DUST Search - Let's call the proto BPO's what they are...

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

WARxion ForDUST wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about.

The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service.

It wasn't -COMPLETELY- about cosmetics. Sure the $70 monocle had a lot to do with it but there was also the threat of gameplay changing pay-for items. The subscription factor had a lot to do with it as well but ultimately the entirety of Jita Riots revolved around the aspect that CCP was intending to allow microtransactions for non-vanity "Pay-to-Win" materials; something that seems to change in meaning to fit the agenda with Dust 514.

It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme.

Actually, the Jita riots were about a bunch of players who were too stupid to realize that the newsletter they got this "threat of gameplay changing pay-for items" thing from was an intentional "devil's advocate" piece in an internal-only newsletter, and was never actually going to happen.

What does it matter? We're -actually getting- gameplay changing pay-for-items. Something I personally think is well worth a riot over if people weren't so damn short sighted to just eat up their delicious shiny and dispute whether or not it's pay to win.

You're permanently saving ISK by spending real money. Congratulations, you just circumvented everything that Eve Online was about. There's no sand castle destruction with that.

"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro"

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4690	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:35:00 - [1] - Quote Faction Warfare starter fittings. Except, unlike the free fittings everyone has on day 1, you have to grind your heart out for them My advice to you, playa...

CCP Rattati C C P 11139	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:46:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Faction Warfare starter fittings. Except, unlike the free fittings everyone has on day 1, you have to grind your heart out for them Nice, I expected this link "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1679	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote I take it as a status symbol. Kind of wish they were locked behind a certain level of Factional Standing though. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 143	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:47:00 - [4] - Quote Wow, a blue tag in less than 20 min. I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4691	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:53:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Nice, I expected this link Wow. Can we just have 'premium' dropsuits then? I mean, ISK and SP aren't really a priority or form of progression anymore so why restrict players? Full-proto BPOs for a reasonable amount of aurum or insane amounts of ISK. OH! Can we have active booster-like qualities to these dropsuits?! I mean, when you play a match entirely in your proto BPO dropsuit you get +50% SP earned. My advice to you, playa...
WARxion ForDUST G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:53:00 - [6] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Wow, a blue tag in less than 20 min. Rattati is on fire. Yes, I'm that desperate...
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15002	Posted - 2014.11.11 13:55:00 - [7] - Quote Stupid infantry. Proto BPOs before we even have LP ADS sigh Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+ Bitter Vet extraordinaire
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7168	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:02:00 - [8] - Quote Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. Long-Term Roadmap This Player is Against Proto BPOs
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4691	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:04:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. We can't riot, silly. We can't even leave our merc quarters What are we going to do, quit? That will just cut down on veterans stomping new people; which I imagine CCP would actually really enjoy. My advice to you, playa...
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1680	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:05:00 - [10] - Quote It would be nice if I could rename the suit to fall within my naming scheme. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...

WARxion ForDUST G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:05:00 - [11] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. Yes, I'm that desperate...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1806	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:06:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. we have no outlet to riot and people are too stupid to even try riot. we only have the forums.. and whineing [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
vlad stoich Fecal Abortions 245	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:24:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Faction Warfare starter fittings. Except, unlike the free fittings everyone has on day 1, you have to grind your heart out for them I would have called that a pizz poor attempt at another cash grab. It is becoming a joke.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7168	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:26:00 - [14] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. It wasn't -COMPLETELY- about cosmetics. Sure the $70 monocle had a lot to do with it but there was also the threat of gameplay changing pay-for items. The subscription factor had a lot to do with it as well but ultimately the entirety of Jita Riots revolved around the aspect that CCP was intending to allow microtransactions for non-vanity "Pay-to-Win" materials; something that seems to change in meaning to fit the agenda with Dust 514. It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme. Long-Term Roadmap This Player is Against Proto BPOs
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4519	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:29:00 - [15] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I take it as a status symbol. Kind of wish they were locked behind a certain level of Factional Standing though. You would probably have to save all your LP from LEVEL 1 to 4 or 5, anyways lol
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4695	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:35:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme. Militia and standard BPOs didn't bother me. You are trading performance for ISK efficiency. Good for saving up ISK, but you are bound to get stomped unless you switch to an advanced fitting when the need arises. CCP made too much money on those militia/standard BPOs. They are on-time purchases and the market is probably saturated with them. Now they have to keep up with the "BPO arms race" to keep us purchasing more aurum. My advice to you, playa...
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5412	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. Actually, the in-company newsletter that was leaked had a discussion inside it on whether or not to allow players to BUY Loyalty Points and Skillpoints for AURUM. If you go back through EVE Search and find the threads you will notice that people started getting REALLY mad when that happened. Also, it was a monocle for your avatar that cost $70 while the game had longstanding playability issues and the community was pretty much being ignored about everything. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 28	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:35:00 - [18] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I take it as a status symbol. Kind of wish they were locked behind a certain level of Factional Standing though. You would still be paying to get them though. Isn't like 95% of the FS based on Aurum purchases? I saw a player "study" on here somewhere. If i find the topic, I'll edit this post w/ the link url. "Welcome my son. Welcome to the machine..."
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:36:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Faction Warfare starter fittings. Except, unlike the free fittings everyone has on day 1, you have to grind your heart out for them Nice, I expected this link Rat, they're just too meh to be pay to win. If these are for new players, how am I supposed to convince a new player that the experience he has had in Dust is worth dropping $25 BEFORE he has the suit that would make his game more tolerable? For veteran players these things are indeed entirely useless. Since they're behind a huge grind/pay wall, there's no real opportunity to get people into them quickly enough to open up higher level play very much, either. If Fac War paid off a TEENSY bit more maybe I could see PC corps starting to queue sync FW massively to try to farm for these things, but ultimately that's still stymied by the fact that we can't really retain new players for long enough to get that grind. Plus, without the ability to at least switch out the STD mods for different STD mods there's really no way you could use them for making PC more accessible either way. So yes, my response isn't "lolP2W", it's more like: meh. Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4498	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:52:00 - [20] - Quote Let's call the proto BPO's what they are... At best marginally better than normal BPO's. At least I can drop a ADV weapon and some complex mods on my other ones. Don't see the big deal, TBH. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

WARxion ForDUST G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:55:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. Actually, the in-company newsletter that was leaked had a discussion inside it on whether or not to allow players to BUY Loyalty Points and Skillpoints for AURUM. If you go back through EVE Search and find the threads you will notice that people started getting REALLY mad when that happened. Also, it was a monocle for your avatar that cost $70 while the game had longstanding playability issues and the community was pretty much being ignored about everything. Thanks for the remind! Now you see guys, that was bad. This isn't bad. Yes, I'm that desperate...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4670	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:55:00 - [22] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. It wasn't -COMPLETELY- about cosmetics. Sure the $70 monocle had a lot to do with it but there was also the threat of gameplay changing pay-for items. The subscription factor had a lot to do with it as well but ultimately the entirety of Jita Riots revolved around the aspect that CCP was intending to allow microtransactions for non-vanity "Pay-to-Win" materials; something that seems to change in meaning to fit the agenda with Dust 514. It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme. Actually, the Jita riots were about a bunch of players who were too stupid to realize that the newsletter they got this "threat of gameplay changing pay-for items" thing from was an intentional "devil's advocate" piece in an internal-only newsletter, and was never actually going to happen. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 937	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote Lets call Proto BPOs what they are... A effing live-test for the Legion progression model. Externally green light the damn thing already. I see you hiding back there Rouge and Z, behind Rattati's thrown of dust awesomeness. Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 957	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:56:00 - [24] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Let's call the proto BPO's what they are... At best marginally better than normal BPO's. At least I can drop a ADV weapon and some complex mods on my other ones. Don't see the big deal, TBH. Pretty much. They perform like shitfit ADV suits with the ISK efficiency of a Starter suit. And they're obtainable without AUR. Not really P2W... Swag-suit4lyfe!
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7175	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:27:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about ****** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. It wasn't -COMPLETELY- about cosmetics. Sure the $70 monocle had a lot to do with it but there was also the threat of gameplay changing pay-for items. The subscription factor had a lot to do with it as well but ultimately the entirety of Jita Riots revolved around the aspect that CCP was intending to allow microtransactions for non-vanity "Pay-to-Win" materials; something that seems to change in meaning to fit the agenda with Dust 514. It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme. Actually, the Jita riots were about a bunch of players who were too stupid to realize that the newsletter they got this "threat of gameplay changing pay-for items" thing from was an intentional "devil's advocate" piece in an internal-only newsletter, and was never actually going to happen. What does it matter? We're -actually getting- gameplay changing pay-for-items. Something I personally think is well worth a riot over if people weren't so damn short sighted to just eat up their delicious shiny and dispute whether or not it's pay to win. You're permanently saving ISK by spending real money. Congratulations, you just circumvented everything that Eve Online was about. There's no sand castle destruction with that. Long-Term Roadmap This Player is Against Proto BPOs
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2415	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:34:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apparently we've forgotten what the Jita Riots were all about. The Jita riots were in a scrubscription based game about **** cosmetic stuff. It was pretty stupid, I was there it was annoying as hell. DUST is completely different story, its a F2P game without any paywalls. You can get everything for free in this game except the respecs service. It wasn't -COMPLETELY- about cosmetics. Sure the $70 monocle had a lot to do with it but there was also the threat of gameplay changing pay-for items. The subscription factor had a lot to do with it as well but ultimately the entirety of Jita Riots revolved around the aspect that CCP was intending to allow microtransactions for non-vanity "Pay-to-Win" materials; something that seems to change in meaning to fit the agenda with Dust 514. It started out as Militia BPOs... Then it evolved into Standard BPOs... Now we have Prototype BPO's - BUT IT'S OKAY, THEY'RE PRE-FITTED WITH STANDARD GEAR! Calling Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy but evidence is showing that that is less likely a fallacy so much as a consistent theme. Actually, the Jita riots were about a bunch of players who were too stupid to realize that the newsletter they got this "threat of gameplay changing pay-for items" thing from was an intentional "devil's advocate" piece in an internal-only newsletter, and was never actually going to happen. What does it matter? We're -actually getting- gameplay changing pay-for-items. Something I personally think is well worth a riot over if people weren't so damn short sighted to just eat up their delicious shiny and dispute whether or not it's pay to win. You're permanently saving ISK by spending real money. Congratulations, you just circumvented everything that Eve Online was about. There's no sand castle destruction with that. Aeon, I sympathise with you mate. I really do. But this has been the writing on the wall since the end of Chromosome. Why do you think some of us harp on about Chrome so damn much? As soon as uprising came, the long slippery (and sometimes short and aggravating) slope was put before us. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big fk-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 768	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:38:00 - [27] - Quote These suits are a taster for Legion. The slow blade penetrates the shield.


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