CCP Rattati wrote:Cass Caul wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
Scouts are now only unscannable in Medium and Long Range
Let me stop you here.
This is by far the most destructive thing you could possible do to the Scout Role.
You're honestly making the Minmatar Scout unplayable in competitive levels.
This will completely invalidate a Nova Knife user. There is no way a suit with under 400HP is going to make it within the 34m radius a Caldari Scout has with 15 dB precision or the 14dB precision of an Amarr Scout at 34m.
Congrats. If you're goal was to remove the Minmtar Scout form play you did it.
Congrats. If you're goal was to recreate the Caldari Scout's role of sitting in a corner to provide Omniscient Scans again you've succeeded.
Did you not see any of the posts by dedicated Minmtar Scouts in how much they were affected by the change to the cloak? Because Nova Knives in the Sidearm Slot has increased in difficulty by magnitudes.
Though I suppose we can thank Zatara for pushing the concept of "Scouts need to dedicate 4 low slots to use stealth" into the field.
Yep. Bravo. I'm done.
Someone let me know if Scouts are ever allowed to play instead of being better suited to being AFK while the rest of the team fights it out.
So, in short, Minmatar Scouts need some buff? With the "Shoot while cloaked" bug fix, nothing is stopping us from making the Cloak better and less tiered and Active, instead of the overly passive system.
It says very clearly that "no changes" are being made to the Scouts attributes, and will be addressed with well thought out efficacy changes plus learnings from this first iteration.
I'm saying that as long as Scouts don't have a ROLE bonus, instead of a Racial one, there will always be an imbalance in Scout distribution because the one that takes the fewest low slots, the slots that compete with modules such as kinetic catalyzers and codebreakers, that one will always be the best choice.
Seeing as one of the four scouts only have 2 low slots, that means Profile Dampeners need a 10% per level efficacy bonus and an active cloak, something that shouldn't be a choice as to whether a player wants to use it.
If you don't change base stats, like you just said, then the Caldari Scout can already get to the same level of precision as the Focused Active Scanner again.
With those proposed numbers there are 3 different ways to get a suit to Gallente Logistics' Focused Scanner's Precision with a range of 33-43m. If you take awaay the Caldari Scout's affinity for scan range, you can reduce that to 2 but there's no way people won't min-max scanning.
People abhor having to match skill vs skill when it comes to situational awareness, why should they have to look anywhere other than the corner of their screen to know where someone is?!
If Dampeners were to reduce range like precision increases profile, instead of forcing the cloak down everyone's throat that wants to play the EWAR game.
The game is still all about absolutes. How often, honestly, are people killed outside 40m?
Can you get that number? Can you see each by game mode?
If a Logistics suit can get Precision to a point where the majority of suits can't avoid it and get range matching or exceeding the average kill range then how is this any more fluid?
Hyper-vigilant Precision. So what if Precision adds to Profile? Someone else is just going to run that high precision build to see everyone around them anyway.
@ little sammy:
You're right. total misinformation.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2173587#post2173587On the precipice of alpha "The bonus's need to be 1 module difference, not 2, speaking of the cal and gal scout bonuses at the high end scanning."
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2176785#post2176785Gal Scout discussion thread, "This aside from making min scouts unscannable with 3 complex damps is the way to go. "
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2176876#post2176876"thus 3 damps by amarr and 3 damps (but perhaps a basic instead of the complex) by a gal are required to get under the min/maxing of a gal logi focused scanner. "
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2177170#post2177170All you've done since is say how it's unfair how Detection doesn't overcome dampening.
Has something changed during your tenure on the CPM? No, it hasn't.
Total misinformation.
P.S. It takes like all of 5 minutes to search the entirety of a post you want to find. There's nothing special or time consuming about it.
I also love seeing al the "Focused Scanner has high fitting cost," in posts in this thread. For reference, dampening below it takes anywhere form 149 CPU and 18PG comprised of 2 low slots and an Equipment slot vs 1 EQ slot and only 29CPU and 14PG. Or for Min and Amarr it takes another 33 CPU and another low slot.
Focused scanners have such a high fitting cost...
