DUST Search - [proposal] filling in the gaps with weapon variants.

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Got into a short brainstorm in the Learning Coalition, and a guy mentioned a breach laser rifle Shocked

he said it would act much like the normal LR, but would be the Amarrian Light AV.

Then we brainstormed a bit more, and i came up with using this idea for each race where applicable and filling in the gaps:

Caldari HMG: Forge Gun (burst), fires 3-9 rounds at about 300-450 RPM each dealing close to 200 to 400 damage, charge time is shorter than a Assault FG, has innate dispersion(about crouchfire HMG) and has 3-5 times more backup ammo than normal FG.

Minmatar Shotgun: Mass Driver(burst), fires 3-9 rounds at 1300 RPM, each dealing 200-120 direct damage, having 1.2m Splash(less than base flaylock) and 80 splash damage.
If firing 3 round bursts, keep it relatively deadcenter, if firing 9 rounds, make it spread more.
clipsize is 3 bursts(if 9, weapon has an OH bar, OHing on the 2nd burst about 6 rounds in) with backup ammo being close to 16 bursts.

Would this be something we(as a community) would be willing to accept, or am I being the usual "Oh dear god it's Lynn Beck the troller, ignore/rage him." Question

No. An caldari hmg would be like a larger magsec. Thats my prediction but it'll never happen

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Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2187	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:34:00 - [1] - Quote Got into a short brainstorm in the Learning Coalition, and a guy mentioned a breach laser rifle he said it would act much like the normal LR, but would be the Amarrian Light AV. Then we brainstormed a bit more, and i came up with using this idea for each race where applicable and filling in the gaps: Caldari HMG: Forge Gun (burst), fires 3-9 rounds at about 300-450 RPM each dealing close to 200 to 400 damage, charge time is shorter than a Assault FG, has innate dispersion(about crouchfire HMG) and has 3-5 times more backup ammo than normal FG. Minmatar Shotgun: Mass Driver(burst), fires 3-9 rounds at 1300 RPM, each dealing 200-120 direct damage, having 1.2m Splash(less than base flaylock) and 80 splash damage. If firing 3 round bursts, keep it relatively deadcenter, if firing 9 rounds, make it spread more. clipsize is 3 bursts(if 9, weapon has an OH bar, OHing on the 2nd burst about 6 rounds in) with backup ammo being close to 16 bursts. Would this be something we(as a community) would be willing to accept, or am I being the usual "Oh dear god it's Lynn Beck the troller, ignore/rage him." General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14229	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:44:00 - [2] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Got into a short brainstorm in the Learning Coalition, and a guy mentioned a breach laser rifle he said it would act much like the normal LR, but would be the Amarrian Light AV. Then we brainstormed a bit more, and i came up with using this idea for each race where applicable and filling in the gaps: Caldari HMG: Forge Gun (burst), fires 3-9 rounds at about 300-450 RPM each dealing close to 200 to 400 damage, charge time is shorter than a Assault FG, has innate dispersion(about crouchfire HMG) and has 3-5 times more backup ammo than normal FG. Minmatar Shotgun: Mass Driver(burst), fires 3-9 rounds at 1300 RPM, each dealing 200-120 direct damage, having 1.2m Splash(less than base flaylock) and 80 splash damage. If firing 3 round bursts, keep it relatively deadcenter, if firing 9 rounds, make it spread more. clipsize is 3 bursts(if 9, weapon has an OH bar, OHing on the 2nd burst about 6 rounds in) with backup ammo being close to 16 bursts. Would this be something we(as a community) would be willing to accept, or am I being the usual "Oh dear god it's Lynn Beck the troller, ignore/rage him." EWWWWWWWWW reusing in game assets to patch an issue that has arisen the lacking racial parity. Unfortunately this happens to be something I am rather passionate about.... While I appreciated the attempt to alleviate for the stresses and lack of content features I have to oppose the inclusion of half assed content features and band aid patch mentalities. The Minmatar and more so the Amarr have been under represented in this game for far too long, I feel that allowing CCP to "patch" the issue would be encouraging them be lazy in the development of the assets themselves that should have been included in the game. I see no reason why the Amarr and Minmatar players should expect or accept anything less than fair representation and attention to detail in those assets. CCP Rattati asked me himself the other day in his thread about FW racial fittings if I would prefer place holders or would wait for the real thing......and honestly personally I would rather wait for the real thing. However I genuinely can find no reason other than personal preference to oppose this. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2187	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:47:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah i do see your point, although personally i'd just like to see more variants, even if they don't stick to my above idea, so yeah i'd love to see a Burst Forge Gun, even if it's just a variant for AV only. Then the Burst MD, i'd still be fine seeing that perform no different than a MD with a 3shot burst, 6 shot clip and having reduced damage potential. Then again, some weapons are in DIRE need of variants(ion/bolt/magsec/flaylock, Scr/ACR/RR, Sniper(Burst Sniper?) and Swarms/Plc General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14229	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:53:00 - [4] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Yeah i do see your point, although personally i'd just like to see more variants, even if they don't stick to my above idea, so yeah i'd love to see a Burst Forge Gun, even if it's just a variant for AV only. Then the Burst MD, i'd still be fine seeing that perform no different than a MD with a 3shot burst, 6 shot clip and having reduced damage potential. Then again, some weapons are in DIRE need of variants(ion/bolt/magsec/flaylock, Scr/ACR/RR, Sniper(Burst Sniper?) and Swarms/Plc Do you think that they require precedence over parity? ((Not a loaded question or meant sarcastically.)) GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2187	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:07:00 - [5] - Quote hmm. considering they'd be easier to implement than fresh art/firing mechanics, i'd say they SHOULD be done first, but i would still prefer to see legitimate new weaponry. Did i pass? General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 797	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:24:00 - [6] - Quote Hmm, who was THAT GUY? Post in Feedback, I'm sure you can get some of the CPMs attention. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2189	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:27:00 - [7] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Hmm, who was THAT GUY? Post in Feedback, I'm sure you can get some of the CPMs attention. :P i just did that to keep my accomplices anonymous, don't want to spoil their image for "conspiring with the Lynn" General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1001	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:30:00 - [8] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Got into a short brainstorm in the Learning Coalition, and a guy mentioned a breach laser rifle he said it would act much like the normal LR, but would be the Amarrian Light AV. Then we brainstormed a bit more, and i came up with using this idea for each race where applicable and filling in the gaps: Caldari HMG: Forge Gun (burst), fires 3-9 rounds at about 300-450 RPM each dealing close to 200 to 400 damage, charge time is shorter than a Assault FG, has innate dispersion(about crouchfire HMG) and has 3-5 times more backup ammo than normal FG. Minmatar Shotgun: Mass Driver(burst), fires 3-9 rounds at 1300 RPM, each dealing 200-120 direct damage, having 1.2m Splash(less than base flaylock) and 80 splash damage. If firing 3 round bursts, keep it relatively deadcenter, if firing 9 rounds, make it spread more. clipsize is 3 bursts(if 9, weapon has an OH bar, OHing on the 2nd burst about 6 rounds in) with backup ammo being close to 16 bursts. Would this be something we(as a community) would be willing to accept, or am I being the usual "Oh dear god it's Lynn Beck the troller, ignore/rage him." No. An caldari hmg would be like a larger magsec. Thats my prediction but it'll never happen We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4431	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:31:00 - [9] - Quote I just want to shoot a tactical RR (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2189	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:17:00 - [10] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Got into a short brainstorm in the Learning Coalition, and a guy mentioned a breach laser rifle he said it would act much like the normal LR, but would be the Amarrian Light AV. Then we brainstormed a bit more, and i came up with using this idea for each race where applicable and filling in the gaps: Caldari HMG: Forge Gun (burst), fires 3-9 rounds at about 300-450 RPM each dealing close to 200 to 400 damage, charge time is shorter than a Assault FG, has innate dispersion(about crouchfire HMG) and has 3-5 times more backup ammo than normal FG. Minmatar Shotgun: Mass Driver(burst), fires 3-9 rounds at 1300 RPM, each dealing 200-120 direct damage, having 1.2m Splash(less than base flaylock) and 80 splash damage. If firing 3 round bursts, keep it relatively deadcenter, if firing 9 rounds, make it spread more. clipsize is 3 bursts(if 9, weapon has an OH bar, OHing on the 2nd burst about 6 rounds in) with backup ammo being close to 16 bursts. Would this be something we(as a community) would be willing to accept, or am I being the usual "Oh dear god it's Lynn Beck the troller, ignore/rage him." No. An caldari hmg would be like a larger magsec. Thats my prediction but it'll never happen If we were to have custom made assets and stuff- but the OP was about filling in those gaps(even in a terrible way) with existing racial weaponry. The Burst Forge Gun would still be a normal forge, but it would fire 3 rounds in rapid succession to almost/maybe give Cal Heavies their "long range heavy AI weapon". due to the potential spread, and the rapidfire capability, you could reliably snipe a Sentinel from 50-70 meters with all 3 shots hitting, but past that it would be AV only. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation

Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2189	Posted - 2014.11.06 05:17:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I just want to shoot a tactical RR As funny as that sounds(charge before each shot, re-press R1 before each shot) I'm not quite sure yet how that would work without being a Bolt Pistol with 12 rounds and 300+ damage a shot. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation


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