That would certainly make sense to me if CCP ever plan on introducing and rebalancing AV for Marauders tanks.

Keep normal variant the same.
And Breach variant.
Make assault changes: STD/ADV/PRO
Charge: 3.5s/3.2s/2.7s
Direct: 890/950/1025
Splash: 200/240/310
Splash radius: 1.5m/2.5m/3.2m

They'd be more assault-like against infantry, but still be okay against vehicles.

The Breach Forge Gun is the worst of the lot by far. Not only does it have a 6-second charge time, but it immobilizes you and has the WORST DPS in the AV crowd. I would suggest bringing the DPS to a whopping 420 from 350 at base proto by dropping the charge time to 5 seconds and reducing the movement speed penalty from 100% to 80%.

1. The breach is fine, use it a few times and funny to one shot stuff, nit the weakspot and its gone in most cases

2. Normal FG is generally fine, it can hold its charge which is the main plus if you are waiting for an ambush to happen or want to hit the sweet spot

3. AFG requires more aim as the round is fired automatically, miss and no DPS is applied

4. FG are fine as they are, mess with FG and i want a buff for all vehicles since the balance is being ****** up again while i cannot get into my proto pilot suit with proto mods for my proto amarr HAV using its proto turret with proto modules and skills with useful bonuses

Your opinion has been noted and summarily dismissed as your response is always "Screw everyone else MAI VEHICLES!!!"

Contribute more than "NONONONONONONONO!" and get taken more seriously.

Both of the hold charge versions of the forge gun are underperforming and more or less used as infantry blap tools with the worst DPS of any AV.

Swarms and Plasma cannon are more reliably able to kill things.

1. Fully proto sentinal with fully proto FG with prof 5 and all other skills to 5

Yes because a proto fit Gunnlogi shouldn't be challenged by prototype AV. NEXT

2. Different FG for different uses in different situations - just because you dont use it doesnt mean everyone else doesnt

The assault forge does everything better. When splash went away, damage versus a point target should have gone up so that the AV purpose the Forge maintains lesser cousin to the assault. Not only that, why does the standard model maintain both inferior alpha and DPS to the assault? The assault is supposed to have the highest DPS, with the breach having the highest alpha. the standard falls short in performance with AV.

both the breach and the standard are opportunist killers, and the odds of pulling a kill before a vehicle escapes are thin and laughable , so they are entirely dependent upon other AV to soften the target so they can killsteal.

3. FG are fine to use and get plently of vehicle kills, if they are used for killing infantry not my problem

Your obsession with refusing anyone else a buff until your vehicles are fixed the way you want them is not my problem. I supported ADS pilots when I said the ADS fire rate was overnerfed, and all of you idjits still attacked my findings when I said the blaster turret was crap, and the missile launcher wasn't going to be able to maintain parity with an assault forge sentinel.

I openly despise the watering down of HAV heavy turrets.

Your continuous reaction to my posts seems to assume that I'm in Soraya's camp gleefully shouting "Vehicles need to be easy to kill!"

I want the guns functional, but in both of the cases the proposed buffs will likely only bring them to parity with the assault overall, not make them more efficient since both charge at the stupid and slow rate.

And finally, People naysaying and screaming about everything on behalf of vehicles, including threads that have nothing to do with vehicles, rapidly diminishes peoples' interest in your crusade. Because you refuse to listen, refuse to acknowledge that anyone else might have a point, and bluntly between you and Spkr4thedead, I've seen more reasoned debate from the tea Party, given that you two have adopted their "Never compromise with anyone" platform.

Good day.

Breakin Stuff, Laser doesn't react to logic or well phrased points, it's inimical to their being.

I agree the regular FG needs something. Your numbers seem entirely reasonable. Entirely too reasonable!

Indeed. There are a number of issues with V/AV balance and most of them stem from a poor groundwork.

Large Blasters should fire projectiles more akin to Plasma Cannons; Rails need a longer range (and the redline needs to go waaaay back); we need deployables to slow and trap vehicles; we need deployable to allow infantry to fortify, and for vehicles to subsequently destroy in support of their own infantry...and so on.

Sigh. Maybe when I'm old and grey, we will get a Soon from Rattati...

Anyway, your thread is about FGs. Normal ones with better placed alpha/DPS is legit; Breach movement seems reasonable, though if we're going to keep their movement restricted I'd say disable jumping too, since the bunny hopping FGer is ridiculous.

I said proto FIT.

Get out. you don't read, you don't listen, your input is biased and adds nothing.

Oh and you seem to be under the delusion that I hate vehicles.

You're hilarious, and your usefulness has more or less ended.

2. You do hate vehicles

3. Your more biased than me

1. Proto fit includes the hull

2. You do hate vehicles

3. Your more biased than me

1. No it doesn't. A "proto fit" refers to a fitting equipped with PRO items.

2. Hating vehicles is part if the job. Everyone has bias (some more than others). It's the ability to set aside your bias and look at things objectively that determines your credibility.

3. Not even remotely.

1. No it doesn't. A "proto fit" refers to a fitting equipped with PRO items.

2. Hating vehicles is part if the job. Everyone has bias (some more than others). It's the ability to set aside your bias and look at things objectively that determines your credibility.

3. Not even remotely.

Whatever the final action, we need to fix that for forgeguns "Assault" means "Better". Right now you could really just rename the AFG to "Better Forgegun" and not do anyone a disservice.

Holding a charge with a Forgegun isn't smart anyway. Every millisecond of holding a charge reduces your DPS. Rather miss one AFG shot and hit the second one than hold a charge for 1 second. I know that doesn't account for reloading, but any competent vehicle is gone within 9 seconds anyway.

I think the current design for "assault" subtypes is high DPS & short range. Maybe that should be implemented.

Your opinion has been noted and summarily dismissed as your response is always "Screw everyone else MAI VEHICLES!!!"

Contribute more than "NONONONONONONONO!" and get taken more seriously.

Both of the hold charge versions of the forge gun are underperforming and more or less used as infantry blap tools with the worst DPS of any AV.

Swarms and Plasma cannon are more reliably able to kill things.

The Breach Forge Gun is the worst of the lot by far. Not only does it have a 6-second charge time, but it immobilizes you and has the WORST DPS in the AV crowd. I would suggest bringing the DPS to a whopping 420 from 350 at base proto by dropping the charge time to 5 seconds and reducing the movement speed penalty from 100% to 80%.

You obviously don't forge at all. You have no idea what you're talking about. You really mean to tell me that the breach forge has the worst DPS? You obviously haven't tried double teaming an ADS. They go down burning to a pair of PRO breach forge guns.

You hit the weak spot on an armor tank with base HP using a PRO Cal sentinel with proficiency 5 and a PRO breach forge, it WILL be destroyed in one shot. I've nearly done it using the Min sentinel before I got the respec.

You should stop complaining and trying to get AV to be as easy to use as possible.