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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:33:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
What should that nerf be? Clip size...reload speed lengthened if a clip reduction doesn't do the trick. The DPS is actually fine...it's how long that DPS is sustainable...and how easy it is to do that DPS at ranges I don't know that the breach was intended for
This is the exact issues with it. It just needs its mag reduced to 32 instead of 36, and its rance dropped to 40m instead of 44.
That would give it the same damage per mag, DPS and range as the regular AR.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 07:34:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:IF the BAR is to be like the SCR then it would seem fit to lower clip size and increase reload to operate in similar fashion to the SCR's overheat mechanic?
I'd still like opinions from others:
What weapon should the Breach take it's queue's from? What should it's purpose be?
Its supposed to behave like the RR.
A lot of people think that means its supposed to be long range as well, but Breach weapons aren't actually long range.
They're slow firing, and hard hitting compared to the normal variant.
None of the breach variant weapons actually have a longer range than their normal variant...
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Posted - 2014.11.17 08:57:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Oh yeah, the BAR seriously is as bad as a weapon that -literally- melted every light and medium suit in a single trigger pull when on target, it's just that good. How dare a CQC weapon shine in CQC for more than 2 weeks after well over a year of disuse, nerf it immediately.
/sarcasm
It's powerful yeah, but old BHMG levels of OP? I don't think so. I don't think anyone is asserting that...if they are they are fuggin dumb. Is it strong? Yes. Does it need a nerf? I think so. What should that nerf be? Clip size...reload speed lengthened if a clip reduction doesn't do the trick. The DPS is actually fine...it's how long that DPS is sustainable...and how easy it is to do that DPS at ranges I don't know that the breach was intended for Like i've said elsewhere...what is this weapon's goal/purpose? What is it's intended range? Should it be the best CQC variant as opposed to the higher dispersion/kick 'normal' AR? Should it be able to apply it's damage better than the regular ar at >15m if it IS a CQC weapon? This sort of consensus/answer helps a lot in these kinds of conversations. Breach should NOT be nerfed into the ground...people like you have been waiting WAAAAAY too damn long for it to be brought back. See, the breach AR is the Gallente mimicing the RR. So shouldnt we buff the range and nerf the DPS?
No.
See above.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 09:07:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Doesn't the breach have the same DPS as a standard Assault Rifle?
Not to mention . . .
Identical Ranges
Similar TTE
Similar Dispersion and Kick
Identical Reload Times
Identical Damage Profile
Prehaps before we try nerfing it into the ground we should be trying to figure out why it's outperforming it's twin brother in the same situation.
Many of those things you mentioned we not true... you continue to make a fool of yourself MAC.
BrAR has slightly more DPS. A tiny amount, so I'll excuse your ignorance.
BrAR has 4m of extra range.
What is TTE? Do you mean TTK? Look above to DPS...
Same dispersion and kick... per shot. Less overall due to lower fire rate.
Yes, identical reload times. But the BrAR has to reload less due to its relatively larger mag. 228 more damage per magazine. This is equivalent to the Minmatar Assault bonus, except it works everywhere.
Same damage profile... Yeah, this is about the only thing you got completely right.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 09:48:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Breach weapons are used to breach objectives, the name suggest it to be a CQC weapon, while the "regular" assault rifle does not.
Nerf BrAR range, buff AR range.
Also implement breach ScR and CR please. Both with lower range than regular variants, lower ROF (full auto) and higher damage per shot.
Breach weapons also always have the same firing mode as the normal variant.
Breach ScRs and CRs would be semiautomatic and burst, respectively. They shouldnt be full auto.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 10:54:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Lets all jump into a match right now and list the number of times it shows up on the kill feed if any and for this test you may not use said rifle.
Results:
Players using it Breach AR: 3
Number of times on feed: 18
Win: Yes - clone destruction
Loss: No
There may be a few I missed I was trying to somewhat contribute to my team, It was a great match too even though I was camping out we had one bar left and cloned them. It is 6 kills a piece average and most were from 2 players which doesn't look like a weapon that is over preforming to me, It looks like a weapon that is being used.
Extra info:
RR/ARR users: A ton
CR/ACR users : A ton
Shotgun users : A ton
The last 3 on the feed blanketed it there was a few nk, remote explosive, SR, and scram rifle kills.
I would bet the activity wouldn't even be this high if people didn't say this very mediocre weapon was "fotm" or OP when it clearly isn't. Furthermore I would think a CPM could find more meaningful things to work on as opposed to crying wolf.
Nice anecdotal evidence, bro.
Looking at the stats, it is quite clear that the BrAR is over performing a bit.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:02:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:What it is with the increased spool up time on the RR the AR is viable against it in close range it is the reason for zatera's and FAs push to revert the rail rifle along with this post. The CPM along with her guild (FA) obviously upset that something has an advantage against their fit. I hope the devs realize how perfect it is because it is obviously working as intended gk. vs. ck. long range vs cqc. I have not jumped into a match yet today hopefully they didn't give into these tryhards and revert the RR. That's just silly. Want to know who turned me on to the BAR? Gav, an FA player.
You know what turned me on to it?
Its huge, ******** **** **** ** ****.
I just can't resist it...
Seriously though? I've been maining this weapon since it got buffed, not because I actually like the weapon, but because I saw that it was going to be OP seconds after they announced its stats.
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