DUST Search - Requesting Community Help in Racial Vehicle Design

True Adamance wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Secondly check out Artillery Turrets. I seek a significant over haul of large turrets with the intent to push them away from anti infantry capacity (aka Large Blaster dies in a fire) and into high direct damage fire AV.

Whilst I agree that HAVs shouldn't be a primary anti-infantry role, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tools to be anti-infantry...

HAV are primarily support vehicles that are currently filling multiple combat roles (that adding an MAV would help split up), these are Anti-Vehicle Supreme, HAVs represent the End-All-Be-All for directly merc-controlled AV through Anti-Material turrets (Luckily for the tankers, Mercs happen to be made out of material), while providing infantry suppression, and close-fire support (fire base HAV FTW).

If I where to design an Artillery Turret for the Mattari to use, I would focus on the SUPREMELY OMGWTFBBQ Alpha strike it has space-side, while combining it with more interesting mechanics. I would see it as a lobbed weapons...something with a large blast radius, but only a single round in the chamber, and a relatively long re-load timer...vehicles hit by the shell itself would take both Direct Damage and Splash Damage, with the Splash Damage being more effective against vehicles than infantry, but still effective enough to sent the scurrying for a solid roof over their heads...A direct hit would spell the doom of almost any but the most resilient armor tanked tanks, while shield tanks would still take damage, it obviously wouldn't be nearly as bad for them...

Blasters, autocannons, and pulse lasers would still be focused on anti-vehicle, but also still have utility in the IFV role (Tau ion cannons on hammerheads would be a good abstraction of what I'm talking about)

The Railgun should remain as the industrial strength sniper rifle...and should gain some of its range back

Missile Turret needs to actually shoot...I dunno...MISSILES? Or at least rename them to Rocket Launchers or Rocket Shotguns as I've taken to calling them.

Beam Turrets (Tachyon Beam Cannons?) Would be like giant Laser Rifles...Long-Ranged sweaping beam that focuses on DPS instead of Alpha Strike

Sidebar: Increase Laser Rifle Efficacy vs Vehicles as a band-aid for Shield AV and lack of Amarr AV?

Of course you are right.

I simply mean that turret sizes need to be designed for the role than they are indended to logically fulfil.

I challenge the notion that HAV are merely there to "support infantry" and instead suggest that they themselves have their own tactical role kept in mind while they undergo redevelopment.

This role being

- The delivery of Massive Ordinance against heavily entrenched positions and ground based vehicles.

Which means Blasters as they are now (.50 Calibre Machine Guns) need to die a horrific death in fire and much screaming.

I also personally over Tachyon's (cause I can't fit them in EVE" prefer Focused Anode Particle Streams for that extra hint of class. Big smile

Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.


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Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 84	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:25:00 - [1] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Secondly check out Artillery Turrets. I seek a significant over haul of large turrets with the intent to push them away from anti infantry capacity (aka Large Blaster dies in a fire) and into high direct damage fire AV. Whilst I agree that HAVs shouldn't be a primary anti-infantry role, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tools to be anti-infantry... HAV are primarily support vehicles that are currently filling multiple combat roles (that adding an MAV would help split up), these are Anti-Vehicle Supreme, HAVs represent the End-All-Be-All for directly merc-controlled AV through Anti-Material turrets (Luckily for the tankers, Mercs happen to be made out of material), while providing infantry suppression, and close-fire support (fire base HAV FTW). If I where to design an Artillery Turret for the Mattari to use, I would focus on the SUPREMELY OMGWTFBBQ Alpha strike it has space-side, while combining it with more interesting mechanics. I would see it as a lobbed weapons...something with a large blast radius, but only a single round in the chamber, and a relatively long re-load timer...vehicles hit by the shell itself would take both Direct Damage and Splash Damage, with the Splash Damage being more effective against vehicles than infantry, but still effective enough to sent the scurrying for a solid roof over their heads...A direct hit would spell the doom of almost any but the most resilient armor tanked tanks, while shield tanks would still take damage, it obviously wouldn't be nearly as bad for them... Blasters, autocannons, and pulse lasers would still be focused on anti-vehicle, but also still have utility in the IFV role (Tau ion cannons on hammerheads would be a good abstraction of what I'm talking about) The Railgun should remain as the industrial strength sniper rifle...and should gain some of its range back Missile Turret needs to actually shoot...I dunno...MISSILES? Or at least rename them to Rocket Launchers or Rocket Shotguns as I've taken to calling them. Beam Turrets (Tachyon Beam Cannons?) Would be like giant Laser Rifles...Long-Ranged sweaping beam that focuses on DPS instead of Alpha Strike Sidebar: Increase Laser Rifle Efficacy vs Vehicles as a band-aid for Shield AV and lack of Amarr AV? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 86	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:04:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: True Adamance wrote: Secondly check out Artillery Turrets. I seek a significant over haul of large turrets with the intent to push them away from anti infantry capacity (aka Large Blaster dies in a fire) and into high direct damage fire AV. Whilst I agree that HAVs shouldn't be a primary anti-infantry role, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tools to be anti-infantry... HAV are primarily support vehicles that are currently filling multiple combat roles (that adding an MAV would help split up), these are Anti-Vehicle Supreme, HAVs represent the End-All-Be-All for directly merc-controlled AV through Anti-Material turrets (Luckily for the tankers, Mercs happen to be made out of material), while providing infantry suppression, and close-fire support (fire base HAV FTW). If I where to design an Artillery Turret for the Mattari to use, I would focus on the SUPREMELY OMGWTFBBQ Alpha strike it has space-side, while combining it with more interesting mechanics. I would see it as a lobbed weapons...something with a large blast radius, but only a single round in the chamber, and a relatively long re-load timer...vehicles hit by the shell itself would take both Direct Damage and Splash Damage, with the Splash Damage being more effective against vehicles than infantry, but still effective enough to sent the scurrying for a solid roof over their heads...A direct hit would spell the doom of almost any but the most resilient armor tanked tanks, while shield tanks would still take damage, it obviously wouldn't be nearly as bad for them... Blasters, autocannons, and pulse lasers would still be focused on anti-vehicle, but also still have utility in the IFV role (Tau ion cannons on hammerheads would be a good abstraction of what I'm talking about) The Railgun should remain as the industrial strength sniper rifle...and should gain some of its range back Missile Turret needs to actually shoot...I dunno...MISSILES? Or at least rename them to Rocket Launchers or Rocket Shotguns as I've taken to calling them. Beam Turrets (Tachyon Beam Cannons?) Would be like giant Laser Rifles...Long-Ranged sweaping beam that focuses on DPS instead of Alpha Strike Sidebar: Increase Laser Rifle Efficacy vs Vehicles as a band-aid for Shield AV and lack of Amarr AV? Of course you are right. I simply mean that turret sizes need to be designed for the role than they are indended to logically fulfil. I challenge the notion that HAV are merely there to "support infantry" and instead suggest that they themselves have their own tactical role kept in mind while they undergo redevelopment. This role being - The delivery of Massive Ordinance against heavily entrenched positions and ground based vehicles. Which means Blasters as they are now (.50 Calibre Machine Guns) need to die a horrific death in fire and much screaming. I also personally over Tachyon's (cause I can't fit them in EVE" prefer Focused Anode Particle Streams for that extra hint of class. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that infantry support was their only role (although in this game, even heavy ordinance is technically a support role)...rather trying to emphasize that it is the best vehicle we currently have for that role, and that role shouldn't be forgotten about and Tachs are very useful...and relatively easy to fit on the Oracle, Paladin, and Nightmare...SOE Mission running Paladin...because dodging gankers can be fun Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.