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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:51:00 -
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Honestly cause you cant edit their loadout (due to obvious OP PG+CPU) and their modules are all at standard lvl what makes it better then a standard suit fitted with complex modules? I honestly cant see a reason to get them. I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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vlad stoich
Fecal Abortions
249
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:52:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Honestly cause you cant edit their loadout (due to obvious OP PG+CPU) and their modules are all at standard lvl what makes it better then a standard suit fitted with complex modules? I honestly cant see a reason to get them. I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
It gives them a new suit variation and something to spend their isk and LP's on. Boredom maybe. Exploits potentially. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1814
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:53:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Honestly cause you cant edit their loadout (due to obvious OP PG+CPU) and their modules are all at standard lvl what makes it better then a standard suit fitted with complex modules? I honestly cant see a reason to get them. I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
actually you can atm, however its a bug.. so enjoy it while it lasts
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4708
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:53:00 -
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It allows you to nearly mitigate the ISK sink aspect of FW. You just have to worry about paying for the ISK cost of the LP gear, which is not much at all.
My advice to you, playa...
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4500
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:54:00 -
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Because shiny.
...and a lot of people have tons of LP/ISK with nothing to spend it on because the LP stores are still incomplete.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2712
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Posted - 2014.11.11 17:54:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
Pretty much yes.
'Dragonfly' Assault [nSv]Free
Enhanced Shield Extender2,610
Enhanced Shield Extender2,610
Enhanced Shield Extender2,610
Basic Reactive Plates900
SB-39 Rail Rifle10,770
'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun Free
Flux Grenade600
Compact Nanohive900
ISK Estimated Cost:~ 21,000
Shields: 508.75 w/recharge 30/s delay 5s/6.75depleted
Armor: 221.25 w/regen 2.5/s
eHP: 730
Move: 5m/s | 7.35m/s
But the point is, they are technically better then a pure basic/militia BPO suit and good for those who want to make money yet die a crapload. For the rest of us though, with skillz, there are far better ways to make monies.
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
365
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:01:00 -
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It's a long term investment. Personally I'd rather just buy the normal LP proto suits because with that much LP you can literally buy 645 LP proto suits, or even a couple hundred that are fully fitted with LP proto modules and weapons.
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
138
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:02:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Honestly cause you cant edit their loadout (due to obvious OP PG+CPU) and their modules are all at standard lvl what makes it better then a standard suit fitted with complex modules? I honestly cant see a reason to get them. I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
I'm gonna try to explain you...  (what I think)
In public battles, I almost all the time use my Dragonfly Assault (Caldari)....
.... fitted like that : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5538
or like that : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/8625
The APEX caldassault suit is like that : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/9142
To compare my first Dragonfly and the APEX
Are the same :
- damage mod
- nano
- shield HP
- speed
Dragonfly has better :
- shield regen (+7HP/s)
- more armor repair (+6HP/s)
- better grenades (ADV vs STA)
- my favourite weapons (Ok, it's not a very important thing, but...)
APEX has better :
- armor HP
- scan precision (lol  )
- shield regulation (-1.5 sec)
As you see, they are almost balanced, the only BIG difference between both is the price...
I pay 15 000 ISK for my Dragonfly, and the APEX is free.
That would become a good fit for FW
But
That's just a fit for people who play with STA suits.
If you always play ADV or PRO, forget thoses suits, they are useless
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2120
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:14:00 -
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Looking at the stats and the gimped fittings, I can't think of a reason to buy one. |
Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
139
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Looking at the stats and the gimped fittings, I can't think of a reason to buy one.
Simply don't buy one, do you ? 
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
975
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:18:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Looking at the stats and the gimped fittings, I can't think of a reason to buy one.
They're meant for FW, so that you don't have to slowly bleed ISK playing it.
They aren't some endgame item. More of a utility item that only really useful for 2-3 things.
Swag-suit4lyfe!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13615
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:22:00 -
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You do realize that these are for new players right?
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
139
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:22:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Looking at the stats and the gimped fittings, I can't think of a reason to buy one. They're meant for FW, so that you don't have to slowly bleed ISK playing it. They aren't some endgame item. More of a utility item that only really useful for 2-3 things.
I have a thought.
If you (or someone else) wants an APEX fit, but doesn't wanna buy it by AUR
You would have to play FW, wouldn't you ?
Sooooooooooooo....
All the battles should play... You would play with suits... hm ? And I think you'ld pay thoses suits ?
So I don't understand...
Pay and loose ISK playing FW to buy a fit not to loose ISK in FW any more ?
LOL that's a joke hahaha
(I'm not kidding you of course, just I'm trying to say it funny  )
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
139
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:You do realize that these are for new players right?
Not completely.
Quote: Veteran Player
The APEX-Series are incredibly useful for Factional Warfare to minimize ISK losses while remaining competitive, as well as investigating and trying out different roles to spec into.
I hope you share my enthusiasm for this addition to the DUST 514 armory, and look forward to seeing some of these in action very soon!
Kind regards,
CCP Rattati
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
1966
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:25:00 -
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Badge of honor and they look cool as sh*t
Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
979
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:31:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Badge of honor and they look cool as sh*t
Just my Opinion, but they don't even look all that great. Some of the color schemes seem, idk...
Gold and Platinum sounds great in in my mind, but the execution looks more like dirty yellow plastic and a half-assed digital arctic camo.
Quafe suits are still the best lookers on the market (although they aren't on the market anymore)...
Swag-suit4lyfe!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13616
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:43:00 -
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Killer's Coys wrote:
[...]
Alternatively...
CCP Rattati wrote:I don't agree that "nothing" is sacred. This is carefully designed to help new players more than veterans. And no, no proto BPO's unless pre-designed so they are not op.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
608
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:You do realize that these are for new players right?
I think it's silly claiming that these are for new players, considering you need 10 mil ISK and 100k LP to get them. That, or fork out 50k AUR on a free to play game you just started playing...
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
193
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:52:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Honestly cause you cant edit their loadout (due to obvious OP PG+CPU) and their modules are all at standard lvl what makes it better then a standard suit fitted with complex modules? I honestly cant see a reason to get them. I could just use a regular assault suit and stuff complex modules on it with a standard gun and it would probs be better then those new suits.
Indeed, I just tried it on protofits.com, if you use a STD suit fitted with better modules, you'll have an overall better suit than their APEX crap, for about 20K ISK all the time.
20K isk is nothing, still makes you have a good profit per battle, and doesn't ask you to grind your ass off to get 100k LP. Ho, and before using it enough to make your APEX worth the price, you'll have to pay 10M ISK to get it + all the money you lost in FW losing suits and earning LP instead of ISK. Better pay a 20k suit, even in a long term investment ^^
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13616
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:03:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Atiim wrote:You do realize that these are for new players right? I think it's silly claiming that these are for new players, considering you need 10 mil ISK and 100k LP to get them. That, or fork out 50k AUR on a free to play game you just started playing...
CCP's words, not mine.
Though a PRO BPO should be relatively expensive, even for new players.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
535
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:07:00 -
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The LP variant is mainly only avaible for actual FW vets and a ISK sink if you dont use BPO suits. it takes alot of time to get the 100k LP and i highly doubt that a newbie has the patience to play that long to get the suit.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4709
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Atiim wrote:You do realize that these are for new players right? I think it's silly claiming that these are for new players, considering you need 10 mil ISK and 100k LP to get them. That, or fork out 50k AUR on a free to play game you just started playing... CCP's words, not mine. Though a PRO BPO should be relatively expensive, even for new players.
So FW rank determines how much LP you are awarded after each match. New players will have a rank of 0 (or maybe 1 if they dabbled in FW). They will earn LP the slowest. While they earn the LP while they will are losing ISK on dropsuits unless they run nothing but starter fittings... so it becomes a grind for 100,000 LP then 10mil ISK.
Veterans wiped their ass with 10mil ISK and will have higher FW ranks. It will take them less time to earn the 100k LP necessary to purchase an APEX dropsuit.
Lie to my face and tell me this change was for new players.
We are talking hundreds of FW matches for a new player to endure before he can buy a single APEX dropsuit.
Alternatively, they can buy one for $30 on a F2P game they just started playing...
My advice to you, playa...
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
347
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:12:00 -
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Aslong as we pretend players die once per match, then it seems like an all BPO suit is a joke. Sure you can squeeze out a cheap 20 k isk suit similarly fit. Loose 4 or 5 you're out half of your battle earnings. Loose an all BPO heavy 10 times you're not loosing anything.
Even the regular BP0 suits require and isk investment for the modules and the weapons.
Running matches at 100% isk reward with zero risk, packing a much bigger punch than the frontline suits. Its not about everybody else having spending isk to fight you. Its about never having to worry about running low on isk again.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1110
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:14:00 -
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The Amarr Assault is a very nice setup if you have your cores maxed + Assault 5 + ScR Prof 5.
It feels about like a well fitted medium suit which is the highest level suit I run anyway. The day the rest of the Amarr ones are released I will only have 2 sets of fittings, the BPOs and a similar set that is full proto using mostly LP for when we are up against proto stompers.
Essentially my play style will stay exactly as is except I will lose zero isk in FW and I will make 100% profit in pubs. |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
347
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:14:00 -
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Aslong as we pretend players die once per match, then it seems like an all BPO suit is a joke. Sure you can squeeze out a cheap 20 k isk suit similarly fit. Loose 4 or 5 you're out half of your battle earnings. Loose an all BPO heavy 10 times you're not loosing anything.
Even the regular BP0 suits require and isk investment for the modules and the weapons.
Running matches at 100% isk reward with zero risk, packing a much bigger punch than the frontline suits. Its not about everybody else having spending isk to fight you. Its about you never having to worry about running low on isk again.
100% profit.
Until the server shuts down.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
3109
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:22:00 -
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For the swag of dropping in a suit named after me?
Plus the cost of the suit is actually zero, you have everything, weapons, modules and equipments, most of all equipments (the 4th).
Join channel: FW Kickstarter
More people in = more FW matches
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
347
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:34:00 -
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You can check them all on Proto fits, the minmatar heavy fit looks pretty good. 1225 ehp, Std HMG BPO, std Submachine gun BPO, its going to be a beast
Gallente heavy BPO same weapons but 1312 hp.
As long as you have a good logi buddy, imagine the kills and isk you would make running the gallente suit for free. No needle, just two guys with reptools and you're golden.
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
141
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:
[...]
Alternatively...CCP Rattati wrote:I don't agree that "nothing" is sacred. This is carefully designed to help new players more than veterans. And no, no proto BPO's unless pre-designed so they are not op.
GG
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4522
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:20:00 -
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Because they're solid gold, mofo!
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:46:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Because they're solid gold, mofo!
They should sprint at 3m at best, now that I think about it.
HO MY GOD ! It's FAKE gold ????
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