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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:28:00 -
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So True Adamance what does your fictitious quote and link have to do with one another? I to get fed up with ignorant mathzs.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14615
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:51:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:So True Adamance what does your fictitious quote and link have to do with one another? I to get fed up with ignorant mathzs.
You inferred that Q-Syncers don't care about FW and will leave as soon as they get what they want.
This is wholly untrue.
Arkena, Sgt Kirk. Catmerc were here last year fighting and Q-Syncing for the Gallente before LP was even introduced in this game. So was Ghost Kaisar, so was Middas, so was I.
LP is a side show to winning for our Faction.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5275
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:58:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Stop soloing, learn how to play! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.  ) solo signup seems to yeald faster matches and then i hot drop into a squad. stop being elitist scrubs.. sorry couldnt resist
Elitist, we take just about anybody with a mic. If you are a dbag I'll kick you, but we are anything but elitists. Most of us like team play.
I have more fun when a squad is working together. When I get to play with multiple squads that I can talk to it's even more enjoyable. Despite what you believe I'd really like to see more of Dust take the next step and fight as a group. There are great tools that make the game really fun when it all comes together.
I firmly believe that CCP needs to develop team play further and incentivize it exponentially more for lower SP players (auto squading and/or squad bonuses). Leadership skills, team deploy UI, high end faction contracts somehow Eve driven, etc for veterans.
I'll guarantee that the biggest spenders in this game are players that have immersed in the meta in corps that do PC and now FW. I think round the cloak team play in FW could be built upon to turn Dust/Legion into a monster. But I don't think it gets there just being a solo COD death match lobby shooter.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10267
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:So True Adamance what does your fictitious quote and link have to do with one another? I to get fed up with ignorant mathzs. You inferred that Q-Syncers don't care about FW and will leave as soon as they get what they want. This is wholly untrue. Arkena, Sgt Kirk. Catmerc were here last year fighting and Q-Syncing for the Gallente before LP was even introduced in this game. So was Ghost Kaisar, so was Middas, so was I. LP is a side show to winning for our Faction.
Mathematically speaking, even if the Faction Apex suits are their end-goal, they would need to grind a minimum of 500,000 LP and 50 Million ISK to get them and that is only for the first 5 suits. However, according to the recent Dev Blog, there are more to come. 15 more suits to be exact.
Running the numbers, that is a grand total of no less than 2 Million LP and 200 Million ISK to get all of those suits. It's a mission for me as it is trying to get into a match back to back and I've been doing nothing but run Gallente FW for the past week and so far I only got 16,000 LP and I'm at level 3.
Source:
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/11/introducing-apex-series-bpo-dropsuits
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
This is wholly untrue.
...Really Bro....
I will not debate the motives of those you mentioned because I don't know them, but if you do not notice the difference between fw 7 days ago and now you are wholly consumed by fantasy.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10267
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:08:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:True Adamance wrote:
This is wholly untrue.
...Really Bro.... I will not debate the motives of those you mentioned because I don't know them, but if you do not notice the difference between fw 7 days ago and now you are wholly consumed by fantasy.
But again, even if the suits are their end-goal, it will be a very long time by the time they get them all. And even then, they will likely continue FW because by then they will have gained enough FW ranks to practically continue supporting themselves in FW with the extra LP and decent salvage you can sell.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:14:00 -
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With quesyncing and little opposition a suit can be gained in 4 days even less with 3x faction boosters.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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G Felix
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:17:00 -
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This whole discussion is becoming asinine. Anyone arguing for less coordinated teamwork, arguing for a "Solo Only" mode, and complaining about large scale player cooperation to achieve loftier goals needs to realize there are plenty of boring lobby shooters that accommodate these requests readily. This game is different, and it's by design.
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10269
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:19:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:With quesyncing and little opposition a suit can be gained in 4 days even less with 3x faction boosters. I am not sure how proper this is but 4 days minus 75% 1 day per suit.
Assuming you can find enough people with that much patience for the grind which I'm probably sure is no problem. Even then, would that mean they will give up going to FW once they get the suits? Probably not. They'll likely keep on going.
PS: I know I will keep on going even if I get all the suits today.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13735
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:20:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:With quesyncing and little opposition a suit can be gained in 4 days even less with 3x faction boosters.
With all these q-syncs there's rarely "little opposition". In the past week I've been fighting with MM there have only been about 5 matches (out of 50) where there hasn't been any squads/teams on the other side.
Well, on the Matari vs. Amarr side at least.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:26:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
no mic dude so stfu.
Not having a mic is not an excuse. Just ask anyone who's ever squadded up with me and they'll tell you how I usually don't speak at all unless I absolutely have to. Heck, at one point my mic was broken and I was even playing PCs regularly.
As long as you follow directions and are a competent player, people won't care if you have a mic.
Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
and do you even EVE bro?
Enough to know that I shouldn't try to fight a fleet by myself. 
The 1st Matari Commando
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
10269
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
no mic dude so stfu.
Not having a mic is not an excuse. Just ask anyone who's ever squadded up with me and they'll tell you how I usually don't speak at all unless I absolutely have to. Heck, at one point my mic was broken and I was even playing PCs regularly. As long as you follow directions and are a competent player, people won't care if you have a mic. Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
and do you even EVE bro?
Enough to know that I shouldn't try to fight a fleet by myself.
Pretty much this. I heard about this one guy who was still in a corp doing PC that requires a mic but never had a mic. The only reason he was still accepted was because he excelled at following directions and he was the best damn sniper in his corp. XD
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
285
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:45:00 -
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Well If I had the choice between a fleeting player base and completely unbalanced matches or or a sustainable player base with balanced matches... I know what I would choose.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
286
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:45:00 -
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Well If I had the choice between a fleeting player base and completely unbalanced matches or or a sustainable player base with balanced matches... I know what I would choose.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1339
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:46:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Well If I had the choice between a fleeting player base and completely unbalanced matches or or a sustainable player base with balanced matches... I know what I would choose.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.15 15:47:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:If you are not quesyncing you have no chance of winning and it takes around 305 matches and around 30 million isk avg. if you play to win every game for the same faction to get the lp you need for one suite. The tryhards that are exploiting this broken match making and will leave fw once they have enough lp. Leaving FW as dead as it was before and in turn making it even harder for the rest of us to get matches... so stop queing faction warfare grind pubs until it is fixed.
I say let the tryhards face each other let them drive the new players out so much that they can no longer get matches of course then they will probably just kill trade like they do in pc.
These guys are so fail they even post racial propaganda to herd the sheep to the faction they wish... don't play into it.. fight for freedom jump into a pub today.
sofar im at 35k LP and maybe spent 1-2m so i estimate 4-6m for the 100k i need/want
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
608
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Posted - 2014.11.15 15:52:00 -
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There needs to be something if I punish a guy 3 times in FW for team killing.. for the rest of the week I can spawn into any match he is in and team kill him. This also goes for PC battles he is in, I'll be the 17th player just hunting some dirty scrub ass trying to defend his district.
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
82
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:46:00 -
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Although I don't really like getting proto-stomped by one whole corp I still like the challenge and coming out first in the scrub team...
Python pilot
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:27:00 -
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I am going to do 20 matches to see if there was any changes with this patch. I am not willing to play through another 60+ matches if it is the same and will make another sample 20.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
586
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:39:00 -
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You don't need a mic to join a squad....
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2195
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:51:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Stop soloing, learn how to play! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. ) solo signup seems to yeald faster matches and then i hot drop into a squad. stop being elitist scrubs.. sorry couldnt resist
Then how about you stay in pubs, where your scrub solo ass belongs?
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:58:00 -
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He is a tryhard that couldn't win on even ground that's why he try's so hard give him a break. This is a free game what kind of people do we really expect to meet here lol certainly not civil.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1965
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:02:00 -
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Riptalis wrote:Although I don't really like getting proto-stomped by one whole corp I still like the challenge and coming out first in the scrub team...
basically just ego padding then :P
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
91
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:49:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:stop the Q-syncs, bring back the fun!
Even though I hate it it's also quite challenging & fun at times.
Edit: I already said this... Whoops!
Python pilot
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1976
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:51:00 -
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Riptalis wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:stop the Q-syncs, bring back the fun! Even though I hate it it's also quite challenging & fun at times.
but 90% of the time its a wash out and all cap points are red and we cannot even get out of the initial spawn area with out being camped with in the first 1-3 minutes o the game.. which leaves 12 to 14 minutes of tedium and frustration because of the "wolves at the gate"
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14760
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:59:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Riptalis wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:stop the Q-syncs, bring back the fun! Even though I hate it it's also quite challenging & fun at times. but 90% of the time its a wash out and all cap points are red and we cannot even get out of the initial spawn area with out being camped with in the first 1-3 minutes o the game.. which leaves 12 to 14 minutes of tedium and frustration because of the "wolves at the gate"
This is more or less a combination of several things/
1- Inability to select specific warzones (under a model where we could Syncs would be targeting the warzone EVE militias actually need. Anyone deploying to those warzones would be doing so knowing they would be facing organised competition and increased likelihood on both sides of a Sync)
2- PVE LP system for the soloist farmer plague.
3- People (in some circumstances) not willing to contribute to the betterment of their militia are looking for excuses and whining that they feel their sense of entitlement to win is not being met where more dedicated groups are present.
"The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:11:00 -
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A system with the insane imbalance which allows for insanely fast gains completely subverting any reason to buy the suits and killing the player base in the proccess... the same thing happened in swtor player base because of population mostly and I would imagine the same shows true here partially because of rifle balance.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14762
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:15:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote: A system with the insane imbalance which allows for insanely fast gains completely subverting any reason to buy the suits and killing the player base in the proccess... the same thing happened in swtor player base because of population mostly and I would imagine the same shows true here partially because of rifle balance.
So you suggest one solo player should be equivalent in effectiveness to 16 organised players?
"The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
321
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:17:00 -
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Not at all. And I am not suggesting 16 players can either.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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B-F M
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
54
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:22:00 -
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I agree that q-syncing is fine in FW - how else are teams supposed to really work together?
Q-syncing in pubs is much more of a problem because pubs are the only remaining option for casual battles. Not everyone wants to play at 100% of their gear/skill limits every game.
Also, remove proto from pubs.
GöÇGòñGòªn++ Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting. n++GòªGòñGöÇ
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