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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:12:00 -
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Contact Gyn Wallace, he has a player run Dust<->EVE Transfer service he runs.
Edit: Zing. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=111070
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:23:00 -
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Countless people have used his service, feel free to ask around if you want confirmation.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:31:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
it used to be in game before but corps like goons and even solo entities flooded dust with BILLIONS of isk basically meaning they could afford to permarun proto and lose them and even after years they would not have run out of isk..
i am against dust isk and eve isk intermingleing at its current stage.
Lol wut? None of that ever happened.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:33:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
its not. i remember players moving massive amounts of isk into dust via corp wallets but ccp stepped in and wiped wallets... dust is in great need of another wallet wipe, personal and corp.. and give it a month and proto stomping may be much lower.
Yeah it lasted like, a day before they went in and stopped it and erased all traces of it, so it was non issue.
You don't actually read what people post do you? Current conversation services are not 1 to 1. Currently 1 Dust ISK is worth 5.5 EVE ISK, so you're looking at a 80+% conversion penalty when trading EVE ISK for DUST ISK.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:35:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
it used to be in game before but corps like goons and even solo entities flooded dust with BILLIONS of isk basically meaning they could afford to permarun proto and lose them and even after years they would not have run out of isk..
i am against dust isk and eve isk intermingleing at its current stage.
Lol wut? None of that ever happened. It did happen. Not on purpose at least. It was a miscoding on the part of CCP that accidentally flipped the switch on. CCP switched it off immediately after but it was too late. I was there.
And then they went in an cleared all transferred ISK and assets, so there was no trace of it.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:37:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
its not. i remember players moving massive amounts of isk into dust via corp wallets but ccp stepped in and wiped wallets... dust is in great need of another wallet wipe, personal and corp.. and give it a month and proto stomping may be much lower.
Yeah it lasted like, a day before they went in and stopped it and erased all traces of it, so it was non issue. You don't actually read what people post do you? Current conversation services are not 1 to 1. Currently 1 Dust ISK is worth 3-4 EVE ISK, so you're looking at a 75% conversion penalty when trading EVE ISK for DUST ISK. there will be people rich enough and have the means to transfer it themselves.
Ok you're not getting this. PEOPLE ALREADY DO THIS. They trade EVE ISK for Dust ISK. The transfer between the games is live and well. I'm CEO of the corp Gyn Wallace is in lol, I talk to him all the time, I'm very well aware of how much ISK is moved between the games. It happens every day, all the time.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
it used to be in game before but corps like goons and even solo entities flooded dust with BILLIONS of isk basically meaning they could afford to permarun proto and lose them and even after years they would not have run out of isk..
i am against dust isk and eve isk intermingleing at its current stage.
Lol wut? None of that ever happened. It did happen. Not on purpose at least. It was a miscoding on the part of CCP that accidentally flipped the switch on. CCP switched it off immediately after but it was too late. I was there. And then they went in an cleared all transferred ISK and assets, so there was no trace of it. Some of the players did try to be clever about it by turning all of their ISK into assets so that CCP won't be able to take away their ISK. But then CCP put those players into negative wallets spanning hundreds of millions of ISK.
Ah yes, that's right. They just subtracted the amount of ISK directly. You could keep the assets but were basically screwed if you wanted to buy anything.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:43:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:I understand the things you guys are saying....but why no bridge?
Ok...say no isk transfers. Fine. Why not let EVE pilots BUILD Dust gear? Think about it.
Get blueprint for Advanced rail rifle, invent it into Prototype variant....
Mine, manufacture dropsuits the same as ships...
EVEN IF there shouldn't be an ISK transfer...there should be some way besides dropping orbitals EVE pilots can assist Dust mercs and vice versa
The games of EVE and Dust are like an entire world and it shouldn't be impossible for one to help the other...its frustrating as crap, honestly.
Will never happen for Dust. Maybe Legion, hopefully.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:58:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Michael Epic wrote:I understand the things you guys are saying....but why no bridge?
Ok...say no isk transfers. Fine. Why not let EVE pilots BUILD Dust gear? Think about it.
Get blueprint for Advanced rail rifle, invent it into Prototype variant....
Mine, manufacture dropsuits the same as ships...
EVEN IF there shouldn't be an ISK transfer...there should be some way besides dropping orbitals EVE pilots can assist Dust mercs and vice versa
The games of EVE and Dust are like an entire world and it shouldn't be impossible for one to help the other...its frustrating as crap, honestly. Will never happen for Dust. Maybe Legion, hopefully. But we can buy dropsuits and weapons in EVE. What's the point of that? Is there some way to GIVE the assets to your Dust character? That would be wicked bad ass
Because of the issues spoken about in this thread. If an EVE player buys assets and transfers them to a Dust character, its basically the same as direct ISK transfer. Meaning you could buy A LOT more suits in EVE with the same time investment in Dust, thus creating an imbalance. Hell I fire volleys of missiles every couple seconds that cost more than most of my dropsuit fits. Even in manufacturing you have issues.
Take mining for example, in EVE you're mining at a rate where you gather materials to make a starship. The amount of materials needed to produce a dropsuit are infinitesimally smaller, which means the time needed to gather the materials and create it is also equally shorter. I mean when I mine Im gathering thousands of cubic meters worth of material every hour.... imagine how many dropsuits I could make with that material. And for what, an hour of mindless 'work'? Dust items simply cannot be made via traditional means without overly saturating Dust with assets.
Also that being said, Dust mercs make and spend so little money compared to what EVE players do, that even buying the items from them....they would make so little money that it wouldn't be worth their time to do so. So now you have a player run manufacturing system...that isn't lucrative to those making the items...so they wont do it. That being said, a traditional EVE manufacturing scheme simply isnGÇÖt compatible with Dust/Legion. There needs to be a significantly different way that these goods are produced for it work. So no, it's not impossible, but its far from easy or simple to do.
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