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TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 117	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote I like to use racial weapons on my suits as much as possible and I would love to fit the Magsec on my Caldari asault but it really has no advantages over the SMG and more specifically the breach SMG. The kick itself combined with the seemingly longer TTK just makes killing people a slugfest and by the time you have their shields down you then have that kick to deal with. On the other hand the breach SMG in particular as a lot less kick, higher mag size, no charge up time and what seems like more damage or a higher ROF which makes it a much better weapon than the Magsec. A way to buff I think would to outright increase the damage and lower the kick because right now, it isn't viable at all.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4389	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote Magsec can outrange and kill HMG sentinels. at 45m you can kill a sentinel in an shield tanked caldari suit from 100% to 0%. You have to get within the fatty's optimal to do the same with the standard SMG. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:53:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Magsec can outrange and kill HMG sentinels. at 45m you can kill a sentinel in an shield tanked caldari suit from 100% to 0%. You have to get within the fatty's optimal to do the same with the standard SMG. a heavy running around out in the open can be killed by all most anything. Magsec needs some love as it is still one of the worst sidearms.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4389	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:56:00 - [4] - Quote I've gotten some nice utility out of it. Buffing it isn't gonna make me cry though EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2014.11.03 19:12:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I've gotten some nice utility out of it. Buffing it isn't gonna make me cry though haveing a charge up time on a sidearm that you switch to in a gunfight seems to be a big drawback. take some of the kick out give it a reddot sight and a silencer and then its boss.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 118	Posted - 2014.11.03 20:31:00 - [6] - Quote CUSE WarLord wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I've gotten some nice utility out of it. Buffing it isn't gonna make me cry though haveing a charge up time on a sidearm that you switch to in a gunfight seems to be a big drawback. take some of the kick out give it a reddot sight and a silencer and then its boss. ^ also instead of killing heavies from 45m with a Magsec I'd obviously just pull out my RailRifle. I want a sidearm that is effective in CQC and racially correct. The only Caldari weapon that can do this is the bolt pistol. Get 1 shot on em and wipe their shields then finish with the rail.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5775	Posted - 2014.11.03 20:38:00 - [7] - Quote It already does better than the AR at range and had one of the best hip fire boxes out of any of the weapons in Dust. What more does it need? Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 118	Posted - 2014.11.03 20:42:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It already does better than the AR at range and had one of the best hip fire boxes out of any of the weapons in Dust. What more does it need? You have no idea how easy it is to out strafe the Magsec. Because of the charge up time they have to stop firing if you move around a corner because spamming shots just increase the recoil and then you'll have to reload. All they have to do is jump around like a headless chicken and they'll wreak you.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 475	Posted - 2014.11.03 20:47:00 - [9] - Quote I rarely ever see the magsec on the killfeed during a match. That may be an indication of it needing a change or it may be well-balanced and it's just not very popular. I would need to see some statistics to decide between these two situations.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 119	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:09:00 - [10] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: I rarely ever see the magsec on the killfeed during a match. That may be an indication of it needing a change or it may be well-balanced and it's just not very popular. I would need to see some statistics to decide between these two situations. It has no advantages to the SMG. Nuff said.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4415	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:34:00 - [11] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: Terry Webber wrote: I rarely ever see the magsec on the killfeed during a match. That may be an indication of it needing a change or it may be well-balanced and it's just not very popular. I would need to see some statistics to decide between these two situations. It has no advantages to the SMG. Nuff said. I disagree, but playstyle and opinion has more bearing on the argument than anything else, so pointless to try and convince you EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 621	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:55:00 - [12] - Quote Agreed it needs something. I think its ADS recoil could be reduced more, both min and max, but at least the max. It has good range but it tickles too much. It should be as devastating at range as the SMG is close up. An ADS recoil reduction would do it. To balance this buff its hipfire recoil could be increased (but not charge up time). Sound familiar? This worked well to balance the RR. Why not apply the same concept to the SMG that fills the exact same role among sidearms?
hfderrtgvcd 1071	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:06:00 - [13] - Quote I think halfing the charge time and reducing the kick a bit should be fine. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
G Felix 100	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:09:00 - [14] - Quote I have the Magsec to lvl 3 and have experimented with an array of fits, but have yet to find a situation where the Breach SMG or Scrambler Pistol variant don't outperform it. I really like the idea of the Magsec, and can see it's potential as a nice offset to high ROF shorter range primary weapons such as the HMG or AR, but as of yet it just doesn't seem to get the job done. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Ariadne Broadside Army of 420's 0	Posted - 2014.11.04 02:24:00 - [15] - Quote I have noticed that even using the Milita MagSec SMG, I can still kill Heavy's if ADS towards the upper body, Unless you have damage mods however I can see how underpowered this weapon is because in other loadouts without a sidearm bonus this weapon fails and I endup picking my battles carefully when switching to my backup
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.11.04 08:08:00 - [16] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: Terry Webber wrote: I rarely ever see the magsec on the killfeed during a match. That may be an indication of it needing a change or it may be well-balanced and it's just not very popular. I would need to see some statistics to decide between these two situations. It has no advantages to the SMG. Nuff said. I use it. I even have the BPO and get kills with it. Against smg, it's fine on a shield tanked caldari suit, because the smg will have trouble getting through you shields a bit than you will. And the range is great too. How pissed would you be to killed by a militia magsec?
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 160	Posted - 2014.11.04 11:53:00 - [17] - Quote I love the range on it, and it's very nice for hip-firing but the iron sights are horrible. And the fact that it has a has a scope and silencer and looks really badass in the fitting screen, but then doesn't in game really bugs me. It looks awesome so I spend the SP and put it on my suit, and get all excited - then I get in game and it's a stubby little thing without the attachments and looks wack. Then i'm sad.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 173	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:00:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Magsec can outrange and kill HMG sentinels. at 45m you can kill a sentinel in an shield tanked caldari suit from 100% to 0%. You have to get within the fatty's optimal to do the same with the standard SMG. This is true, with my Caldari Character is a Scout with Knifes & MagSMG, with a Flux to take out shields and the MagSMG to finish him off, good combo. Don't F**K with Gamers Angry Joe style
james jared Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:50:00 - [19] - Quote I find the magsec smg is good on HMG fits. Gives u the range to fight ppl that u cant reach with the short HMG range. I find my self running around with it out and switching to the HMG when some one gets close. The kick gets prity bad after a cuple seconds of straght fire. I think a decrease in ADS kick and it would be in a good place. No other side arm can be effective at range fights like the magsec smg but the charge up time makes it a bad gun to swich to when ur main runs out of ammo.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2630	Posted - 2014.11.04 18:24:00 - [20] - Quote The Magsec is a nice weapon when you lack a normal primary, such as using a Swarm or Forge, but when paired with any other primary it does seem to lack as it is more of a "substitute primary" then a "complementary secondary." "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 435	Posted - 2014.11.04 20:34:00 - [21] - Quote I would say the problem is the smg over preforms it is better close and at range because of its lack of recoil and for some reason has like no dispersion. The smaller barrel on the smg means it should have much more dispersion. The mag sec would then be the long range side full auto side arm while the smg would be a close range spray and pray as it should be. 21 day fast 12/1/14 Life-$
Bone Doc Commando Perkone Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.01.17 22:31:00 - [22] - Quote The Magsec is a nice weapon by numbers but in practice it's just bad compare to the breach SMG,I dont care how much range the magsec has, you cant kill anything accuracy close or far compare to other SMG variants to merit using it, from it's weak performance in hipfire cqc combat to the recoil at range while ADS with the iron sights being so erratic and obstructive. how to make it better: -Tighten the crosshairs more -Give it the holo scope it was meant to have as the nothing will be obstructive but a dot to aim.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2279	Posted - 2015.01.17 23:25:00 - [23] - Quote Beyond the longer range, which is worthless due to recoil and terrible ironsights, there is no reason to be using in in lieu of a Breach SMG. BrSMGs are easier to fit, have more DPS, much more Damage per mag, better sights, more controllable recoil/kick, and a better damage profile for sidearms (because sidearms are more likely to be used against armor than shields), and it doesn't have a spool up time which hampers its use as a weapon to pull out after shields are dropped. All in all, it ends up being a wash. The BrSMG is just superior for any and every occasion. Home at Last <3
Jathniel G I A N T 1439	Posted - 2015.01.18 17:31:00 - [24] - Quote The Magsec is garbage. I have to wait for it to spool up, just to get performance below that of a SMG? It has already been said, the Breach SMG is superior in every way. No firing delay. No ridiculous recoil. Sufficient range. When my primary weapon runs out, the SMG is plenty sufficient to kill fully shielded enemies until I reach a supply depot or find a nanohive. Rail weapons in general have too much kick, and that alone negates their range advantage. The Magsec smg needs to have its recoil greatly reduced, and it needs a weapon sight similar to the Bolt Pistol, and maybe, just MAYBE, it'll be more viable. Retired
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2015.01.18 18:36:00 - [25] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: I like to use racial weapons on my suits as much as possible and I would love to fit the Magsec on my Caldari asault but it really has no advantages over the SMG and more specifically the breach SMG. The kick itself combined with the seemingly longer TTK just makes killing people a slugfest and by the time you have their shields down you then have that kick to deal with. On the other hand the breach SMG in particular as a lot less kick, higher mag size, no charge up time and what seems like more damage or a higher ROF which makes it a much better weapon than the Magsec. A way to buff I think would to outright increase the damage and lower the kick because right now, it isn't viable at all. MagSec is poop, I support some tactical buffing
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2015.01.18 18:39:00 - [26] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Agreed it needs something. I think its ADS recoil could be reduced more, both min and max, but at least the max. It has good range but it tickles too much. It should be as devastating at range as the SMG is close up. An ADS recoil reduction would do it. To balance this buff its hipfire recoil could be increased (but not charge up time). Sound familiar? This worked well to balance the RR. Why not apply the same concept to the SMG that fills the exact same role among sidearms? It does sound familiar, it sounds just like the changes made to the rail rifle which is now used about as much as the MagSec. Maybe we should do something else :(
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2296	Posted - 2015.01.18 18:45:00 - [27] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Agreed it needs something. I think its ADS recoil could be reduced more, both min and max, but at least the max. It has good range but it tickles too much. It should be as devastating at range as the SMG is close up. An ADS recoil reduction would do it. To balance this buff its hipfire recoil could be increased (but not charge up time). Sound familiar? This worked well to balance the RR. Why not apply the same concept to the SMG that fills the exact same role among sidearms? It does sound familiar, it sounds just like the changes made to the rail rifle which is now used about as much as the MagSec. Maybe we should do something else :( The RR is far from being used "about as much as the MagSec". In fact, the RR is the second most used light weapon in the game, which is roughly a tie between the Shotgun, CR, and itself. The Magsec is the second least used sidearm in the game, only beating the Ion Pistol. Home at Last <3
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3560	Posted - 2015.01.18 21:14:00 - [28] - Quote Id like to see the MagSex be more viable. It really isn't very good right now. Perhaps making the CalAss bonus be towards reducing kick on racial weaponry would help it? Also, silencer? Makes the shots not make a sound as a variant...? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1653	Posted - 2015.01.18 22:25:00 - [29] - Quote Yea Magsec is pretty bad right now and why would you use it when you can use bulletmagnetism Bolt Pistol Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Jakkal Shoobah Y.A.M.A.H 46	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:00:00 - [30] - Quote Magsec is underwhelming with no skill. With all skills maxed out it is a baby assault rail rifle with less recoil. On a nova knife fit with sidearm damage mods the magsec becomes as potent as any rifle. In fact the magsec has roughly .1 extra damage on the AR with approximately 75% fire rate and some more range to work with. That. Magsec is a beautiful smg that is most effective mid range. Did some math. Triple damage mod kal magsec put out more than 50 damage per shot against armor. I couldn't imagine the wrath of the officer version in the right hands. If it doesn't seem as good as smgs that is because it is definitely harder to use in the regular oh **** I'm out of ammo let me switch to my side arm way.. It is more of a sidearm meant to be used as a primary on fits with primary's that are meant for particukar engagements. While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.

Ku Shala The Generals 1142	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:15:00 - [31] - Quote has almost no kick if you aim down sights its not a spray and pray gun none of the caldari weapons are *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Tiger Style


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