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Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:44:00 - [1] - Quote So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see?
manboar thunder fist xTHExKKKx 235	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:45:00 - [2] - Quote It's pretty easy, only scout haters complain cloak is op. Anyone decent says cloak is a tool to fool the blues. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 769	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:53:00 - [3] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? Yes, yes it is. Buff the Clacks! Seriously buff them. My Assault MK.0 is OP. Seriously. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 244	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:08:00 - [4] - Quote In high light areas scouts can not be seen at all judge made a video with examples. I didn't use the cloak to balance myself along with side arms, but I would not use it at all since the delay and ewar **** in my eyes it was completely broken. They made it so it is only useful for alpha weapon users which is a shame. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5851	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:10:00 - [5] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? If you are sitting tight, staying completley still, while having 2 or 3 cx profile dampeners. You are slightly ok. If you are moving you are just a blurry cloud traversing the battlefield. Not to mention if you Scan profile is too high you will apear with an ORANGE TRIANGLE above your head, regardless of cloak XD Yes. They are pretty easy to see. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10203	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:11:00 - [6] - Quote As long as you don't use it in dark areas and make sure you only use it when you're running along brightly-lit open spaces, you're ok with the cloak. The blue shimmer it creates when moving makes you a visible target in dark areas because of the high contrast. Also, if you ever find yourself in a map with the toxic mood, you can get around easier without the cloak. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 596	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:18:00 - [7] - Quote I find the cloak immensely useful. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5756	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:26:00 - [8] - Quote What suit are you wearing it on? Are you dampened? If you are wearing it on a suit that has insufficient dampening, even if you are cloaked you will show up on tacnet and have a red chevron over your head. I occasionally get sniped, because crosshairs always turn red over a cloaked scout, however it is much less of a problem than when I am uncloaked. If you run a cloak as if you can be seen you will be killed less often. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Foehammerr OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 103	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? You, like so many others assume the cloak, and camouflage in general, does/should make someone impossible to see. This is incorrect. Camouflage is designed to make one harder to spot and less likely to be detected by breaking up the user's silhouette. Moving fast is a surefire way to get spotted as the human eye reacts to more sudden, colorful changes in the environment better than slower moving, dull colored stimuli or colors more resembling the environment. Don't use cloaks expecting free range of motion. Any attentive soldier would find you clear as day running around with your cloak shimmering like a diamond. Go slow instead, especially in urban areas. Don't be afraid to tiptoe if you have to. The only time you should run with a cloak is if you have to break contact and get out of town fast. Your persuers will be searching for a shimmering ghost running away. Use this opportunity to round a corner and hold still if possible. There's a 50/50 chance that if you had enough of a lead, they'll walk right past if your cloak holds. At this point you'd run in the direction you came from and put as much distance as possible between you and your assailants. This, in combination with damp leads to maximum effectiveness of the cloak. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:47:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What suit are you wearing it on? Are you dampened? If you are wearing it on a suit that has insufficient dampening, even if you are cloaked you will show up on tacnet and have a red chevron over your head. I occasionally get sniped, because crosshairs always turn red over a cloaked scout, however it is much less of a problem than when I am uncloaked. If you run a cloak as if you can be seen you will be killed less often. Ah I added dampeners and have found a little improvement.

Ace Boone 370	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:56:00 - [11] - Quote The cloak just gives extra dampening while helping you stay unseen in the enemies peripheral. It doesn't make you invisible, but it does, however, force the enemy to take a couple split seconds longer to actually see you, which gives enough time to get close so you can gank them. Only loyal to the republic.
manboar thunder fist xTHExKKKx 239	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:59:00 - [12] - Quote Use your squad mates to provide distracting fire while you leap over railings and make your gameplay vertical, makes much more use of the cloak in its niche, turning you into a target much more agile and deadly in the enemy's mind, and psychology is half the battle NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 491	Posted - 2014.11.11 01:53:00 - [13] - Quote It's not that they spot you easly. Sniper rifles are just broken. Almost every enemy highlights inside scope. No matter if you use cloak. Or if you're behind wall. Inside scope, you are glowing dot. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 152	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:22:00 - [14] - Quote I never understood how an invisibility cloak doesn't render you completley invisible. Harry potter would be very disappointed.
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2960	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:13:00 - [15] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? Being cloaked doesn't make you invisible - it was never designed to make you invisible. It was designed to make you hard to see. If you are runing, you are visible if someone pays attention. Also, a cloak doesn't remove you from the minimap. You will still appear, and if you do appear on the minimap you will also have a red chevron over your head. The issue here is that you were expecting invisibility. The best cloaked scouts combine the cloak with profile dampeners. This is what you should look into to make yourself less noticable (though you will still be visible if they look at you and you are running. Tip: stand still. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4512	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:16:00 - [16] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: It's pretty easy, only scout haters complain cloak is op. Anyone decent says cloak is a tool to fool the blues. Pretty much, in my experience.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5890	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:40:00 - [17] - Quote It depends on your enemy and how aware they're. Snipers tend to have keen sight because many of them are looming for counter Snipers. Many times enemy Snipers appear as little more than rocks on top of a hill and yet they still have to distinguish whether it's an actual person or not. So they're quick to pick up on a blue tinted blob moving across the open. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 122	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:49:00 - [18] - Quote The tougher and more organized your opponent, the less useful you'll find your cloak. * And cross your fingers for a daylight / outside map.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 202	Posted - 2014.11.11 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? Nope. Snipers of course just don't belong(but any weapon with very high magnification can see cloak as long as the gun is not too far) Besides that cloak can't really be seen unless a rendering issue occurs. "He is a madman, cackling behind a mountain of irrelevant data. " - DUST Fiend, Redberricus, 21:30
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10214	Posted - 2014.11.11 05:13:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It depends on your enemy and how aware they're. Snipers tend to have keen sight because many of them are looming for counter Snipers. Many times enemy Snipers appear as little more than rocks on top of a hill and yet they still have to distinguish whether it's an actual person or not. So they're quick to pick up on a blue tinted blob moving across the open. Vitantur Nothus wrote: The tougher and more organized your opponent, the less useful you'll find your cloak. And this is why I adapted to not use the cloak anymore unless I have no other choice. I have learned to use the environment to my advantage and so far I have become far more successful without it than I was with it. I don't make rash choices anymore, I check every corner I turn, et cetera. I have also learned a few things about EWAR (or lack of it) on a Minscout. For starters, I have learned over time that even though a scout's passive scan can see through walls of structures, it is unable to see through a boulder. That's right. A rock is an effective profile dampener against passive scans versus a man-made wall. Of course, it appears that active scanners are not hindered by this at all. I noticed this when I spotted an assault sniper on a hill only after I passed around a sharp hill. He was well within range of my passive scans but he didn't appear on my minimap until I passed around the hill. This is different compared to how my passive scan can see the same assault through the wall of a building. Interesting. Another thing is that I started developing a more heightened sense of hearing. After realizing the affect the terrain has on my passive scans, and consequently that of my opponents, I realized that I had to rely on my hearing more to get an idea of where my target would be. Sniper shots are especially loud and you can gauge direction and distance with that noise. But the terrain can often fool the uninitiated. Just because you hear a sniper doesn't mean they are alone. And if the terrain can hide the sniper from your powerful passive precision, you will not be able to see who might be with them until you finally run over the ledge or hill. An active scanner can help, but you would only be alerting them to your presence and that would only ruin your element of surprise. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 492	Posted - 2014.11.11 09:48:00 - [21] - Quote Deciding not to use a cloak isn't that smart. People tell that it can be easly spoted. Yes if you're runing right next to enemy or in his sight line. But that isn't the way to use it. The point is, that it helps. RR won't insta kill you from 80+m. And it's a way to kill tanked scouts. Ps. Also sweet escapes. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2237	Posted - 2014.11.11 10:04:00 - [22] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: One Eyed King wrote: What suit are you wearing it on? Are you dampened? If you are wearing it on a suit that has insufficient dampening, even if you are cloaked you will show up on tacnet and have a red chevron over your head. I occasionally get sniped, because crosshairs always turn red over a cloaked scout, however it is much less of a problem than when I am uncloaked. If you run a cloak as if you can be seen you will be killed less often. Ah I added dampeners and have found a little improvement. So true I have a lightly armored scout with complex everything when it comes to scanning and it fails to pick up a tank sitting 10M from me. When it comes to dampeners I have found I still can be scanned. I only have 2 lows and even that is not working and I have all my skills to 5. So how is it I am being scanned, I should not be but I am. I am growing tired of the cloak scout and will find another role to play with. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1103	Posted - 2014.11.11 10:40:00 - [23] - Quote The cloak is only good if you know how to use it. Things like staying at the edge of a players peripheral vision and staying out of wide open spaces that a player is already scanning visually are the only way it gets good use. Basically do not act like everyone playing the game is using a CRT television and you will do better with it. PRO cloaks are also good when it comes to getting that little boost to fall under the radar. Be very careful listening to this info as I am ****** with the cloak.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 187	Posted - 2014.11.11 10:45:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The cloak is only good if you know how to use it. Things like staying at the edge of a players peripheral vision and staying out of wide open spaces that a player is already scanning visually are the only way it gets good use. Basically do not act like everyone playing the game is using a CRT television and you will do better with it. PRO cloaks are also good when it comes to getting that little boost to fall under the radar. Be very careful listening to this info as I am ****** with the cloak. I am also pretty shash with the cloak but I agree it's an excellent tool and good for real scouting. If you think it's going to help you in a fire fight then you're in for a disappointment! basically the two extremes of opinion about the cloak seem to be "it's OP!!" and "it's UP!!" where the truth is pretty much right in the middle. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1103	Posted - 2014.11.11 10:52:00 - [25] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The cloak is only good if you know how to use it. Things like staying at the edge of a players peripheral vision and staying out of wide open spaces that a player is already scanning visually are the only way it gets good use. Basically do not act like everyone playing the game is using a CRT television and you will do better with it. PRO cloaks are also good when it comes to getting that little boost to fall under the radar. Be very careful listening to this info as I am ****** with the cloak. I am also pretty shash with the cloak but I agree it's an excellent tool and good for real scouting. If you think it's going to help you in a fire fight then you're in for a disappointment! basically the two extremes of opinion about the cloak seem to be "it's OP!!" and "it's UP!!" where the truth is pretty much right in the middle. This is why I really do not understand the debate over firing while cloaked. That does no good if you try to rush someone anywhere in their line of sight. Maybe cloaks are balanced and eyes are what really is not. GG = Get Glasses
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4859	Posted - 2014.11.11 11:02:00 - [26] - Quote If it was JUST the cloak it wouldn't be an issue. Same with EWAR, speed, NK and shotty damage, REs, near-assault tank, strafe speed, etc. One of each of these things is not a problem. TWO of these things isn't a problem. It's combining All of them that creates the problem. Players always fixate on whichever aspect of it they find the most frustrating. For me EWAR and the lack of inertia drive me nuts because they both are loaded with easily exploited, bad mechanics. Other people fixate on the cloak, or the shotgun, REs or near ASSAULT HP. But it's one of those situations where no one part of the picture holds the answer. It is simply synergy with unintended side effects. The problem is that the most vocal scout players are having fun and when they respond they give the impression that they don't care if everyone else is miserable so long as they get to keep rocking OHK backshots for the LULz It's kinda like sentinel players. Half would rather play assault but want to be competitive so they go fat. The other half is oblivious or keeping quiet hoping Rattati doesn't torch the class. But rather like the ADS if tge players don't offer realistic ways to tone back the obnoxious spam/behavior/brokenness then the remaining Devs will rebalance the way THEY think will work and the rest of us are gonna be left going "what the hell just happened?" EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 172	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:27:00 - [27] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: The tougher and more organized your opponent, the less useful you'll find your cloak. * And cross your fingers for a daylight / outside map. Thats why almost every scout in PC equips a cloak? Why do people even say things when it clearly conflicts with reality?
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5414	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:41:00 - [28] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? The cloak effect as it is right now has an issue with lighting you up like a Christmas tree at certain times of the day. If the map looks like twilight with the sun on the horizon, don't cloak. You'll just be easily visible. Cloaks work best on maps with bright, direct sunlight. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5776	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:31:00 - [29] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: The tougher and more organized your opponent, the less useful you'll find your cloak. * And cross your fingers for a daylight / outside map. Thats why almost every scout in PC equips a cloak? Why do people even say things when it clearly conflicts with reality? The reason they do that is because CCP directly tied EWAR to cloak. Everyone but Gal scouts NEED a proto cloak to avoid scans. Its not an option. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 133	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:10:00 - [30] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: The tougher and more organized your opponent, the less useful you'll find your cloak. * And cross your fingers for a daylight / outside map. Thats why almost every scout in PC equips a cloak? Why do people even say things when it clearly conflicts with reality? The reason they do that is because CCP directly tied EWAR to cloak. Everyone but Gal scouts NEED a proto cloak to avoid scans. Its not an option. In PC, it also comes in handy when attacking / defending outside letters. Because outside. Point being, its "visual effect" isn't likely to fool anyone indoors (or in dark settings) except for the inexperienced, inattentive and/or distracted.

Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 21	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:36:00 - [31] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: So I recently trained into cloaking and have instantly noticed that I get sniped ALOT. Snipers can apparently see me easily while cloaked but not only that, I have noticed enemy cloaks so easily now. Surely this defeats the point of cloak? Is cloak far too easy to see? I use the cloak in some of my Ambush matches and I find it really helpful. On the flip side though if someone tries to use a cloak against me it will not benefit them at all. I'm not a sniper; I play close-quarter and medium-range combat with the Assault Rifle. I am able to identify cloaked people moving around really easily even at far distances because I am very quick when it comes to observing minuscule changes in color pattern. Also, the players in this game move at consistent speeds. If you sprint whatever character you are using will always run at the same speed until the stamina is depleted and then even when you are walking along your character is still moving at a consistent specific speed. Because of the consistent movement speeds of characters all I have to do is spot a cloaked person for a split second, just long enough to gauge his speed, and I am then able to imagine them moving across my screen allowing me to shoot that person without me truly being able to see them. I have played a lot of matches where my teammates fail to identify at close-range a person who is cloaked and it blows my mind. I guess it just depends on the person. Some people can focus on more minute details that appear on the screen than others.
manboar thunder fist xTHExKKKx 242	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:15:00 - [32] - Quote With an auto fire weapon just wait for 2 consecutive hits then strafe Along to naturally follow a target running NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 324	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:30:00 - [33] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: One Eyed King wrote: What suit are you wearing it on? Are you dampened? If you run a cloak as if you can be seen you will be killed less often. Ah I added dampeners and have found a little improvement. Nice thread. Serves as a Feedback on the Cloak. The only thing that I didn't see discussed was the possibility that the new, more detailed rendering of objects that 1.9 has brought, is also helping SEE the tell-tale signs of a cloaked enemy better now. Foehammer's explanation is the one I like the best. Cloaks MUST stay hard to use, and restrictive---or else we're all going be swallowed by a cloak-epidemic in Dust. It should be most helpful for sneaking from Point A to B or for avoiding getting into a shootout (a true Scout's needs). It should be riddled with limitations and let you down alot if you only plan to use it for killing unseen and waiting to ambush bystandards (when you do that, you're really just using it as a Ninja assassin's inviso-trick--- yeah it's fun, but it needs to be kept to a minimum for the sake of the other players in the game). Foehammer seems to understand this difference well----good for him! Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.


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