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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:23:00 -
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Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO. |
Ivy Zalinto
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
420
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:37:00 -
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Because eve isnt a universe where your supposed to get do-overs with your sp. Its actually a pretty fair price
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Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
454
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:39:00 -
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go make a few more bad choices in sp spending to justify the price.
That's what I did, but it wasn't intentional...
(._. )
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2932
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:41:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO.
It's $20 US (the cost a lot of games charge per month for a subscription). I can't support the idea that this is "unethical". If you can't afford it, that's fine. Don't blame a COMPANY for making money, though. That is kind of what their job is.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1366
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:47:00 -
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I don't mind it and $20 will cut the spam , people are suffering because the economy is now tied and all but .. if I couldn't and had to save to do it , I would .. at least you know by the time you have the money , you would have more SP's to use then you had before and if you were like me , you might not like what you did .. even if you know it was for the better and more along the lines of how you play and your style , so many changes at once is not helping me see that what I did was for the best because I'm not having the experience that I had when I had SP's everywhere and was more adaptive .
I can still cope but I can see it's not the same and actually harder for me but that's good .
I sacrificed a lot to get a lot in return but that was not to be expected immediately .
I think for one , that price makes one think about what their doing and to me .. that's good .
I already think that I made a mistake because of all the scouts that I see and thanks to CCP for the payout change .. that took balls to me but understand that even you understood that .. that was to much .
I do see a lot of people running PRO suits and I have a lot more ISK's then I would have normally .
People just don't understand that balance .
Even if this game is going to PC I still want the best because I have respect for you and your product and the community at large .
I guess I will be playing something else , wishing was playing Dust 514 .
Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4566
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:48:00 -
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The aurum and ISK cost are in place to prevent players from abusing the system. I'm not going to hold it against CCP for wanting to turn a profit... if $20 is too much just don't buy one. I'm willing to bet they will go on sale one day like boosters or aurum gear.
My advice to you, playa...
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
4635
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:49:00 -
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A lot of people wanted it to be higher, to further discourage it. Some people wanted it lower, because they wanted to buy it.
Respecs are a situation where it is not possible to make everyone happy. So it's somewhere in the middle. And extremely comparable to the pricing of other 'character services' sold by other MMOs.
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The Final Fantasy
DETHDEALERS RISE of LEGION
22
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Posted - 2014.11.06 19:43:00 -
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From a marketing point $20 is to much why discourage the player from buying if you decided to put it in the first place if ccp wanted money and I know they are desperately in needs for it (I'm looking at all the bpo, and omega boosters >_>) they would've lower the.price so it can be abuse. Ppl well spend more money on them knowing they're easily accessible not this overprice bpo of a value they have now |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
2394
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:17:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:A lot of people wanted it to be higher, to further discourage it. Some people wanted it lower, because they wanted to buy it.
Respecs are a situation where it is not possible to make everyone happy. So it's somewhere in the middle. And extremely comparable to the pricing of other 'character services' sold by other MMOs. This.
I actually thought it would be like 44k Aurum so that you couldn't *just* buy it for 20 dollars of Aurum. But the price of ~20 dollars doesn't surprise me. I think it is fair for what it does, though I do wish there were more ways for new players to get free respecs. The respec system will used by
Everyone, at first: I had WAYYY too much in Armor Fitting Optimization and still had Plasma Rifle from before there was Racial Parity with Light Weapons. I assume everyone else is in the boat where they have a huge amount of SP tied up in a terrible place.
Super Dedicated: "X has a 2% lead over Y. Respec to X, stay out of Y." It won't happen often but for those that want the slightest edge ALL THE TIME, I can see it happening. If there are metrics that shows where these people go to every time they mass respec, it will just get to balance faster.
New Players: This is the one I have a problem with. New players in CCP games screw up their SP massively. It is even easier to in DUST because you are given 500k to spend on whatever you want before you even know what is what. 2 months into the game and your 5 million SP is tied up in Prototype Turrets because you thought Tanks spawned on the map, you thought Dropsuit Command did something so it is level 5, and you have max Frames because you didn't know about Specializations at the time. These guys will pretty much have to respec. If the game had a proper tutorial, fine, but as is it's simply "haha, we didn't tell you about Skills! Pay us to get them back!"
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1316
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:38:00 -
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still waiting for epic cry thread about buying a respec and the new choice of FOTM doesn't work out for the OP
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
573
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:47:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO.
Honestly boyo cost is etical, 20euro/bucks is good prize and it will minimalize abusing of respec system. Low sp player is in same level like hi sp player if he want respec, end of story.
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
743
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:50:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I don't mind it and $20 will cut the spam , people are suffering because the economy is now tied and all but .. if I couldn't and had to save to do it , I would .. at least you know by the time you have the money , you would have more SP's to use then you had before and if you were like me , you might not like what you did .. even if you know it was for the better and more along the lines of how you play and your style , so many changes at once is not helping me see that what I did was for the best because I'm not having the experience that I had when I had SP's everywhere and was more adaptive .
I can still cope but I can see it's not the same and actually harder for me but that's good .
I sacrificed a lot to get a lot in return but that was not to be expected immediately .
I think for one , that price makes one think about what their doing and to me .. that's good .
I already think that I made a mistake because of all the scouts that I see and thanks to CCP for the payout change .. that took balls to me but understand that even you understood that .. that was too much .
I do see a lot of people running PRO suits and I have a lot more ISK's then I would have normally .
People just don't understand that balance .
Even if this game is going to PC I still want the best because I have respect for you and your product and the community at large .
I guess I will be playing something else , wishing was playing Dust 514 .
So after all your incessant whining for a respec (remember your old sig) and your uncountable threads complaining for a respec you finally get one and...
wait for it...
you're still not happy with it.
I could say I called it and that I told you so...
so I will! I told you so.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
743
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:55:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO.
Already complaining about it, eh?
You people will NEVER be satisfied.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
14924
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:13:00 -
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I always advocated for a free respec system with a permanent SP cost, but they chose this route.
$20 is fair, and I just grabbed one. if you're a low SP player you have little reason for a respec
(pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Bitter Vet extraordinaire
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1493
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:11:00 -
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Respec thread number #1086
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
622
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:15:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO.
Get good. Get a job. Get money.
It's the Monocle Club of DUST.
RL Leets.
Boycott Black Thursday!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17635
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:20:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO. Get good. Get a job. Get money. It's the Monocle Club of DUST. RL Leets.
I thought it was the entire quafe suit designer line from the exclusive gallentean fashionista Jene Sais Pas was our monocole, 120 bucks for the whole set
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1632
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:22:00 -
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most "harecore" fotm chasers already did sp resets and are now perfected for their FOTM roles and new FOTM roles.
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All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1632
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Why does it have to be so high? I get that you dont want ppl respeccing every week or whatever but for lower sp ppl the price is unethical. Why does it have to respec all of your skills? It would have been better and more ethical to put a respec option on each tree rather than pay 20 bucks to get all of your sp back. I want to spec ouf od vehicles but i dont want to spend all of that money just because i want to get out of one tree and then lose 20% of all of the isk i spent on every skill to just go back and rebuy most of them. I just feel that the price is unethical to low sp players IMO. Get good. Get a job. Get money. It's the Monocle Club of DUST. RL Leets. I thought it was the entire quafe suit designer line from the exclusive gallentean fashionista Jene Sais Pas was our monocole, 120 bucks for the whole set thats if you buy the whole set but we could buy them individually.. where as the monocle was 1 item for huge cost which only had a visual difference on your character of which is not even viable till they implement walking in stations..
where as BPOs in dust actually have a use and purpose
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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
195
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:27:00 -
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so did you guys read where i said itd be better if you could just buy the respec for certain trees or did everyone just glass over it? |
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.07 00:00:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I don't mind it and $20 will cut the spam , people are suffering because the economy is now tied and all but .. if I couldn't and had to save to do it , I would .. at least you know by the time you have the money , you would have more SP's to use then you had before and if you were like me , you might not like what you did .. even if you know it was for the better and more along the lines of how you play and your style , so many changes at once is not helping me see that what I did was for the best because I'm not having the experience that I had when I had SP's everywhere and was more adaptive .
I can still cope but I can see it's not the same and actually harder for me but that's good .
I sacrificed a lot to get a lot in return but that was not to be expected immediately .
I think for one , that price makes one think about what their doing and to me .. that's good .
I already think that I made a mistake because of all the scouts that I see and thanks to CCP for the payout change .. that took balls to me but understand that even you understood that .. that was too much .
I do see a lot of people running PRO suits and I have a lot more ISK's then I would have normally .
People just don't understand that balance .
Even if this game is going to PC I still want the best because I have respect for you and your product and the community at large .
I guess I will be playing something else , wishing was playing Dust 514 . So after all your incessant whining for a respec (remember your old sig) and your uncountable threads complaining for a respec you finally get one and... wait for it... you're still not happy with it. I could say I called it and that I told you so... so I will! I told you so. Good luck in your future endeavors. I am happy with it , can you see .?.. I have to adjust and I'm just talking about the change where I feel comfortable , I also spoke on how things have changed where you can clearly see a change to one mode of play ... don't regret anything that I did and for anything , that was money well spent in my mind because I was able to change a lot and made myself stronger in my role but I just don't feel comfortable in that fact as of yet .. that and the change into this scout infested run and gun COD play.
Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
746
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Posted - 2014.11.07 00:57:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I don't mind it and $20 will cut the spam , people are suffering because the economy is now tied and all but .. if I couldn't and had to save to do it , I would .. at least you know by the time you have the money , you would have more SP's to use then you had before and if you were like me , you might not like what you did .. even if you know it was for the better and more along the lines of how you play and your style , so many changes at once is not helping me see that what I did was for the best because I'm not having the experience that I had when I had SP's everywhere and was more adaptive .
I can still cope but I can see it's not the same and actually harder for me but that's good .
I sacrificed a lot to get a lot in return but that was not to be expected immediately .
I think for one , that price makes one think about what their doing and to me .. that's good .
I already think that I made a mistake because of all the scouts that I see and thanks to CCP for the payout change .. that took balls to me but understand that even you understood that .. that was too much .
I do see a lot of people running PRO suits and I have a lot more ISK's then I would have normally .
People just don't understand that balance .
Even if this game is going to PC I still want the best because I have respect for you and your product and the community at large .
I guess I will be playing something else , wishing was playing Dust 514 . So after all your incessant whining for a respec (remember your old sig) and your uncountable threads complaining for a respec you finally get one and... wait for it... you're still not happy with it. I could say I called it and that I told you so... so I will! I told you so. Good luck in your future endeavors. I am happy with it , can you see .?.. I have to adjust and I'm just talking about the change where I feel comfortable , I also spoke on how things have changed where you can clearly see a change to one mode of play ... don't regret anything that I did and for anything , that was money well spent in my mind because I was able to change a lot and made myself stronger in my role but I just don't feel comfortable in that fact as of yet .. that and the change into this scout infested run and gun COD play.
Shinobi,
I am going to be speaking frankly to you for a moment so gird your loins.
I understand you have issues. You have issues, I have issues, everyone has issues.
I hope the respec thing works out for you if that's what you needed. DUST needs everyone on board.
I am going to suggest something for you to explore. It may seem like blasphemy to you at first. But since you seem so sour lately I feel a prescription for Shinobi fun is in order.
Play as a scout for a bit.
There, I said it.
If you have to just light frame militia shotgun it, just try it.
It is a lot of fun. Not for kills because you will die. A lot.
It's just hella fun. I am concerned for your mental well being and happiness and I don't even really like you.
When someone offers you constructive advice and they don't even like you, consider taking it.
Signed,
A concerned friend (not really but yeah)
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1227
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:09:00 -
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Step in CCP's shoes for a moment. It's a company and it needs money to make the game survive
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.07 02:15:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I don't mind it and $20 will cut the spam , people are suffering because the economy is now tied and all but .. if I couldn't and had to save to do it , I would .. at least you know by the time you have the money , you would have more SP's to use then you had before and if you were like me , you might not like what you did .. even if you know it was for the better and more along the lines of how you play and your style , so many changes at once is not helping me see that what I did was for the best because I'm not having the experience that I had when I had SP's everywhere and was more adaptive .
I can still cope but I can see it's not the same and actually harder for me but that's good .
I sacrificed a lot to get a lot in return but that was not to be expected immediately .
I think for one , that price makes one think about what their doing and to me .. that's good .
I already think that I made a mistake because of all the scouts that I see and thanks to CCP for the payout change .. that took balls to me but understand that even you understood that .. that was too much .
I do see a lot of people running PRO suits and I have a lot more ISK's then I would have normally .
People just don't understand that balance .
Even if this game is going to PC I still want the best because I have respect for you and your product and the community at large .
I guess I will be playing something else , wishing was playing Dust 514 . So after all your incessant whining for a respec (remember your old sig) and your uncountable threads complaining for a respec you finally get one and... wait for it... you're still not happy with it. I could say I called it and that I told you so... so I will! I told you so. Good luck in your future endeavors. I am happy with it , can you see .?.. I have to adjust and I'm just talking about the change where I feel comfortable , I also spoke on how things have changed where you can clearly see a change to one mode of play ... don't regret anything that I did and for anything , that was money well spent in my mind because I was able to change a lot and made myself stronger in my role but I just don't feel comfortable in that fact as of yet .. that and the change into this scout infested run and gun COD play. Shinobi, I am going to be speaking frankly to you for a moment so gird your loins. I understand you have issues. You have issues, I have issues, everyone has issues. I hope the respec thing works out for you if that's what you needed. DUST needs everyone on board. I am going to suggest something for you to explore. It may seem like blasphemy to you at first. But since you seem so sour lately I feel a prescription for Shinobi fun is in order. Play as a scout for a bit. There, I said it. If you have to just light frame militia shotgun it, just try it. It is a lot of fun. Not for kills because you will die. A lot. It's just hella fun. I am concerned for your mental well being and happiness and I don't even really like you. When someone offers you constructive advice and they don't even like you, consider taking it. Signed, A concerned friend (not really but yeah) You seem to be misunderstanding me , how are you going to tell me what I mean by what I say , so now I'm going to misunderstand my own thoughts .. where you know my own mind better then me .?. I need to go smoke now because your trying to get me to second guess my own self .
That's a mind screw for ya .
Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1965
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:40:00 -
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If you have 60mil SP, do the reset, get your 80% isk refund from skillbooks, and spend it all on buying new skillbooks, how much extra ISK will you need to buy the 20% of skillbooks that the refund didn't cover?
Or to put it more simply, what is 20% of the ISK cost of buying 60mil SP worth of skillbooks?
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
520
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:10:00 -
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I have bought elite or veteran pack dont remember which had the dren bpo's, countles aurs boosters also much more. And only time i was upset bcause of prices and thinked ccp has ripped me off was when legion was annouced. And also every time ccp has give respec, i have been against it bcause A.it give vets too much advantage against blueberrys B.something new weapons or skills etc etc is installed in game, only right/fair thing would be that everybody grind those sp's needed to use those new skills. So dont complain about the price, whole damm aur respec should be removed from marketplace.
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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