bonus for zero deaths just encourages more risk aversion and sniper nesting.

I have less than half a million in my wallet at all times. Chances are, if I die more than 5 times, I go negative.

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I really don't know man, i have the impression that the isk payouts are slightly higher now, maybe is cuz of my rank (7th <3) but after i've done the respec i run a usually run an std galmando adv AR,PLC, 1 adv armour plate and 1 proto amour rep and it costs me around 47k if i'm not wrong, so i must rely just on kills and av to get warpoints and if i'm on the winning side I can still earn some isk even if i die like 5-6 times, if you play solo in a pub match with a proto you have to consider the possibility that you'll probably lose money.I really don't understand your issue with the payouts.I don't mean to offend anybody that's just my point of view.

to avert the sniper 0 death bonus you could have isk calculated by damage dealt and taken addes together and then devided by deaths. It would push more people to take more risks as you would also get paid for takinv damage too.

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I really don't know man, i have the impression that the isk payouts are slightly higher now, maybe is cuz of my rank (7th <3) but after i've done the respec i run a usually run an std galmando adv AR,PLC, 1 adv armour plate and 1 proto amour rep and it costs me around 47k if i'm not wrong, so i must rely just on kills and av to get warpoints and if i'm on the winning side I can still earn some isk even if i die like 5-6 times, if you play solo in a pub match with a proto you have to consider the possibility that you'll probably lose money.I really don't understand your issue with the payouts.I don't mean to offend anybody that's just my point of view.

the isk payouts are only higher because of your relitive HIGH rank where as us people at the bottom of the pile get sweet FA cause we didnt buy/spend enough aurum

I have an Advanced Gallente Assault Medium Dropsuit fitting that is pretty cheap (about 44,000 ISK) that I use when I am trying to save up money so I can restock my Prototype Gallente Assault Medium Dropsuits but my Prototype Dropsuit fittings run me about 100,000 to 140,000 ISK (used to cost me as much as 180,000 ISK).

With the current ISK payout I am not earning much, if anything at all, with most of the matches I play now since 1.9 was released.

I think players, like me, who storm into battle to break down what ever stronghold the enemy has established should be rewarded for the risks they take in doing that.

As for my impression on this ISK payout I would say for me I am positive my payout amount has dropped. Right now this is probably the longest I have ever gone without earning an ISK amount in the 300,000 range.


You mention that one should expect to lose ISK when playing public matches using a Proto suit and I have seen other people say the same thing. I have not played any matches besides Public Contracts so I don't have any basis for comparison. Are there more crappy players in the Factional Contracts or something?

Because people with lower Loyalty rank are getting less ISK than you. By a pretty high margin I might add.

Risking proto suits is actually more rewarding now simply because WINS and WP are what levels up your loyalty rank.

Don't know about you, but I'm going to be doing everything I can to win a match now because a 10% boost in ISK payouts is well worth any financial risk.

The proto suit should be used just for PC or if you'r in a good squad of protospompers and you know that somebody will eventually pick you up. My advice is that you invest some SP in the Core skills so that you can fit all your stuff on a basic suit (trust me it makes the difference).You should also reconsider charging into a sea of redberries expecially if yoo know that it'll cost you that much.

PC are Corporation Matches, right? If so I don't really currently have the option for that. I am part of my friends Corporation but he doesn't, nor do any of the other 5 or 6 people in the Corporation, really play Dust and they do not attempt to take over galaxies/expand their territory or whatever it is you do in Eve. I'm still taxed by the Corporation at 6% though which is bullshit. I pay taxes and literally receive no benefit for it. I need to join a new Corporation.

As for the SP and the Core Skills I started making that investment the moment I started playing this game. I can fit my Advanced Suits into something very special but I love my Proto Suits and investing in the Core Skills only made my Proto Suits more bad ass.

I probably should reconsider rushing to the front lines to fight due to the cost of my Drop Suits but having to do that bothers me because I have lost a lot of matches due to my teammates not rushing the enemies and taking them down up close; I don't want to be a part of such a big reason why people lose matches.

The way I see it is if I play and win a match, I score first place with over 2000 WP, I get 25 kills, 13 assists, and I die 4 times (highest KDR of anyone on my team) I should never be negative on my ISK (unless of course I lose a crap load of ISK due to vehicles I call in being destroyed).

to avert the sniper 0 death bonus you could have isk calculated by damage dealt and taken addes together and then devided by deaths. It would push more people to take more risks as you would also get paid for takinv damage too.

I dunno man, if i'm let's say in the top 3 of a match (with a good score) you usualy get like 280-340k isk not considering the bonus, a full proto suit costs almost 200k and more, so even with the 10% bonus you'll earn between 308-374k isk so it's still very risky. the suits are just empty shells, the thing that really matters is what you put in those shells, so running a proto with just basic or adv stuff it's pointless, I can fit my adv suit with proto weapons and modules so why using a proto in public matches?

0 deaths would break the game as you can't decide by zero, and if you add one to the dividend, you would be penalizing everyone that has a death above 0.

I think the reason people are saying they are getting less ISK is because they are comparing games they got in from the VERY start (as in "Capture Null Cannon to destroy hostile MCC") to games that have already started, even if it is still in the beginning. Joining a game in progress neuters your ISK and SP rewards by really insane amounts. Join a game 1 minute in progress that will go another 12 minutes and get number 1 WP? Have 20% less ISK and SP you would have gotten from joining at the very start. Since this patch, I have noticed a lot of games that I have joined that are already in progress, far more than last patch. This could be the culprit but, again, we would need more evidence rather than just memory and intuition.

Ever since 1.9 dropped the amount of ISK I earn in a match has dramatically dropped.

I can win a match, place within the top 3 on the leaderboard with a high KDR and over 2000 WP and for some reason I can't earn an ISK amount that exceeds the 230,000 range.

Before 1.9 I could expect 320,000 to 390,000 on the matches I kick ass in. On the matches I do mediocre in I could expect around 220,000 to 280,000.

The current ISK payout amount is ridiculous and needs to be fixed.


I have an idea that I think would be nice. I would like it where if you lose a match you can get 10% of the ISK you spent in that match back on top of whatever the current ISK amount is you are earning simply for participating. If you win the match it would be nice if you could get back 50% of the total ISK amount you spent in the match.

I would also like it if there were an ISK bonus for those who play a full match without dieing (ISK amount relative to your KDR; going 0/0 should get you nothing, but going 10/0 should get you a bonus). I would also like it if there were an ISK bonus for every thousand WPs you earn in a match.



What do you people think?