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Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:22:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:
Gallente propaganda did a number on you
 You can dismiss truth as propaganda all you like, it won't change the fact that you fight for a state that has literally had a government of terrorists.
Do you really understand what a terrorist government is? Tibus heths government was all about preserving the Caldari and getting caldari prime back. A real terrorist government would have killed every gallente on Caldari Prime and within the state. But instead were detained for their own protection. Without force we wouldn't have been able to get Caldari Prime back. Now say the roles were switched and gallente Prime was under caldari rule, but no matter how you ask their government wont hand it over. What would you do to reclaim your home?
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:56:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:
Let's start off with your claim about Caldari Prime originally being Gallente held
It was inhabited by many harsh years by the Caldari before you had made note of us. We were just uniting if I remember correctly.
I never said that.
I stated that for two hundred years it was a sovereign Gallente world, and the population is majority Gallente. This is entirely correct - after the first war, the planet was held by the Federation for two hundred years.
There are more Gallenteans who call that planet home than Caldari.
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Next our greed for power
We built in secret, yes, but we did it not for power, but instead to preserve our culture. You found out and we then tried to succeed, but an extremist group bombed one of your cities killing over half a million people, and you responded with force as you had every right to. You invaded with an orbital bombardment which if I have read right would endanger countless of both sides, more innocent than anything else. We then distracted your navy for the time it took to evacuate the innocents. One of our admirals 'heroically sacrificed' himself in what you call the Hueromont Incident. Also little bonus, we had colonies and resources, not a military if I remember correctly (I'm reading the damn wiki while writing this!)
You did have a military. The secret colonies formed the backbone of it. It's no wonder that the Gallenteans had a collective heart attack when they stumbled across a massive secret military. Hiding colonies for 'cultural' reasons is one dubious thing, building a military force in secret is quite another.
It's honestly a terrible shame that the tensions should have broken so violently. There was a real possibility of a peace settlement before Nouvelle Rouvenor. It's interesting that you should so repeatedly denounce the Templis Dragonaurs as extremists when they've literally run your government.
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Now to your question: What drives the empire? Well for one, the desire to better itself, and two, we want to be culturally pure. (We want to keep our culture pure)
On to the part about us being slaves, we are not slaves, we work hard, yes we do, but working hard just makes you a stronger individual, not a slaves. We work for the future of the state not for our own personal goals. In fact we are characterized by being diligence and unselfish, hard working, and dutiful. You are selfish, we are not.
I'm sorry, I actually had to suppress laughter while reading this.
You think the megacorporations are all about the betterment of all, do you? Caldari politics are perhaps the most cut-throat, shadowy affairs of any of the empires. Your little list of values is very cute, but wildly inaccurate. The boardroom executives occupy their free time with whoring and wandering between their luxury resorts. The folks at Ishukone are the only people from the State I would believe capable of the values on your list - they have some fine people. Naturally, that resulted in them getting put under pressure by the Provists.
To claim that your people are not selfish is wildly inaccurate. What is it that drives a man from the foundries to assassinating political rivals and ruling with an iron fist? Sure as hell wasn't a desire for the greater good. Heth was a lunatic, and the State's actions for the past few years have reflected that. His bloody legacy is a long way from being cleared up.
Quote:We are happy to serve, and we must have soldiers. So now I ask you to stop twisting facts and mixing them with propaganda. Thank you for the time spent reading the truth. P.S I put little to no propaganda in this so do not come back at me with propaganda and say my words are propaganda. 
No matter how much you claim that your words are purely fact and not propaganda, that does not make them so.
Twisting facts? I challenge you to find factual inaccuracies. The only ones you've attempted so far are due to your misunderstandings.
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Do you really understand what a terrorist government is? Tibus heths government was all about preserving the Caldari and getting caldari prime back. A real terrorist government would have killed every gallente on Caldari Prime and within the state. But instead were detained for their own protection. Without force we wouldn't have been able to get Caldari Prime back. Now say the roles were switched and gallente Prime was under caldari rule, but no matter how you ask their government wont hand it over. What would you do to reclaim your home?
Tibus Heth's government was the harshest rule in New Eden, and I include the Empire in that assessment. The Templis Dragonaurs, who you keep claiming were just an edge extremist group, comprised a significant portion of your government. You literally had terrorists in your government, reignited an age old war as the aggressors, and threatened the glassing of billions while beginning a military crackdown on a majority Gallentean population.
How, exactly, is that not terrorism?
Do you consider it justified because Caldari Prime was your home?
Do you believe that people should show respect because of that?
When you took the Intaki homeworld, you auctioned it.
And you expect people to respect a claim outdated by centuries to a world that doesn't even have that many of your people on it? The people there rioted when you invaded their planet and started martial law. The people who actually lived there never wanted you there.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4543
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Posted - 2014.11.14 19:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:We are not the Amarrians, who use the word slaves.
Ftfy. The difference is semantics, though outright torture is generally frowned upon...
by the Amarr.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
259
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:40:00 -
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@Ark
I'm no fan of Tibus Heth, he was a lunatic. I help myself justify helping the Gallente in Caldari Prime a bit by reminding myself that Tibus Heth was who he was.
Also, my apologies, I misunderstood you.
I'm sorry, what? I must have been listening to a lot of (CCP's) Propaganda to ignore the obvious, My apologies again.
Wait, back up and explain when the Dragonaurs is aligned with our government. Is it like the Black Eagles being connected to your government (Who kills innocents, kidnaps innocents and tortures innocents. 'for the greater good') or do you know?
I never said anything about the Megacorporation, I was talking about the Soldiers and the Civilians. Yes, Heth was a dog that needs to be put down, sadly he may be alive. (Another failure on the Feds part?)
We did what? why? I... Damn it. (Lol in IGS, Raven happens to be Intaki and Civire)
Okay, fine we have a great deal of bad, but you can not say the same.
As of your challenge, give me a second (Where did you find the part about the Intaki homeworld?) I'll have answers soon.
For The State!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19093
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:42:00 -
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The Templis Dragonaurs backed Heth's rule.
The Intaki homeworld debacle is a few years old now, luckily it was liberated by Gallente forces before much could happen. I suggest you read thoroughly up on the lore instead of bring the wiki up for arguments, though. I guarantee you that you'll get a much better picture of things.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
259
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:53:00 -
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Yes, okay.
Gallente Tyuui...
For The State!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19093
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:56:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Yes, okay. Gallente Tyuui...
Baka. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
259
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Yes, okay. Gallente Tyuui... Baka.
Kim vanni?
Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm
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Middas Betancore
Kirjuun Heiian
179
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:32:00 -
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Resigned my post at Kirjuun Heiian, done with any further attempt of "leadership/organisation" of CFW
Blame/Claim what you like, it's mainly a "people thing"
Channel is still open for those that wanna use it
Moderator is: Darnoch Naari
Good luck, have fun
Mercenary for hire
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
297
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:39:00 -
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Middas Betancore wrote:Resigned my post at Kirjuun Heiian, done with any further attempt of "leadership/organisation" of CFW
Blame/Claim what you like, it's mainly a "people thing"
Channel is still open for those that wanna use it
Moderator is: Darnoch Naari
Good luck, have fun
Such a shame...
Good luck on your future endeavors unless they are against the state (your sig )
Who happens to be the CEO now?
Love your enemy for he toughens you.
Love your state for it protects you
Love your work
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1628
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:43:00 -
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I will be resuming as CEO in the interim. KH will remain taxless and open for people who want to join
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8486
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:45:00 -
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Middas Betancore wrote:Resigned my post at Kirjuun Heiian, done with any further attempt of "leadership/organisation" of CFW
Blame/Claim what you like, it's mainly a "people thing" I tried for about a year...
Channel is still open for those that wanna use it
Moderator is: Darnoch Naari
Good luck, have fun
The biggest hindrance to the Caldari's success in FW in themselves I've noticed.
I as hopping you guys got over this when Z platoon started fading away but I guess a new problem has arised.
Oh well....
The Gallente Train is still truckin'!
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Middas Betancore
Kirjuun Heiian
179
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:48:00 -
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Z platoon kinda just splintered, AKIRA is the new face, still the same poor attitudes
Mercenary for hire
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
298
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:50:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Middas Betancore wrote:Resigned my post at Kirjuun Heiian, done with any further attempt of "leadership/organisation" of CFW
Blame/Claim what you like, it's mainly a "people thing" I tried for about a year...
Channel is still open for those that wanna use it
Moderator is: Darnoch Naari
Good luck, have fun The biggest hindrance to the Caldari's success in FW in themselves I've noticed. I was hoping you guys got over this when Z platoon started fading away but I guess a new problem has arisen.
1, FTFY
2, You seem happy...
3, I'm not sure what you were implying with the train bit, but I'd highly appreciate it if you refrain from insulting anyone/The Caldari.
Love your enemy for he toughens you.
Love your state for it protects you
Love your work
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jNs Vit4l
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
54
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:25:00 -
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Middas Betancore wrote:Z platoon kinda just splintered, AKIRA is the new face, still the same poor attitudes
Im sure someone or someones will try some kinda leadership thing
Just was no fun at all, burning away game time arguing with childish and intolerable...people
Sucks cos PIE seems to work so well, not to be...at least not for me
Il most likely still play caldari as it's still my character
/End words/rant
Lol, what are you talking about. Z Platoon 13 is up and running everyday.
As far as the "burning away game time arguing with childish people", hmm I bet you weren't in z platoon with all the '"old" veteran player qsyncs.
"God, grand me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change and the courage to change the things that I can"
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Middas Betancore
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:36:00 -
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The one thing soooo many forget, is z platoon came from what I created before it, not gonna argue about the denials etc
The players in z were mostly a huge headache, a handful of ppl I got on with
Meh either way, most of the time im getting vexed over peoples unwarranted attitude problems, not worth it
Just frak it, im done, no big deal
Mercenary for hire
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4560
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:40:00 -
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The 2 posts about kinda reinforce what Kirk is saying to an extent, I'm afraid. The empire is always willing to help your cause but certainly a house divided will always fall.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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