time any day of the week . I can't say anything about ARR due to the fact I never tried it... *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1973	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:46:00 - [16] - Quote Would you guys prefer a minimum distance like the LR has to limit the RR cqc viability? Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 314	Posted - 2014.11.17 22:57:00 - [17] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Would you guys prefer a minimum distance like the LR has to limit the RR cqc viability? This is about the spool up time... *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1973	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:09:00 - [18] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Would you guys prefer a minimum distance like the LR has to limit the RR cqc viability? This is about the spool up time... exactly everyone is complaining about the "long" spool up time. What if rather then a spool up time you did 80% less damage in cqc Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1537	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:19:00 - [19] - Quote The increase in spool up makes it a disadvantage now for the first time. Still an awesome weapon, especially dominant at longer ranges. Everything is good. (well maybe not for RR-sentinels who are especially vulnerable to this long range oriented weapons new cqc weakness...) People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1937	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:20:00 - [20] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Anyone else think the RR charge time is far too long? To the point where it is extremely hard to use correctly? I can't be the only one who has seen this... or the only one wanting it to be fixed... Also I'm bad at making threads... no.. needs to be longer.. BUT buff damage per shot, buff aim down sights to have less kick, nerf hipfire a bit more.. boom a good solid mid/long range weapon.. then we need to buff the ARR, less kick from hip and ADS.. maybe slightly larger clip/ammo cap.. slightly more dmg per shot.. the ARR needs some major love to make it more viable for the brawlers/CQBers who seem stuck in their ways about the stock RR I disagree, the RR spool up time makes the weapon a liability in any area that is not wide open and when the enemy sees you first. Weakness 1, Area with tons of cover. 2, Spool up time 3, being spotted first 4, Reloading 5, Kick Strengths 1, Okay damage 2, Range 3, Is there even a 3? The weakness outnumber the strengths. Now onto the buffs, Damage? It has a good amount of damage right now. ADS? Well no because 1, kick is barely a weakness for this gun (why it's #5) and if you max out the RR skill you already have a nice amount (not too much) of kick which is controllable. Nerf hipfire? Well I would rather trade my hip fire accuracy for the old spool time any day of the week . I can't say anything about ARR due to the fact I never tried it... well im trying to make the weapons less homogenized.. ARR for close but suffers at longer ranged.. RR for long but suffers at closer range.. it forces the player to make the conscious choice about which weapon to take/use at the time... its like sentinels.. FG for LONG range/AV.. assault HMG for longer range.. normal HMG for shorter range.. or like the differance between stock AR or the Tactical AR.. or CR (med) vs ACR (short) its like in EVE... sniper fit (long range) == rails.. brawler fit (CQB/short) == blasters and if we go deeper its like.. railguns with antimatter (shorter) or tungston (longer) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1937	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:22:00 - [21] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The increase in spool up makes it a disadvantage now for the first time. Still an awesome weapon, especially dominant at longer ranges. Everything is good. (well maybe not for RR-sentinels who are especially vulnerable to this long range oriented weapons new cqc weakness...) a solid comment. it shows ARR is maybe more an advantage for closer ranges too and forces players to make choices.. like on my 6m+ cal assault/log alt has varients for LONG range and SHORT range and i use one or the other depending on map [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Michael Arck 6046	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:34:00 - [22] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: IIIIIIIIII hate the new spool up time :( I've even stopped using the RR because i would rather use a magsec :( CCP WHYYYYYYYYYYYY I am so confused. Not saying you but the voice of the people in GD kept pushing for a longer spool up time. Now people are asking why CCP implemented it? The meta wars are insane. Everything about the RR came at the hands of GD. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4638	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:36:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I am so confused. Not saying you but the voice of the people in GD kept pushing for a longer spool up time. Now people are asking why CCP implemented it? The meta wars are insane. Everything about the RR came at the hands of GD. Where? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4638	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:38:00 - [24] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The increase in spool up makes it a disadvantage now for the first time. Still an awesome weapon, especially dominant at longer ranges. Everything is good. (well maybe not for RR-sentinels who are especially vulnerable to this long range oriented weapons new cqc weakness...) The kick like a mule function we had before that they traded out for the increased charge time was not a disadvantage? How do you figure? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 92	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:44:00 - [25] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Would you guys prefer a minimum distance like the LR has to limit the RR cqc viability? This is about the spool up time... exactly everyone is complaining about the "long" spool up time. What if rather then a spool up time you did 80% less damage in cqc eerr NO!!! How about keep the current kick and return the previous spool time. People complaint way too much in this game. Boohhoo I'm getting killed by X or Y gun boohoo. Well, maybe it is not the gun itself but the player. The RR is a niche weapon. It was made for long range and that it did well. Or rather used to do well. Because of the new nerf people will stop using it. If that was the goal, then congratulations for those that wanted this but, guess what. There are plenty of other guns to choose from. If X person was getting hammers by a particular gun and that gun goes away then that same X person will not get hammer by a new gun. Call this new weapon the Breach assault. There are already people in the forum complaining about it. With the kickback the RR became less useful at close range so, once you close the distance your chances of success went up. With the breach it is just the opposite. The closer you get the worst the player is going to get hit. So, the people that where complaining about the RR have a surprise coming to them. Let me spoil the surprise for you. These people won't be able to get close. At that point they will wish they had a RR to be able to kill people at a distance. With the new change there will be no hiding spot for them. But, of course they are already complaining about the RR so what is going to happen? It will get nerf and people will migrate to something else, say the shotgun. I've seen quite a lot of minmatar assaults with shotguns and they do quite well. Of course, they will say that the shotgun is too powerful so they'll nerf that. So people will migrate to knifes which are even more difficult to use. They will die by the dozen due to its difficulty and they will ask for a nerf and guess what will happen. People will migrate to simply melee. Oh, but, it doesn't stop there. you see they will complain that the minmatar scout bonus to melee is too high and they will want to nerf that too. Or that the heavy has too much HP to be melee to death by the average Joe. Maybe at some point they will realize that maybe just maybe the person killing them is simply a better player than they are. But, hey what are the odds of that being the case?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 315	Posted - 2014.11.17 23:45:00 - [26] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Would you guys prefer a minimum distance like the LR has to limit the RR cqc viability? This is about the spool up time... exactly everyone is complaining about the "long" spool up time. What if rather then a spool up time you did 80% less damage in cqc Yes, I would... *Love your enemy for he toughens you.* *Love your state for it protects you* *Love your work*


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