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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.11.03 20:55:00 -
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Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
119
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:06:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout
If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault? |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:08:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault?
Scouts = Better biotics, small hit boxes, capacity to visually cloak and fulfil assault roles, 2x equipment slots.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
1047
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:10:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault?
1. Cloak
2. Small target
3. Faster
4. Can hp stack a lot or semi stack with damps
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
119
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:15:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault? 1. Cloak 2. Small target 3. Faster 4. Can hp stack a lot or semi stack with damps
Fair point, however if the person is on scans then why would you need a cloak? You can see his direction and where he's facing. Same with damps, if someone is running a scanner for you then you'll see if the guy is rushing you and all you have to do is lob a core locus just as he turns the corner XD |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:15:00 -
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Good point. The Cloak will be easier to run than ever before.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5775
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:18:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault? 1. Cloak 2. Small target 3. Faster 4. Can hp stack a lot or semi stack with damps Fair point, however if the person is on scans then why would you need a cloak? You can see his direction and where he's facing. Same with damps, if someone is running a scanner for you then you'll see if the guy is rushing you and all you have to do is lob a core locus just as he turns the corner XD
The cloak lowers your profile so you can't be seen on the tacnet. The visual portion is practically useless.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
5395
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:23:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout
This is only partly accurate.
It will not really nerf slayer scouts.
It WILL nerf infiltrating hacker scouts that do not run with their pack and hack far flung objectives and CRUs.
Because apparently, we Minjas were super OP hackers.
Also, I am glad people are finally realizing this, even if it is a few days late and I have been screaming the same things on the forums for days.
1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
1047
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:25:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout If you don't need to run EWAR if someone else has scans like a gal logi then why bother with a scout when you could just run assault? 1. Cloak 2. Small target 3. Faster 4. Can hp stack a lot or semi stack with damps Fair point, however if the person is on scans then why would you need a cloak? You can see his direction and where he's facing. Same with damps, if someone is running a scanner for you then you'll see if the guy is rushing you and all you have to do is lob a core locus just as he turns the corner XD
Cloaks make it child's play to hide anywhere, damps won't show you on enemy scans. It is the perfect formula for "I can see everyone 24/7 and can't be seen by anyone".
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
1047
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:27:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Ari made an interesting point today on Skype. If scanner results will show up for the whole team, then how does the cloak receive a nerf? They will still be able to see everything while cloaked if someone on the team is scanning. In fact, if the scans are good enough then cloakers might as well drop range and precision enhancers and stack hp or other mods.
This all of course depends on how many people scan on a team and if the scans are sufficient enough to counter the cloak nerf.
Please be careful CCP - From an assault and non-cloaking scout This is only partly accurate. It will not really nerf slayer scouts. It WILL nerf infiltrating hacker scouts that do not run with their pack and hack far flung objectives and CRUs. Because apparently, we Minjas were super OP hackers. Also, I am glad people are finally realizing this, even if it is a few days late and I have been screaming the same things on the forums for days.
CCP owes me one isk, if I ever get it then I bet that 1 isk that this gets ignored too.
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
2511
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:32:00 -
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A scout is more undetectable than ever but also more reliant on the team. Like you said, whether or not a scout can perform well now depends on how heavily a team supports him/her. Better than being without weaknesses when running independently.
Your theory assumes everything TACNET says is true. But if enemy cloaked scouts get an 85% profile reduction bonus, then they're nigh unscannable, so assuming the enemies you see on the minimap are all the enemies in the area is a surefire way to get a pair of knives in your skull.
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Kaeru Nayiri
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:42:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:A scout is more undetectable than ever but also more reliant on the team. Like you said, whether or not a scout can perform well now depends on how heavily a team supports him/her. Better than being without weaknesses when running independently.
Your theory assumes everything TACNET says is true. But if enemy cloaked scouts get an 85% profile reduction bonus, then they're nigh unscannable, so assuming the enemies you see on the minimap are all the enemies in the area is a surefire way to get a pair of knives in your skull.
They are not getting an 85% dampening bonus. They are getting an 85% scan range reduction AS WELL AS whatever dampening bonuses are already in place. IE, 5% off for advanced and 10% off for prototype. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
2513
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:46:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
They are not getting an 85% dampening bonus. They are getting an 85% scan range reduction AS WELL AS whatever dampening bonuses are already in place. IE, 5% off for advanced and 10% off for prototype.
1.9 Patch Notes wrote:* An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile.
I interpreted that as their signature profile is reduced by 85% when cloaked, please advise if I am incorrect.
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